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taylor192 07-12-2010 12:28 PM

List of placing overcharging after HST
 
Please keep this thread clean, any opinions on the HST can be said in the numerous HST threads. Moderators, can you please delete any posts that don't stay on topic. (and please edit the title, damn Firefox spelling autocorrect :()

This thread is a list of places that are charging more than the extra 7% or 12%. Here is a link to compare what the increase should be: http://hst.blog.gov.bc.ca/wp-content...T_List_v04.pdf

My first example is Quiznos:
A large Honey Bacon Club combo (chips and drink) used to be $9.95 taxes inc.
The same meal was $11.17 today.

That is a 12% increase, not a 7% increase. GST was charged on restaurant meals previously.

gdoh 07-12-2010 12:37 PM

xl black coffee and muffin from TH

before - 2.96 tax incl.
after - 3.16 tax incl.

murd0c 07-12-2010 12:40 PM

Churches chicken poco 2 spicey chicken burgers 10.08 now its 10.77
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Boostaholic 07-12-2010 12:40 PM

I heard many restaurants had to raise their price because their cost of operation had increased, but i'm not sure how accurate those statements are.

q0192837465 07-12-2010 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boostaholic (Post 7025661)
I heard many restaurants had to raise their price because their cost of operation had increased, but i'm not sure how accurate those statements are.

That's bullshit. Cost will decrease for business owners after HST. Don't let them sucker you into thinking that.

Speaking of HST. I had an argument with my gf the other day because I refused to pay 10% tips. My gf insisted that I'm punishing the owner by paying less tips. I said since they can claim 12% (vs 5% from before), they cost actually got lowered. If we pay the usual 10% tips, they get more money both from government AND consumers. Needless to say my gf didnt buy it.

Ferra 07-12-2010 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boostaholic (Post 7025661)
I heard many restaurants had to raise their price because their cost of operation had increased, but i'm not sure how accurate those statements are.

Cost of operations should've decreased for businesses.

for example, a $10,000+GST/PST equipment used to have net cost of $10,700 (10K+PST), after HST, their net cost is only $10,000 (7% less), since GST&HST are refundable for businesses.

Greenstoner 07-12-2010 12:56 PM

burger king, king deal meal - 4.89 or seomthing like that tax incld. (5bucks, u get change back)

after hst was $5.11 or something

taylor192 07-12-2010 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by murd0c (Post 7025660)
Churches chicken poco 2 spicey chicken burgers 10.08 now its 10.77

That is a 7% increase and is NOT overcharging. GST was charged before, so 7% increase is expected.

Perhaps people misunderstood the purpose of this thread.

taylor192 07-12-2010 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenstoner (Post 7025674)
burger king, king deal meal - 4.89 or seomthing like that tax incld. (5bucks, u get change back)

after hst was $5.11 or something

That's not even a 7% increase!

Come on people. This is about places OVERCHARGING, ie including extra costs above and beyond the additional HST.

murd0c 07-12-2010 12:59 PM

Whoops my bad LOL
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taylor192 07-12-2010 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gdoh (Post 7025658)
xl black coffee and muffin from TH

before - 2.96 tax incl.
after - 3.16 tax incl.

That is a 7% increase, not overcharging.

taylor192 07-12-2010 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boostaholic (Post 7025661)
I heard many restaurants had to raise their price because their cost of operation had increased, but i'm not sure how accurate those statements are.

There's a HST thread to discuss this. GTFO! :p

Gumby 07-12-2010 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by taylor192 (Post 7025643)
My first example is Quiznos:
A large Honey Bacon Club combo (chips and drink) used to be $9.95 taxes inc.
The same meal was $11.17 today.

That is a 12% increase, not a 7% increase. GST was charged on restaurant meals previously.

How do you know Quizno didn't increase the before-tax price of their combo?

Sure, their costs might have lowered with the introduction of HST, but nobody said businesses have to pass those savings on to the customer...

winson604 07-12-2010 01:15 PM

Now I don't know if this is really on topic but I went to Pho Hoa out of desperation the other day and when I went to pay it was $8.96 for 1 bowl of large Tai Bo Vien. In my mind I was like holy crap did you guys raise your prices on top of HST or what? Even the most expensive pho for a large is usually like $6something maybe $7 flat.

taylor192 07-12-2010 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gumby (Post 7025693)
How do you know Quizno didn't increase the before-tax price of their combo?

My math proves they did increase the before tax price. Duh.

$9.95 inc 5% GST == $9.48 before tax
$11.17 inc 12% HST == $9.97 before tax

Thus Quiznos added a $0.50 increase hoping most dumb customers would just blame it on the HST. Considering the responses thus far showcasing lack of math skill, I think there'll be a lot of businesses taking advantage of math dumb customers.

Greenstoner 07-12-2010 01:32 PM

gdoh's first responses caused a chaos failure in this thread

lol

penner2k 07-12-2010 01:37 PM

Its sorta funny watching the anti hst ppl on tv talking about how everything is gonna be more expensive. They start listing stuff that had both pst and gst before anyways so the prices should be the same..

Domani 07-12-2010 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by q0192837465 (Post 7025663)
That's bullshit. Cost will decrease for business owners after HST. Don't let them sucker you into thinking that.

Speaking of HST. I had an argument with my gf the other day because I refused to pay 10% tips. My gf insisted that I'm punishing the owner by paying less tips. I said since they can claim 12% (vs 5% from before), they cost actually got lowered. If we pay the usual 10% tips, they get more money both from government AND consumers. Needless to say my gf didnt buy it.

i hope the restaurant you went was an asian one not a western one where your
server kept the tips?

Manic! 07-12-2010 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gumby (Post 7025693)
How do you know Quizno didn't increase the before-tax price of their combo?

My cousin owns a Quizno's and was telling me they were not making enough money on the Honey club so after complaining to corporate for months they finally increased the price. This was a few weeks before HST came into affect.

taylor192 07-12-2010 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 7025746)
My cousin owns a Quizno's and was telling me they were not making enough money on the Honey club so after complaining to corporate for months they finally increased the price. This was a few weeks before HST came into affect.

Interesting. I haven't gotten it in a few weeks, so that might explain it. It was the best value sub, lots of meat for a low price.

q0192837465 07-12-2010 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Domani (Post 7025721)
i hope the restaurant you went was an asian one not a western one where your
server kept the tips?

Correct, Asian restaurant where tips r distributed.

Well, McD jacked up their pre-tax price by 30 cents, but I dunno if it has to do with HST or just inflation.

InvisibleSoul 07-12-2010 02:58 PM

This thread is full of fail.

!LittleDragon 07-12-2010 03:35 PM

Shell at 49th and Kerr

Pack of smokes prior to HST = less than $10
Pack of smokes after HST = $11.19

Gumby 07-12-2010 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by taylor192 (Post 7025704)
My math proves they did increase the before tax price. Duh.

$9.95 inc 5% GST == $9.48 before tax
$11.17 inc 12% HST == $9.97 before tax

Thus Quiznos added a $0.50 increase hoping most dumb customers would just blame it on the HST. Considering the responses thus far showcasing lack of math skill, I think there'll be a lot of businesses taking advantage of math dumb customers.

Ahh ok - I thought you were implying that businesses were charging more than 12% tax (assuming the before-tax price was unchanged).

Example:
June 30: $9.48 + 5% GST = $9.95
July 1: $9.48 + more than just 12% tax = $11.17

I think you should edit your original post and say something like "places that raised prices post-HST".

Mr.HappySilp 07-12-2010 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by q0192837465 (Post 7025663)
That's bullshit. Cost will decrease for business owners after HST. Don't let them sucker you into thinking that.

Speaking of HST. I had an argument with my gf the other day because I refused to pay 10% tips. My gf insisted that I'm punishing the owner by paying less tips. I said since they can claim 12% (vs 5% from before), they cost actually got lowered. If we pay the usual 10% tips, they get more money both from government AND consumers. Needless to say my gf didnt buy it.

What people should do is pay tips according to the amount before the tax. Say the meal is 10 so after tax is like 11.20 so if you want to pay 10% tip u only need to pay $1 not $1.12(close to it anyways). So the amount of tips you pay should stay the same.


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