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asian_XL 05-26-2010 05:33 PM

The 12th Jump Happened, Another Foxconn Employee Death
 
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Another Foxconn employee, male worker, has committed suicide last night. This latest death comes just hours after Foxconn held a huge conference meeting with the press to clarify the suicide tragedy.
http://img.pics.livedoor.com/012/8/e...6a5d497-LL.png
http://micgadget.com/4280/the-12th-j...mployee-death/


:mad::mad:

raygunpk 05-26-2010 05:37 PM

nice link thats just a picture that shows nothing at all

ericthehalfbee 05-26-2010 05:55 PM

How is this even news? Based on the average number of suicides per 100,000 people, and the number of people that work at Foxconn, there should be even more suicides happening.

jtanner_ 05-26-2010 06:18 PM

Lol hyperlink fail

jackmeister 05-26-2010 06:20 PM

I bet they get all this press because they manufacture the iPhone and iPad.

This shit probably happens more often in other factories.

murd0c 05-26-2010 06:24 PM

here's a link I found

http://www.gadgetscape.org/2010/05/2...ed-translated/



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One group consists of university students like myself, who live in ivory towers and kept company by libraries and lake views. The other group works alongside steel machineries and large containers, all inside a factory of high-precision manufacturing environment. These guys always address their seniors as “laoban” (boss), and call their own colleagues — regardless of familiarity — the rude “diaomao” (pubic hair) in loud.

After going undercover in Foxconn for 28 days, I came back out. I’ve been trying to tie the two pictures together. But it’s very difficult. Even with people living in these two places sharing the same age, the same youth dream.

My undercover was part of Southern Weekend’s investigation on the then six Foxconn suicides. We soon found out that most of Southern Weekend’s reporters were rejected due to age — Foxconn only recruits people around the age of 20. In comparison, being just under 23 years old, I was quickly brought into Foxconn.

The 28-day undercover work made a strong impact on me. It wasn’t about finding out what they died for, but rather to learn how they lived.
Part one

Their most sumptuous day is the 10th each month — pay day. That day, all the ATMs and themed restaurants are packed with long lines, and consequently the ATMs are often drawn empty. The salary’s made up of the ¥900 ($132) local minimum wage and the variable overtime pay.

Each employee would sign a “voluntary overtime affidavit,” in order to waive the 36-hour legal limit on your monthly overtime hours. This isn’t a bad thing, though, as many workers think that only factories that offer more overtime are “good factories,” because “without overtime, you can hardly make a living.” For the workers desperate for making money, overtime is like “a pain that can breathe:” without it, the days without money make them “suffocate;” with it, the restless work would only add more “pain” to the body, thus aging quicker. Most of the time they staunchly choose the latter, but even the right to choose such isn’t available to all. Only those with the seniors’ “trust,” with good connections, or those in key positions, can often get to work overtime.

So, the “May 1st” [Labour Day] festival is a concern for some, because it’s “hard to boil through” the days when you spend money without making any. That day, workers would rather not celebrate any festival, and wish for more overtime pay; the reality is they can’t [choose], so might as well just have a lie-in.

In front of a newly-opened phone shop, the sales assistant flashed an iPhone to the Foxconn employees, with everyone focused on his every “cool” gesture, as if it was something new. But actually, Foxconn’s manufacturing covers almost every well-known brands’ gadgets, including the iPhone and the iPad, so every part of this “new” device would’ve come from the hands of these workers, except these guys had never thought of owning the final product. And now, this whole thing is right in front of their eyes with a “smashing price of ¥2,198 ($322)” — just above their monthly pay. This is an expensive device, so instead they discussed how to spend some hundred yuan on a shanzhai handset.

When chatting with them, I often struggled to respond, as I felt I was ridiculously fortunate. They actually envied those who could take a leave due to work injury, while casually joking about how their station’s been toxicated. When talking about their colleagues’ suicidal jumps, there was often a surprisingly calm reaction, and sometimes even a banter would be made about it, as if they were all outsiders.

I’m happy to see them as a bunch of optimistic and determined people, and I wish they really had nothing to do with these [suicides]. But whatever way you look at this, it’s inevitably sad. I even imagine possessing a power that can change everything, but this is like Wang Kezhu saying “I wish someone could give him [sic] a kick for a five minute break” during our night shift — so naïve, and it’s never going to happen.

Part two

If you ask the workers what their dream is, you’ll often get the same answer: start a business, make money, get rich, and then you can do whatever you want. In the warehouse, they humorously name their hydraulic trolleys “BMWs.” They, of course, would rather own actual BMWs, or at least “BMW” kind of wealth.

They often dream, but also repeatedly tearing apart their dreams, like a miserable painter who keeps tearing up his or her drafts, “if we keep working like this, we might as well quit dreaming for the rest of our lives.” They manufacture the world’s top electronic products, yet gathering their own fortune at the slowest possible pace. The office’s guest network account has a password that ends with “888″ — like many businessmen, they love this number, and they worship its phonetic equivalence ["rich"]. Little did they know that it’s their own hands protecting the country’s “8,” yet their overtime hours, lottery tickets, and even horse racing bets, struggle to find the “8″ that belongs to themselves.

The hard-working Wang Kezhu moaned that the salary was too low, but when he tried to apply for courses outside he “couldn’t understand a word,” so he gave up. He said without much knowledge, he could only get whatever job that came first, and that this was fate. Sometimes he’d say he’s got a big headache, but would quickly become alive again. When pulling trolleys he’d often run, as if the 24 boxes of goods weigh sod all. Every day he’d climb up two to three-meter tall box stacks to check inventory, and would squeeze into small gaps to check the labels. I asked him why push so hard, but he never answered, until one morning I saw him stopping in front of a pillar, and suddenly shouted “help!” He probably didn’t know what he’d just blurted out, either, but I heard the real souls. They’re used to putting in so much effort to make a change, until that effort became a struggle, and that they weren’t even sure if they had the power to break through the cocoon.

In the factory area, those neatly planned tall buildings had nothing special apart from their alphanumeric codes on the top. The machines, boxes and even the uniformed workers inside all bear the same pattern. One morning, on my way to work I saw two heads poking out of the buildings, just gazing at the pedestrians. Too far away, couldn’t see their expressions, nor could I hear them, just two black dots at the window. If stood in their positions, the road’s no doubt just full of moving black dots, so insignificant in comparison to the large white buildings.

Part three

This factory’s workers rule the world’s finest gadgets’ assembly lines with their two hands, and continuously break trading records that buzz the world, holding the Chinese export champion title for seven years non-stop. But it seems like while they’re controlling the machines, the machines also have them dominated: the parts gradually come together as they move up the assembly line; at the same time, the workers’ pure and only youth also disappear into the rhythmic machineries.

After using the toilet at 4am, I stuck my ear on the workshop corridor wall, and listened to the machines rumbling steadily from all four directions — this is the factory’s heartbeat. The employees work, walk and eat at this beat, so no wonder I was walking so fast, eating so quickly without anyone hurrying me, even though it didn’t feel good. You’re like a component that’s entered the assembly line, just following the rhythm, belonging to that heartbeat at 4am, no way to escape.

Shenzhen, a once small border town that leaped to one of Pearl River Delta’s busiest cities, hides a group of anxious young people behind row upon row of tall buildings. In 2009, Times magazine nominated “The Chinese Worker” as “Person of the Year,” praising its “determined vision shone on the future of mankind,”* but this so-called “determination” is needed to resist being mechanized and eroded by capitalism. Can they really avoid such “determination?” When computers, phones, cars, and all other commercial products become the products of capitalism, sweat, youth, and even life, all these values are exhausted by capitalism as well.

This super factory that holds some 400,000 people isn’t the “sweatshop” that most would imagine. It provides accommodation that reaches the scale of a medium-sized town, all smooth and orderly. Compared to others, the facilities here are well-equipped and superior, with employee treatment meeting standard specifications. Thousands of people flock here each day just to find a place of their own, to find a dream that they’ll probably never realize.

This isn’t a factory’s inside story, but the fate of a generation of workers.

StylinRed 05-26-2010 07:18 PM

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Wednesday night's Foxconn employee death was suicide: police
English.news.cn 2010-05-27 10:41:44 FeedbackPrintRSS

SHENZHEN, May 27 (Xinhua) -- An initial police investigation into the latest death at Foxconn Technology Group's Shenzhen plant on Wednesday night said the employee committed suicide, Shenzhen City police said Thursday.

The Public Security Bureau in Shenzhen said the deceased man, surnamed He, was 23 years old, single and from northwest China's Gansu Province. He began work at the plant on June 18 last year.

Policemen from Yousong police station rushed to the plant after receiving reports at about 11:20 p.m. Wednesday.

Witnesses saw the man jump from a balcony on the seventh floor of the C2 dormitory building at the plant, police said.

It was the 10th deaths by jumping from a building and the 12th such attempts at the plant this year. Two Foxconn employees survived their suicide attempts but sustained severe injuries.
http://www.revscene.net/forums/12th-...hlight=foxconn

10th death THIS YEAR and 12th attempt

The ceo was just on tv bsing

Vale46Rossi 05-26-2010 07:23 PM

They don't realize the more publicity they give them the more people will jump
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bengy 05-26-2010 07:28 PM

Foxconn doesn't realize the more people jump, the more negative publicity they will get.

asian_XL 05-26-2010 08:10 PM

^ they make great motherboards though.

It's not their corporate culture problem, just some twisted mainlander managers are treating the factory workers like slaves. It's good to hear the public security is now doing investigation, hopefully someone will get caught.

El Bastardo 05-26-2010 08:33 PM

The dream is to acquire material wealth and own BMWs?

What kind of bullshit is that? Its one thing to aspire to be comfortable or successful, but don't make it your full-on life goal.

Money is an invention of society. Its a fucking illusion. Its something these people are killing themselves over.

StylinRed 05-26-2010 08:42 PM

The chinese news was saying employees work over 12hrs/day and get paid 1000 Yuan/mth ($150CAD) thats the lowest paid jobs obviously there are higher rates and i think they said something about having to pay for their lodging @ the facility? wasn't really paying attention

PiuYi 05-26-2010 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by El Bastardo (Post 6966851)
The dream is to acquire material wealth and own BMWs?

What kind of bullshit is that? Its one thing to aspire to be comfortable or successful, but don't make it your full-on life goal.

Money is an invention of society. Its a fucking illusion. Its something these people are killing themselves over.


^ when you don't have money, money is everything

The_AK 05-26-2010 08:57 PM

They got to put a webcam or something up there, i bet it would get sooo many hits on-line, next thing you know you can sell ad space on the site with the webcam.

asian_XL 05-26-2010 09:53 PM

some unofficial news sites say there's a 13th jumper this morning.

ajax 05-26-2010 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by El Bastardo (Post 6966851)
The dream is to acquire material wealth and own BMWs?

What kind of bullshit is that? Its one thing to aspire to be comfortable or successful, but don't make it your full-on life goal.

Money is an invention of society. Its a fucking illusion. Its something these people are killing themselves over.

It's not neccessarily owning the BMW that's important to them. From where they stand they see it as once they can afford a BMW they can live comfortably and will be successful. The BMW is a measure of success to them because the one's who they see driving the BMW's are living extremely well off.

asian_XL 05-26-2010 10:01 PM

when you make only $200cdn a month and the Foxconn directors drive a 7 series, a $100,000cdn 3 series (that's the price a 3 series is selling in China) is really like a dream to them.

You are not Chinese, you will never understand that feeling.

El Bastardo 05-26-2010 10:06 PM

^^^^ I can accept that answer AznXL. I guess I don't understand that perspective because I've been lucky to grow up in a country where those types of luxuries are a little more accessable




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Originally Posted by PiuYi (Post 6966865)
^ when you don't have money, money is everything



I grew up with no money and didn't let an insatiable lust for wealth drive my actions. Sure I'll never go back to living in a trailer or ever eat garbage like head cheese again but I know the difference between greed and comfort.

Jackygor 05-26-2010 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by El Bastardo (Post 6966851)
The dream is to acquire material wealth and own BMWs?

What kind of bullshit is that? Its one thing to aspire to be comfortable or successful, but don't make it your full-on life goal.

Money is an invention of society. Its a fucking illusion. Its something these people are killing themselves over.

I would like to agree with you, but sadly I can't. When you know someone who commited suicide because of money, money becomes pretty fuck'n real.

Money, of course isn't everything, but without money, you can't do anything.

vafanculo 05-26-2010 11:09 PM

It's also not about money, it's also these guys are modern day slaves. You don't see walmart employees who make 8/hr commit suicide. Sure their 8/hr job makes
them poor, but they have the same rights as the rich person who pays their wage.
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raygunpk 05-26-2010 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by vafanculo (Post 6967089)
It's also not about money, it's also these guys are modern day slaves. You don't see walmart employees who make 8/hr commit suicide. Sure their 8/hr job makes
them poor, but they have the same rights as the rich person who pays their wage.
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that's cuz they're lowering prices everyday

http://www.uta.edu/huma/agger/fastca...smileyface.jpg

StylinRed 05-26-2010 11:33 PM

I don't think its fair to say these people are killing themselves over money... that's over simplifying the situation and that's also probably what the Foxconn CEO wants you to believe... it allows you to sort of dismiss the situation

These people are worked for 12-18hrs a day (18hrs came from the latest news report)

They have families wives, husbands, children, mothers, fathers to take care of (who they don't get to see)

They get a few hours to sleep, eat, etc. and they sleep @ the factory Dormitory

They are ridiculed and beat up by Foxconn security (as evidenced on several occasions)

To top it all off they are paid $5 a day


So to say its about Money that they're committing suicide is 1) unfair 2) very misleading

asian_XL 05-26-2010 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by vafanculo (Post 6967089)
It's also not about money, it's also these guys are modern day slaves. You don't see walmart employees who make 8/hr commit suicide. Sure their 8/hr job makes
them poor, but they have the same rights as the rich person who pays their wage.
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yeah, it's not about money. In fact, foxconn is paying workers over-time money and all the benefits

workers are accusing 1) long working hours 2) slavary working condition 3) pressure from the management 4) physical attacked by the managers.

goo3 05-26-2010 11:34 PM

guessing mindset's different when u have a social safety net and opportunity to make your first 10 grand incredibly easily

impactX 05-26-2010 11:39 PM

Who's still proud of using Apple products and who's using their iPhone to browse this thread? haha the irony.

Anyway, I wonder if this is a real suicide or another murder coverup, like that other Foxconn jumper who got stabbed before he/she jumped.


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