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LOL at the people calling this a cash grab. Clearly you don't have a clue about where ICBC gets its money or where it's spent. ICBC has revenues of about $4 billion per year. The police currently wrte about 10,000 excessive speeding tickets per year which would now change over to fall under the new law. At the proposed maximum of $483 per ticket plus three years of $320 extra fees that comes out to a whopping $14 million. Sounds like a lot at first, doesn't it? As a percentage it only accounts for 0.36% of ICBC's revenues. Do the math yourself if you don't believe me. So increasing revenues by 0.36% is a cash grab? Then why did ICBC reduce rates by 3.3% in 2009 and also applied to reduce rates another 1.9% for 2010? To put it into perspective, 3.3% comes out to $132 million and 1.9% comes out to $76 million, a hell of a lot more than the $14 million they'll receive from this new law. If ICBC wanted more money, then why even offer discounts? Better yet, why not simply change the discount from 3.3% to 3.0%? ICBC is an insurance company. They assess risk and assign premiums based on risk. They have every right to charge people who are at greater risk more money (people who get into lots of accidents or people who drive recklessly). Bottom line is speeding is the #1 cause of fatalities. ICBC has every right to charge people who speed higher premiums. |
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:Orly: :Orly: :Orly: :Orly: than let me chip in, right now i feel the fines are way too fucking cheap, any joe blow can afford that shit, hence why everyone speeds. Its like throwing out my pocket change to pay those fines, pfff :rolleyes: How about this, 20km above speed limite $350 fine, 21km to 40km $750 fine. Excessive speed $2500 fine, what you think about that :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::bullshit: retards who cant drive motherfucking shit is the no.1 cause of fatalities |
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There can be many causes of an crash, and 40% of crashes list speed as a cause. I can already hear the rebuttal: it is not speed, it is driver ability. You're partially correct. It is driver ability at speed. Unless you're Michael Schumacher (and even he looks rusty lately) your driving ability degrades with speed. |
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I drove the I5 back from Seattle last night, holy crap, tons of cruisers. No wonder the majority does the speed limit or less. Sure the limit is 110 kmph, yet I usually cruise BC highways at 120 kmph without much worry of getting a 20 over ticket. |
+1 to that. I drive much slower in the States when I go track day actually. The system is entirely different down there though the county's sheriff decides if the county should strictly enforce the limit more or less....and when money is tight they are out like pack of wolves because the money goes towards the police of the county that caught you. Unlike here, where the money is going straight to the RCMP which most of it is then redistributed evenly to all municipalities more or less... so less of an incentive to tackle this aggressively in Canada for sure. The way I see it police out here catching speeders is almost analogical to intercept sales tactics in a mall - if you come by and do the right "things" you'll get stopped for it, while the US traffic police are bunch of mall cops that tend to follow "suspicious people" and if you mess up even the slightest they are out to get your money. Hardly ever I see cruisers in Canada follow anyone on the freeway and stop them, but more often there are issued stations for spot checks... |
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Examples include the number 3, the Duffy Lake Road, the number 16, etc. |
Bad drivers are the #1 cause of accidents. Speed and alcohol/drugs just make it worse for the masses. Until we get cars that drive themselves -- this will continue to be a problem. Most of the peeps on this board are complaining of charges that relate to speeding not the changes they made for DUI They made the DUI charges tougher to deal with the chronic drunk drivers that get a slap on the wrist and take forever to deal with in the courts. Now they lose the car, their licence and get a huge fine RIGHT AWAY not months later. Anyone who thinks this is a bad idea should talk to someone who has lost a loved one due to a drunk driver Fuck drunk drivers -- they deserve harsh penalties |
lol, saw someone got impounded on the wkend. The guy just ripped it on Main Street between Terminal & Kingsway. Owned. |
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Yet one of the comments says it best: speeders are usually guilty. I actually like the way the BC law is written for normal speeding. Essentially it is only one ticket with a discretionary fine (lower amount for 0-20 over, higher amount for 20-40, same amount of points). So unless you can prove you weren't speeding at all, there' no point wasting the courts time. This is much better than other provinces where the speeding ticket is tiered: 0-15 over $50, no points 15-30 over $150-250, 2 points 30-50 over, $250-400, 3 points ... So many people fight these tickets and waste the courts time to try and get dropped down a tier. The BC system is much better. |
We were on a tiered system before 1-30, 30-39, 40-49 over the limit etc. My post was not to question guilt itself but that of degree as it pertains to the new law. |
Easy solution. If the officer is judging speed based on training, then they should only be able to hand out regular speeding tickets. If they want to charge excessive speeding, they either need radar or to tail the offender. I had a speeding ticket from 2 years ago where the officer was driving the opposite direction. I disputed the charge and just found out the ticket was dismissed and I didn't have to waste my time going to court. |
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Curious, what was your argument going to be against the cop driving in the opposite direction? |
I had a cop who "estimated" my speed when I had an excessive speeding ticket in the fall. Got a letter in the mail a month or two ago saying the ticket got thrown out.... He really didn't have anything on me. And I don't need a track right now, I drive a 4runner and it's slow. Just going to get a radar detector when I get another volvo. |
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When I was young, my Dad owned an '84 Mercury Capri RS Turbo. For anyone that doesn't know much about these cars, they used the same body and chassis as 80's Fox body Mustangs apart from some minor differences. One night, my Dad, Mom and I were driving home from Vancouver on the knight street bridge of course doing the speed limit. We were on the south side when a Mustang of the same era and colour blew past us. Next to come over the bridge was a police cruiser, who then gets behind my dad and pulls him over thinking he was the Mustang. Unbelievably my dad gets at ticket for excessive speeding. My Mom and my Dad go to court to fight the ticket and loose, the judge's words were "I tend to take the officer's word on matters like this". Unfuckingbelievable. A cop's inability to tell apart make and model of car (Basically the cop's FUCK UP) cost my dad cash and points on his license. My parents are still sore about this incident to this very day, this is an absolutely true story. So of course I grew up hearing about this incident all the time. Do you think your parents telling you about how they got fucked by a traffic cop really gives you a lot of respect for traffic cops? If this had happened today, my dad would have been impounded before he even got the right to protest. Fucking bullshit. |
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Or do 50+ over the limit in BC and just suck it up when you get busted... watching your car get towed should provide plenty of adrenaline. |
Revelation's boring. Water's too cold for cliff jumping. Can't afford to DH. Montana's pretty far. I drive a truck and don't speed? I'm just saying. |
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But it didn't matter. I just wanted to dispute the ticket for the sake of it because I knew I was speeding. Mainly, I was hoping the officer didn't show up or had no evidence against me speeding. It was still light out and there was no traffic coming down SFU. I didn't watch my speed and was going over 60 km/h on a section of road that can easily be 70 km/h. It's strange how that part of Gallardi is 60 when there is no cross roads but other parts of this road is a 70 zone. |
^ just to add to my post earlier. See Gaglardi way would be a nice example of a street where the limit should really be raised because it is clearly too low, especially when you're going downhill. Despite this the law doesn't screw anyone over. Take someone leaving SFU going down gaglardi way... Speed limit is 60, which means excessive speeding is 100+ It shouldn't be hard to control your speed so you are only going 90 if you really can't stand going at a slower speed like say 80. Hell most traffic I see are going 80...90 is pretty much the upper limit. I have seen very few people drive at 100+ down that hill. Not to mention the 60 stretch doesn't even last that long, as you continue going down the hill the limit changes to 70 which means excessive speeding is now at 110kph.... I don't see how hard it would be to just keep your speed at 100 which is already pretty damn fast since you'll be approaching lougheed hwy soon and most likely have to stop for the light. On this stretch most people drive 80-90 still. I think this law is fair for those who drive responsibly. It's "unfair" to irresponsible drivers..but then again we don't want irresponsible drivers on the road. |
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Thank you for sharing but what a dumb incident...simply bullshit. Another reason why i hate traffic pigs I received an VI before when i simply changed to another set of OEM rims, he demands i lowered the car (which i havent) and i was like wat the fuck he basically threw me the fucking ticket and left. |
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