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No matter what side she supports or who she was protesting against this person's death served no purpose and obviously left a hole in the lives of the people close to her.
Her life served no purpose, just like those scums and terrorists that run Hamas. She had the opportunity to do anything with her life, but she chose to die under a bulldozer. If that is her choice then so be it.
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Originally Posted by Noir
So if the intent was to deliver aid by breaching the blockade, then what are we arguing about?
did ye read the thread?? oO
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Originally Posted by ericthehalfbee
To all the people talking about the ship being boarded in international waters, I have a question.
What if Israel waited a few more hours until the ships were 100 metres inside the blockaded area and then proceeded to board the ships with the same results (people dying).
Would you say they had the right to do so, or would you have another reason to condemn their actions?
look 2 posts above yours... i know YOU didn't read the thread
Yes look what happens with protests in countries like Canada. When 420 protests happen in Vancouver do cops go arrest people because pot is illegal? No because they no better. Just because you are legally right could still mean you are wrong depending on what you do.
Also any country based on religion = fail.
They have every legal right to if they want to.
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Originally Posted by StylinRed
look 2 posts above yours... i know YOU didn't read the thread
I did read the thread. In all 7 pages, it only boils down to:
Pro Flotilla claiming blockades have no right to intercept a suspected vessel, vs. Pro-Israel claiming that blockades have every right to intercept a suspected vessel.
All this maelstrom of legality, historical backdrop, or moral justification are just community cards in your texas holdem. Whatever arguments you employ, the same kind and quality of an opposing nature is also used against you. Whatever sources or claims you discredit, so does the other side.
^^ except the other side is trying to discredit international law agreed upon by all states of the united nations and all maritime travelers
there is no justification in their pov
and i shouldn't say their; m!chael is the only one replying belka is just babbling like a mad man
Dude for real?
Gaza is blockaded, by Israel AND Egypt. Flotilla was about to breach the blockade. They were told to divert to Ashdod. They didn't. They were boarded, but attacked the soldiers. Some of the "peace" activists then died, because of their own stupidity. Not diverting the ship and attacking soldiers. It's that simple, it's their fault.
And to those who say that arabs in Gaza live an improvised and shitty life, you're idiots. You actually have no mind of your own and believe what any half wit with a megaphone says. Especially you Majin, you're a mindless sheep.
These photos are from Palestine today, it's a palestinian newspaper. The pictures are from Gaza. They are from December, not too long ago and while Gaza was still under the same blockade it is under today. Sure doesn't look like they are lacking anything. http://www.paltoday.ps/arabic/News-64161.html
This is also a nice article in the wall street journal written by a guy who went to the West Bank to witness this "Harsh" life they have.
Also, the aid on the ship was found to be mostly useless. Things such as expired medicine and old materials. These are things that Gaza has plenty of. So why did they insist on bringing it to Gaza. It is obvious that it was a provocation, and they got what they wanted.
This the first time I'll have to throw an insult but what a retard.
So you're saying the validity of a blockade changes depending on the gravity of contraband?
So nukes are okay, but you think if the rockets are primitive, or if it were only a shipment of AK-47s, or just a containership of cocaine, you don't think those items of contraband should be justifiable of a blockade. Or maybe you're just seeing a difference because it's inconvenient in your villification of Israel?
Cuban Missile Crisis = Cold War = A stalemate of an undeclared war between the world's two most powerful countries.
I would say that a naval blockade by the USA was justified, despite the fact that it might have been in International Waters.
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Originally Posted by m!chael
Fucking greeks, still fucking up the EU. Why don't you guys just get your shit together and stop destroying an entire continent's prospects of recovery.
By the way, I have a country, so Zionism won. Suck on this you dirty anti-semite in disguise.
Holy fuck, dude. I grew up in a family where half of my extended family was/is Jewish and they would smack you down if they heard you talk shit like that. It's idiots like you that talk absolute crap like that which make people wonder if it's even worth backing up Israel if the Arabs decided to take another crack at invading their country. My mom's dad would be rolling around in his grave wondering why he didn't shoot more of those "Dirty Jews" (he was a German Nazi) and my dad's mom would be tossing in her grave wondering why some fellow Jewish mother didn't teach her kid some more respect (she was an Austrian Jew).
Seriously, I applaud the fact that you're simply trying to defend Israel, but you're going about it the entirely wrong way. I suggest you take a deep breath before you continue on in this thread...
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the IDF admitted to doctoring radio transmissions from the mavi marmara that aired them spouting anti-semite/agreesive language
they issued a "clarification" but in that clarification admitted to editing and also they classified transmissions as to have been transmitted by the mavi marmara but in the correction stated they actually don't know where the transmissions came from exactly
sooo not only did they edit transmissions they blamed the Mavi Marmara for those transmissions and admitted they have no idea which ship it came from.. (maybe it came from their own ship)
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And to those who say that arabs in Gaza live an improvised and shitty life, you're idiots. You actually have no mind of your own and believe what any half wit with a megaphone says. Especially you Majin, you're a mindless sheep.
These photos are from Palestine today, it's a palestinian newspaper. The pictures are from Gaza. They are from December, not too long ago and while Gaza was still under the same blockade it is under today. Sure doesn't look like they are lacking anything. http://www.paltoday.ps/arabic/News-64161.html
The Egypt Gaza border was open for almost 3 months prior to these photos so its no surprise they were able to stockpile supplies / smuggle in what isnt allowed etc etc
not to mention what they're able to get in through tunnels (which i dont agree with but i can understand why they need them)
Your remark is like Hitler or the Nazis saying "look the Ghettos are doing very well, the world's disagreement is ridiculous"
Cuban Missile Crisis = Cold War = A stalemate of an undeclared war between the world's two most powerful countries.
I would say that a naval blockade by the USA was justified, despite the fact that it might have been in International Waters.
Holy fuck, dude. I grew up in a family where half of my extended family was/is Jewish and they would smack you down if they heard you talk shit like that. It's idiots like you that talk absolute crap like that which make people wonder if it's even worth backing up Israel if the Arabs decided to take another crack at invading their country. My mom's dad would be rolling around in his grave wondering why he didn't shoot more of those "Dirty Jews" (he was a German Nazi) and my dad's mom would be tossing in her grave wondering why some fellow Jewish mother didn't teach her kid some more respect.
Seriously, I applaud the fact that you're simply trying to defend Israel, but you're going about it the entirely wrong way. I suggest you take a deep breath before you continue on in this thread...
Listen. In regards to the first sentence, obviously Greece isn't responsible for the whole mess, but I merely said that to show how silly he is being. "Fuck zionists," are you kidding me? Obviously everyone is entitled to their own opinions but it's not black and white like that, and I could do the same back to him. Except when I do it your dad's mom rolls in her grave. Give me a break. It's unfortunate that you think so, and it's unfortunate that they have passed away, but I could care less about it. It's kind of annoying how you throw fact that you have jewish and nazi heritage at me as if it gives you some sort of a special status.
And I know you're saying I'm going about it the wrong way, but listen I've posted up some excellent material and even a pretty lengthy piece, which Stylinbrah didn't want to read because it was "too long." Instead he'll post up some stupid propaganda which the rest of the idiots will eat up. But anyways, You're right. I lost my cool there because I got frustrated and I'll tone it down.
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Originally Posted by StylinRed
The Egypt Gaza border was open for almost 3 months prior to these photos so its no surprise they were able to stockpile supplies / smuggle in what isnt allowed etc etc
not to mention what they're able to get in through tunnels (which i dont agree with but i can understand why they need them)
Your remark is like Hitler or the Nazis saying "look the Ghettos are doing very well, the world's disagreement is ridiculous"
Obviously residents in Gaza don't have a perfect life. They're under the rule of a crazy terrorist organization that would rather invest in rockets than education and they are under a blockade meant to suffocate that group. Believe me brah It's not as if I don't acknowledge their hardships, I am simply stating that when you think of Gaza you shouldn't think of little kids starving to death like in those African aid commercials. People there aren't dying of starvation and they actually do carry on a somewhat normal life. They even just opened their first olympic sized pool lol
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Originally Posted by mikemhg
Michael you're the reason why so many folks get extremely angry at hate filled Jews such as yourself.
No one is being an Anti-Semite, stop throwing that ridiculous term around as a strawman.
Your points are about as Pro-Israeli I have ever seen, without an once of truth in the crap you're posting.
Either way, shots were fired before the troops even boarded the ship, this is cooborated by various News Outlets.
And you posting a link to pictures of a market in Gaza as an example that everything is OK?
Wow, buddy I'm starting to wonder if you're a troll.
1. Hate is a strong word, I was somewhat frustrated but I don't hate anyone, and I hope no one hates me over an internet argument lol
2. I called one guy, out of many that I argued with, an anti-semite. I don't throw that term around at all as a strawman. If you notice it was just directed at Majin because I truely believe he is one. Thats my opinion of him though. I did not use that term as a way to detract from the actual main argument in the thread. After using the term, I continued to post things and debate with stylingbrah. I understand you learned the term strawman and while being really proud of yourself decided to use it but I don't think it belongs here.
3. Various news outlets use the "peace" activists' testimonials and report that. Various other news outlets use the idf version, which to me seems much more likely. One of the videos on youtube shows the soldiers dropping onto the ship, and all the activists are there waiting for them with weapons. If there were shots fired from the helicopters at the activists as the soldiers were coming down, I can't imagine the activists would have stuck there in groups waiting for the soldiers to come down. Neither did I see any activists dropping to the ground after being shot while the soldiers were just boarding their ship. I'm not a detective though so you could just look at the videos yourself and try to deduce that shit.
4. I posted the pictures from the market to show that its not the end of the fucking world there. There aren't thousands of people starving to death there every day as some people make it seem.
But they don't because they are smarter than that. We have a 7 page post on RS not because Israel was right or wrong but because they were stupid.
Don't kid yourself. That's a logistics issue, not a moral issue where the police force actually believe in freedom of smoking marijuana.
The VPD doesn't have the man power to arrest a congregation of 420 celebrators and that's why the law is not enforced. The IDF however, has the resources to enforce a blockade. So tough shit.
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Originally Posted by Lomac
Cuban Missile Crisis = Cold War = A stalemate of an undeclared war between the world's two most powerful countries.
I would say that a naval blockade by the USA was justified, despite the fact that it might have been in International Waters.
Same shit, different pile IMO.
The only difference being that the Cuban Missile Crisis has a closer impact on us territorially but Hamas the rockets don't.
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Originally Posted by StylinRed
^^ except the other side is trying to discredit international law agreed upon by all states of the united nations and all maritime travelers
there is no justification in their pov
and i shouldn't say their; m!chael is the only one replying belka is just babbling like a mad man
I wish you could just take a step back and realize that you're exactly the same time of person that you hate the most. Neither you nor M!chael are above one another as both of sound the same on different side of the fence.
* Speaks againts your opposition with such righteous conviction.
* Both believe that you have legal justification in both your own interpretation.
* Both believe that historically, you are the wronged party.
* Both discredit each others claims and arguments as false.
You can keep ranting over and over that: "im right, your wrong, im right, your wrong" but you're just too narrow to see that he's doing exactly the same thing as you.
^^^ There's only 2 ways to interpret that line of the law.... the right way and the wrong way.
the language is quite clear and precise it makes no indication of intervening before a blockade is breached...
This is an argument of semantics. You're speaking that you think a vessel may only be boarded had the vessel breached a geographical line set by the blockade. The others are saying that a vessel may be boarded when it's not responding to directions to divert or alter course from the blockade.
The reason why it's so hard to argue semantics is because I've seen both sides argue the strict verbal translation of the law, and the loose translation of the law. It's as if both sides employ the same strategic argument based on which is more convenient for their cause.
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Originally Posted by StylinRed
You'd like to point out the obvious that this is going back and forth... but what sort of argument doesnt?
or are you trying to say "you should both shut up cuz its going nowhere" well i'd have to disagree
And I thought you said you weren't heavliy invested in this conflict.
Her life served no purpose, just like those scums and terrorists that run Hamas.
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Originally Posted by belka
I guess you are just as dumb as she is...was. Go play in traffic.
how about you show a little respect? think about how her friends and family would feel reading your comments? She died protecting what she believed in, in a peaceful way.
People like you are the reasons why there are Anti-Semitic
We share the land peacefully with the natives, acknowledge and support their culture, and provide them with social programs which most regular citizens don't have access to.
Her life served no purpose, just like those scums and terrorists that run Hamas. She had the opportunity to do anything with her life, but she chose to die under a bulldozer. If that is her choice then so be it.
Your mother's life serves no purpose to me. To me she is as good as a child molester or a racist. She could've become a doctor, a scientist, or a social activist and changed the world for the better. Instead she bore an ignorant child. It was her choice not to abort you (clearly the whore made the wrong choice) and for that I wish her a long horrible painful death as the result of some fatal illness.
Because as Canadians, we are occupying NATIVE land.
What if "Canadians" weren't here and the "Natives" still had control over the entire territory, would Canada still be the same Canada, economically, agriculturally and technologically as it is today?
If Israel wasn't there and was owned by Egypt, Jordon or Lebanon, would any of those countries be able to cover what Israel has developed (technologically) on that small strip of land? The Arabs haven't done much with what they have now...except supply the world with oil.
Holy fuck, dude. I grew up in a family where half of my extended family was/is Jewish and they would smack you down if they heard you talk shit like that. It's idiots like you that talk absolute crap like that which make people wonder if it's even worth backing up Israel if the Arabs decided to take another crack at invading their country. My mom's dad would be rolling around in his grave wondering why he didn't shoot more of those "Dirty Jews" (he was a German Nazi) and my dad's mom would be tossing in her grave wondering why some fellow Jewish mother didn't teach her kid some more respect (she was an Austrian Jew).
Invisible sky daddies commanding people to do shit is just so beyond retarded, I feel like punching myself in the balls until I shit my computer chair.
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4 years ago, I pulled up to burger king, and asked to get a teen burger. I realized after the 3rd time i said it, I was in the wrong fucking place.
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