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The Turks must have a death wish. The Israeli Navy will get some good training in the coming weeks.
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Israelis are terrorists
Probably the most idiotic thing I've heard. Thanks for playing.
how is that idiotic? terrorist is really just a name one side call the other side when they take extreme measures and do selfish and destructive acts to achieve their goals.
Israel does just that. They would blatantly kill millions of innocent civilians in order to help their Zionist cause, in a grossly disproportionate level.
and if you really love your country, i suggest you start shutting up.
All your glorifying of the "mighty" israeli army and your ethnocentrism is only making everyone hate you and your people more.
Israel does just that. They would blatantly kill millions of innocent civilians in order to help their Zionist cause, in a grossly disproportionate level.
And what's the zionist cause? To eradicate Palestinians from the face of the earth?
how is that idiotic? terrorist is really just a name one side call the other side when they take extreme measures and do selfish and destructive acts to achieve their goals.
Israel does just that. They would blatantly kill millions of innocent civilians in order to help their Zionist cause, in a grossly disproportionate level.
and if you really love your country, i suggest you start shutting up.
All your glorifying of the "mighty" israeli army and your ethnocentrism is only making everyone hate you and your people more.
I'm not Israeli...anymore. Do you even know the meaning of Zionism, because clearly you don't. If Israel really wanted to they could take take over most of the middle-east - Syria, Lebanon, Jordon would be gone in weeks. They could kill millions with a few nuke strikes or just put Gaza out of their misery and carpet bomb that shit hole...if they wanted to. The only murders in that area are Hamas, Hezbollah and their supporters - Iran. It's sad, even pathetic, to see generation after generation of Arab lives lost due to this hatred of the Jews. Fact is and as much as you don't like it, Israel isn't going anywhere.
And what's the zionist cause? To eradicate Palestinians from the face of the earth?
I see the zionist cause simply as their people wanting a country of their own. And i believe they should have the right to do that. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the idea.
It is "how" they are doing it most people do not agree with.
I see the zionist cause simply as their people wanting a country of their own. And i believe they should have the right to do that. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the idea.
It is "how" they are doing it most people do not agree with.
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They already do have a country of their own.
They don't think its enough.. that's why they're occupying land and developing it
and slowly taking more and more (as with their "wall" which cuts through more land that isn't theirs)
Through their zionist ideals they committed terrorist acts (killed brits; palestinians; bombed restaurants etc etc everything we see terrorists do in present day they were doing in our grandparents/great grandparents era)
After they got the land they started throwing everyone out (christians, muslims, etc)... It even caused massive Hate/prejudices for their own Sephardic Jews..
(Its like immediately after the European Pure Race bullshit that caused so many of them to die; they adopted the same rhetoric... only in Israel; hell they attempted to develop an Ethnic Cleansing Weapon, which would kill many Jews as well)
And then there's the countless human rights violations since then to present day to 'defend' their ill-gotten country (along with acts to attain more parcels of land)
So yeah if Jews want a place to call their own... fine... it should have been in Europe but none of those guys were prepared to give anything up... so they chose a desert and it worked perfectly since the Jews consider that their land, based from their Religion.
But since they have Israel now how about trying to cope with the situation peacefully?? You have Nukes... you won't be attacked... Don't antagonize the extremists or go down to the tit-for-tat tactic (which many times they are the "tit")
You might say they have to defend themselves.... but again many times they are the cause (Israels attacks aren't always retaliatory, far from it). Don't occupy and encroach on land that hadn't already been defined as yours... (how do you expect someone not to attack you, or be driven to, when you decide you want to build an apartment in THEIR backyard. Or a WALL through their fram. or when you drop white phosphorus on them that melted through their childs body)
How do you justify to yourself; look at yourself; live happily; tell your children... what you did to get this land? and what you're doing to maintain and grab more land?
They try to make it seem like some story of disaster and heroism and if you're ignorant and gullible or just wanting to believe; then it might make sense and garner all your passion for the 'cause'.
But if your honest to yourself and investigative you'll find the atrocities abhorrent and lose any faith in anything you hear supporting that countries actions (valid or not)
And that's why there are many, many People, Jews, Israelis around the world who are against Israels actions.
FYI I'm well aware that not all Jews are Zionists and not all Zionists support the methods of their State.
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Why haven't we gotten any names / information of those who've been murdered??
hell we couldn't hear enough of "Neda" when she was killed in the fray of protesters in Iran
Netanyahu called the Flotilla group who Terrorists who were planning to enter Gaza and kill countless Israeli soldiers.. and said those who were murdered wanted to be martyrs... jesus christ...
I don't even know where to start with StylinRed's post. You are grossly misinformed.
When Israel was formed as a country they didn't kick anyone out. The only reason most of the Arabs left was because the leaders promised a quick and swift victory to "push the Jews into the sea". After the quick defeat those Arab leaders turned their back on the "Palestinians" in Gaza and the West Bank. The Arab world needs the Palestinian problem as a scapegoat and a reason to hate Israel. Do you honestly believe if Israel stopped their expansion into the West Bank and the Palestinians got their own state/country (which btw, was rejected by Arafat during the Camp David summits without a counter offer) that there would be peace between Israel and her neighbors?
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So yeah if Jews want a place to call their own... fine... it should have been in Europe
What does Europe have anything to do with this? Why not we just give them Eastern Canada instead? The Jewish homeland and Israel belongs where it is now.
They don't think its enough.. that's why they're occupying land and developing it
and slowly taking more and more (as with their "wall" which cuts through more land that isn't theirs)
Through their zionist ideals they committed terrorist acts (killed brits; palestinians; bombed restaurants etc etc everything we see terrorists do in present day they were doing in our grandparents/great grandparents era)
After they got the land they started throwing everyone out (christians, muslims, etc)... It even caused massive Hate/prejudices for their own Sephardic Jews..
(Its like immediately after the European Pure Race bullshit that caused so many of them to die; they adopted the same rhetoric... only in Israel; hell they attempted to develop an Ethnic Cleansing Weapon, which would kill many Jews as well)
And then there's the countless human rights violations since then to present day to 'defend' their ill-gotten country (along with acts to attain more parcels of land)
So yeah if Jews want a place to call their own... fine... it should have been in Europe but none of those guys were prepared to give anything up... so they chose a desert and it worked perfectly since the Jews consider that their land, based from their Religion.
But since they have Israel now how about trying to cope with the situation peacefully?? You have Nukes... you won't be attacked... Don't antagonize the extremists or go down to the tit-for-tat tactic (which many times they are the "tit")
You might say they have to defend themselves.... but again many times they are the cause (Israels attacks aren't always retaliatory, far from it). Don't occupy and encroach on land that hadn't already been defined as yours... (how do you expect someone not to attack you, or be driven to, when you decide you want to build an apartment in THEIR backyard. Or a WALL through their fram. or when you drop white phosphorus on them that melted through their childs body)
How do you justify to yourself; look at yourself; live happily; tell your children... what you did to get this land? and what you're doing to maintain and grab more land?
They try to make it seem like some story of disaster and heroism and if you're ignorant and gullible or just wanting to believe; then it might make sense and garner all your passion for the 'cause'.
But if your honest to yourself and investigative you'll find the atrocities abhorrent and lose any faith in anything you hear supporting that countries actions (valid or not)
And that's why there are many, many People, Jews, Israelis around the world who are against Israels actions.
FYI I'm well aware that not all Jews are Zionists and not all Zionists support the methods of their State.
/delirious rant
You actually don't know what you're talking about, at all. This all comes down to you being mad that Israel is stylin' on you
no point discussing whether isreal should exist or not, its a little late for that. but with regards to the attack on the flotilla i had a couple points to make.
1) given the scenario of a protest ship, why did they send in soldiers without less than lethal options, they had paintball guns and sidearms, no riot gear, tear gas, shields or batons? Imagine RCMP got hit by a rock or stick by some protestors during a riot, its not like come out with MP5's to mow them down. What kind of planning and tactics are they using here?
2) This is a turkish flagged ship, with mostly turks on board. I think given that turkey is the ONLY country in the region that israel is on good terms with they should use a bit more discretion when dealing with them and not just treat them like terrorsists. I dont see them doing the same thing to a US flagged ship full of americans. Turkey is a member of NATO and has one of the largest armies in the world, they are good to have as friends and i certainly wouldnt want to severely piss them off if i was isreal.
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What does Europe have anything to do with this? Why not we just give them Eastern Canada instead? The Jewish homeland and Israel belongs where it is now.
What does europe have to do with this?? you clearly have no clue...
But im not arguing about changing where Israel is now; Im saying fine Israel is where it is and what it is now, stop, lets move from that as it can't be changed and the rest was spelt out in my post
If you wanted to argue about where Israel is now being the Jewish Homeland would be to argue religion as the Jews claim to it is based on some thousands of year old story.
So A) we would have to accept religion B) we would have to accept the accuracy of your religion
And i'm not interested in that as I have no issue about where Israel is now as it cannot / should not be changed
Your saying the christians muslims arabs etc left the area which is now Israel of their own volition... and it had nothing to do with the violence and pressure enacted by the Jewish terror groups? (im not even speaking of the war in particular even though that resulted in a large exodus of the natives)
You're trying to dismiss it as a "tragedy of war"; just like how Israel dismisses all the civilian deaths when "targetting terrorists" but i can't accept that i'm sorry (and neither should you)
That would be like saying Saddam didn't kill kurds they just died of gas inhalation
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^^^^ wow... something must be wrong with that one because i dont think israelis are that stupid
Apparently the IDF had a "hit list" of people to target, capture? kill?
its supposedly just been reported in Turkish media and its hitting the blogs now (but all these blogs are referring to sources but not linking to them)
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Turkish sources and media revealed a document which shows that a death list had been prepared in advance by the Israelis, showing names and pictures of people on board of the ships to be murdered, who, according to Israel, were “involved in the International humanitarian aid for Gaza”. According to the Turkish sources, hundreds of Israeli soldiers stormed the blue Turkish ship “Marmara” flotilla and they had copies of the death list. The list included the names of civilians on the fleet who should be killed”. The document was apparently recovered after one of the Israeli soldiers lost it during the piracy act.
On another note Turkey says there are members of the flotilla who are Missing; they are not the ones who were killed and no word of their whereabouts are available
Netanyahu called the Flotilla group who Terrorists who were planning to enter Gaza and kill countless Israeli soldiers.. and said those who were murdered wanted to be martyrs... jesus christ...
love cbc at least they showed both sides but i'm not to keen on them using edited clips from Memri; but still the report was fair (netanyahu still called em terrorists though)
The commercial that started before i was like "lol wtf is this"
That gazan professor looks like Ahmadinejad with a fake beard
Your saying the christians muslims arabs etc left the area which is now Israel of their own volition... and it had nothing to do with the violence and pressure enacted by the Jewish terror groups? (im not even speaking of the war in particular even though that resulted in a large exodus of the natives)
You clearly have no sense of how powerful Israel's military is. Some of their in house technology is even more advanced than the Americans... including their fighter jet radar systems.
You clearly have no sense of how powerful Israel's military is. Some of their in house technology is even more advanced than the Americans... including their fighter jet radar systems.
I don't think you have a sense of numbers
Turkish Military
Fit for
military service 17,223,506 males, age 16-49 [2],
16,995,299 (2009 est.) females, age 16-49 [2]
Israel Military
226,903 males, age 17–49 (2000 est.),
1,192,319 females, age 17–49 (2000 est.)
The turks arn't riding around on camels with scimitars, and they have had several skirmishes with greek air force since the 50's.
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