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sp00n_oo7 08-13-2010 12:13 AM

They are here!!

http://www.news1130.com/news/nationa...ant-ship-toews

ImportPsycho 08-13-2010 12:24 AM

treat them and send them back
I'll puke if they are allowed to stay
this kind of shit only creates more hate crimes
rednecks already think all none whites are refugees

achiam 08-13-2010 12:30 AM

'ATTA BOY!

Public Safety Minister Vic Toews labelled some of the 490 passengers on the ship "human smugglers and terrorists," although he didn’t elaborate. He used the ship's arrival to promise swift action from Ottawa.
"Human smuggling, illegal migration or any other abuses of Canada’s immigration system can not and will not be tolerated," he said in a statement issued early Friday.
Toews called the arrival an "unacceptable abuse of international law and Canadian generosity," adding Canadian officials "will look at all available options to strengthen our laws" to address the matter.
He earlier said "human smugglers and human traffickers are now watching Canada's response to judge whether or not they can continue to take advantage of us."

Porschedog 08-13-2010 12:32 AM

blow them up along with their ship

BaoXu 08-13-2010 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 7066134)

No they don't. Tamil's don't eat beef. Period.

Aren't you Indian? I suspected you would know this.

asahai69 08-13-2010 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BaoXu (Post 7066359)
No they don't. Tamil's don't eat beef. Period.

Aren't you Indian? I suspected you would know this.

if the tamil person is hindu. then he would not eat beef. but im sure if theyre christian or sumthing then it would be a different story

scottsman 08-13-2010 01:27 AM

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A billion plus has already been spent on the DTES.
What's your point? Does it mean we should spend thousands of dollars for people entering the country illegally, some of whom are terrorists?

Manic!, regarding your other links, maybe you can also take the time to research what the rest of the people aboard the ships have been doing. In the example you have given it is great to see someone come from another country where he/she was being persecuted for their beliefs become a success. What happened to everyone else?

Common sense would lead me to believe that the percentage of people coming to Canada legally would engage in far less criminal activity than people who come illegally.

Ch28 08-13-2010 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by achiam (Post 7066351)
'ATTA BOY!

Public Safety Minister Vic Toews labelled some of the 490 passengers on the ship "human smugglers and terrorists," although he didn’t elaborate. He used the ship's arrival to promise swift action from Ottawa.

"Human smuggling, illegal migration or any other abuses of Canada’s immigration system can not and will not be tolerated," he said in a statement issued early Friday.

Toews called the arrival an "unacceptable abuse of international law and Canadian generosity," adding Canadian officials "will look at all available options to strengthen our laws" to address the matter.

He earlier said "human smugglers and human traffickers are now watching Canada's response to judge whether or not they can continue to take advantage of us."

About fucking time our country grew a spine.

fliptuner 08-13-2010 01:40 AM

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Mizter 08-13-2010 01:58 AM

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Let's say I break into your house:



A woman wrote the best 'Letter to the Editor' in ages!! She cuts to the quick and explains things better than all the baloney you hear on TV. Her letter said:



Recently, large demonstrations have taken place across the country protesting the fact that parliament is finally addressing the issue of illegal immigration. Certain people are angry that Canada might actually want to protect its own borders, might make it harder to sneak into this country and, once here, make it harder (as an illegal immigrant) to stay indefinitely. Let me see if I correctly understand the thinking behind these protests. Let's say I break into your house. Then, when you discover me in your house, you insist that I leave. But I say, 'I've made all the beds and washed the dishes and done the laundry and swept the floors; I've done all the things you don't like to do. I'm hard-working and honest (except for when I broke into your house). According to the protesters, not only must you let me stay, you must add me to your family's insurance plan, educate my kids, and provide other benefits to me and to my family (my husband will do your yard work) because he too is hard-working and honest, except for that breaking-in part. If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends who will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my illegal right to be there. It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do, and I'm just trying to better myself. I'm hard-working and honest, um, except for well, you know. And what a deal it is for me!! I live in your house, contributing only a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it without being accused of selfishness, prejudice and being an anti-housebreaker. Oh yeah, and I want you to learn my language so you can communicate with me! English is too hard for me to learn. You should also allow me to vote - in my own language, since I live in your house! Why can't people see how ridiculous this is? Only in Canada!
Something my friend posted on FB about the issue.

ajax 08-13-2010 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizter (Post 7066432)
Something my friend posted on FB about the issue.

What's wrong with the immigrants who come and work incredibly hard because they have a chance for a much better life? It's the ones who take advantage of the system, bring only violence and crime who should be dealt with. Simply work with the one's who work hard and develop a system.

vafanculo 08-13-2010 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ajax (Post 7066438)
What's wrong with the immigrants who come and work incredibly hard because they have a chance for a much better life? It's the ones who take advantage of the system, bring only violence and crime who should be dealt with. Simply work with the one's who work hard and develop a system.

Problem is you don't know who is here to work, and who is here to be a disgrace to society. To enter Canada you should do so legally. Go through the sponsorship program, wait your 1-2 years paper processing time, and then you are welcome to contribute to society.

If you just jump on a boat and hope to sneak in when the coast guard isn't watching, then you are trespassing. Gtfo
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Ulic Qel-Droma 08-13-2010 02:44 AM

does the government ever follow up on illegal immigrants and see how they're doing? if they're just a waste of space or if they're actually contributing?

I mean, if even 30% of them become good standing citizens and pay their taxes and all that shit, it's worth it since canada is under populated.

OR
we could just continue to let "wealthy investors" keep immigrating to canada, and the gap between the poor and rich continues to grow. If that continues, vancouver and probably some other cities are going to end up like any other major city, lol, the disparity between the rich and "average" (poor), will be so huge, that they practically live in different worlds. they won't share one common space, or anything at all. all that will matter is $, if you aint a millionaire, you're just a no body, it's already starting to be like that. Fuck you go to a city like shanghai, or NYC, you'll see what I'm talking about. cuz we all know people that are actually fuckin 3rd world poor will never immigrate legally into canada. what are they gonna do? sell their liver, first born child and a night with their wife for half a plane ticket?

lol, so whatever, you can't sink a boat or tell ppl to turn around if it means their demise.

so... back to the original question, does the government actually follow up on illegal immigrants? or do they just let em free after being processed?

anyways the situation is far more complex than just "let them in" or "turn them away".

The militaristic side of me says every able bodied male 18 to whatever the upper limit is, should have to serve 2 years if they enter this way. that way at least they get training, learn about canada, it's history, and all that jazz, and feel like they're apart of a whole. It should instill pride and patriotism, and gives them an identity, not just "alien refugee".

or some sorta reform program, maybe not the military. the americans do this with their landed immigrants, offer them the chance to speed up their citizenship if they serve, and it works, tons of immigrants and minorities join.

it should be an option anyways. of course after a hardcore background check if that's even possible.

that's my 2cents.

cuz honestly, there's no way we're going to blow them up or turn them around if it means putting them in danger. You KNOW it wont happen. It's Canada, not China lol.

dinamix 08-13-2010 03:24 AM

keep them here. we need more people in canada.
Give them one chance. if the break the law , send them back.No questions asked.
surrey is a good place for them

memba this?

http://www.multiculturalcanada.ca/vietnamese

scottsman 08-13-2010 03:43 AM

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we could just continue to let "wealthy investors" keep immigrating to canada, and the gap between the poor and rich continues to grow. If that continues, vancouver and probably some other cities are going to end up like any other major city, lol, the disparity between the rich and "average" (poor), will be so huge, that they practically live in different worlds. they won't share one common space, or anything at all. all that will matter is $, if you aint a millionaire, you're just a no body, it's already starting to be like that. Fuck you go to a city like shanghai, or NYC, you'll see what I'm talking about. cuz we all know people that are actually fuckin 3rd world poor will never immigrate legally into canada. what are they gonna do? sell their liver, first born child and a night with their wife for half a plane ticket?
What makes people think that everyone on that ship is poor? The last Tamil boat to come to Canada had people paying 40,000usd.

http://www.canada.com/health/Wait+he...797/story.html

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And so, he says, he paid $40,000 to a smuggler to get him out of the country.
I doubt it is even that easy to find a way on to these boats. Obviously the people on the boats must have some connection to the smugglers in some way.

scottsman 08-13-2010 03:46 AM

What if a boat load of Taliban showed up on our door step. I really don't see how another banned terrorist group are any different.

TRDood 08-13-2010 06:55 AM

Our healthcare system is treating them like trophies, while tax paying citizens have to wait a long time to get basic treatment.

I know 500 people is not a lot, but what about 10ships x 500ppl = 5,000 people?

Not to mention, the $50k per head ticket is most likely funded by drugs/illegal activities, we are importing crime into Canada...

Great68 08-13-2010 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TRDood (Post 7066521)
Our healthcare system is treating them like trophies, while tax paying citizens have to wait a long time to get basic treatment.

The recommissioned a whole old emergency ward at Victoria General for these people...

Now if you were a citizen on a waiting list for much needed medical services, wouldn't you feel just a little bit gypped?

underscore 08-13-2010 10:35 AM

As soon as a ship enters our waters, if it's not legally allowed to enter, it should be turned around and sent back out immediately. If they've paid a smuggler $40k to get over here, then they can afford to immigrate legally...

There's also no telling who among these people are smugglers/terrorists themselves. If they're allowed to stay and set up camp here then chances are this problem will just get worse, with more and more boats coming.

tiger_handheld 08-13-2010 10:44 AM

As a person who was born in sri lanka, and immigrated here legally, I think all we as canadians owe the people on the boat is some food and a medical check up before we send them back.

The country would not be what it is today without immigrants, but let it be the ones who come here legally. If Canada allows these people to stay, will that not negate the entire immigration process that other have to follow?

Mizter 08-13-2010 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ajax (Post 7066438)
What's wrong with the immigrants who come and work incredibly hard because they have a chance for a much better life? It's the ones who take advantage of the system, bring only violence and crime who should be dealt with. Simply work with the one's who work hard and develop a system.

Maybe I should re-word this for you because you clearly didn't catch the message. The message is saying that there is a difference LEGALLY AND ILLEGALLY immigrating to Canada. So if I illegally immigrated to Canada and worked my ass off does it make it right for me to have illegally immigrated to Canada while others do it the proper way by filling out the proper paper work rather than showing up on our doorstep in a boat? No.

Great68 08-13-2010 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by tiger_handheld (Post 7066688)
As a person who was born in sri lanka, and immigrated here legally, I think all we as canadians owe the people on the boat is some food and a medical check up before we send them back.

You might want to rethink your choice of words. We as Canadians OWE them NOTHING, but to show that we are compassionate, food and medical services would be a nice gift.

ajax 08-13-2010 12:01 PM

Its not as easy as filling out a few pieces of paper and bam a year later you're on a plane headed to canada. I personally don't have a problem with people who come here and work hard for their living knowing that they've been given a chance to better their life. That chance being legally or illegally doesn't really matter to me. Now if they come here and fuck it up then send them right back to where they came from. They only get one chance.

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Originally Posted by Mizter (Post 7066735)
Maybe I should re-word this for you because you clearly didn't catch the message. The message is saying that there is a difference LEGALLY AND ILLEGALLY immigrating to Canada. So if I illegally immigrated to Canada and worked my ass off does it make it right for me to have illegally immigrated to Canada while others do it the proper way by filling out the proper paper work rather than showing up on our doorstep in a boat? No.

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tiger_handheld 08-13-2010 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Great68 (Post 7066778)
You might want to rethink your choice of words. We as Canadians OWE them NOTHING, but to show that we are compassionate, food and medical services would be a nice gift.

thats what i meant. compassion. I do not agree that we need to setup a separate medical facility to treat them, when tax payers are waiting months to get treatment.

ImportPsycho 08-13-2010 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tiger_handheld (Post 7066688)
As a person who was born in sri lanka, and immigrated here legally, I think all we as canadians owe the people on the boat is some food and a medical check up before we send them back.

The country would not be what it is today without immigrants, but let it be the ones who come here legally. If Canada allows these people to stay, will that not negate the entire immigration process that other have to follow?

yes immigrants, not refugees, smugglers and terrorists.
we need right kind of people, not any kind of people
if we let these people in, what's stopping from other countries from hopping on the boat?


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