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b0unce. [?] 11-02-2010 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by impulseX (Post 7169181)
Ya, the 'pineapple bun'.

my dad used to call bc place "the giant boh lo bao" ahaha

CP.AR 11-02-2010 04:10 PM

lolwut

seakrait 11-02-2010 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jsunu (Post 7169319)
Please for the love of god people read this. It is not so much engineering fail as it was as a result of building limitations since they had to construct on an existing structure, hence the cloth roof. Constructing a metal roof would've required building a entirely new stadium and hence more $$$$$. They just had to make the most cost effective decision and built on an existing structure.


Basically if a freak rainstorm just happens to down pour, it will just make the players wet. They just have to make sure and look at the weather conditions before they retract or open the roof. It really is a non-issue.

but the question still remains: why was a retractable roof necessary? what events could they NOT have held with a closed roof?

or is this an issue akin to choosing a convertible car because it's figuratively cooler?

or were there physical limitations for building a closed roof as well?

Great68 11-02-2010 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by seakrait (Post 7169978)
or is this an issue akin to choosing a convertible car because it's figuratively cooler?

Ding Ding Ding!

They had 1/2 a billion burning a hole in their pocket and had to spend it on something.

Funny, BC place can get a 500 million dollar roof but Victoria can't get 50 million to replace a nearly condemned rusting to shit 100 year old bridge that feeds into the downtown core. Fuck you very much BC Liberals!

winson604 11-02-2010 06:07 PM

I don't think this is a big deal personally. Like other cities with retractable roofs they plan ahead as well. Even the Mariners and Bluejays rarely run into a situation where they need to suddenly close the roof because they plan ahead and close it just in case anyways. Meh stupid media.

Hondaracer 11-02-2010 06:07 PM

no one cares about island people :P :troll:

Great68 11-02-2010 06:15 PM

Here's an interesting tidbit. Qwest Field in Seattle was $430 million, for a BRAND NEW stadium with a full retracting metal roof...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ne%2C_2002.jpg

Why the hell is it costing us $500 million for just a roof? A fabric one at that?

Hondaracer 11-02-2010 06:19 PM

because it's less expensive to build something from the ground up than Demolish an existing structure, engineer the new structure, and build ontop of a pre existing frame?

Cowboys stadium cost 1 billion btw, how old is Qwest field now? 10 years at least?

seakrait 11-02-2010 06:30 PM

i still think they could have built a solid roof... or i suppose a fabric one for weight savings for much cheaper if it didn't have to be retractable.

Great68 11-02-2010 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 7170114)
because it's less expensive to build something from the ground up than Demolish an existing structure, engineer the new structure, and build ontop of a pre existing frame?

Uhhh, they built Qwest Field over the old Kingdome.

JSS 11-02-2010 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Great68 (Post 7170109)
Here's an interesting tidbit. Qwest Field in Seattle was $430 million, for a BRAND NEW stadium with a full retracting metal roof...


Why the hell is it costing us $500 million for just a roof? A fabric one at that?

qwest field does not have a retractable roof.

CanadaGoose 11-02-2010 06:55 PM

WTF

For $500 million they could've built a goddamn 12 feet thick concrete blastproof roof that would retract in the middle of a fucking nuclear strike, let alone a rainy day. :facepalm:

Hondaracer 11-02-2010 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Great68 (Post 7170147)
Uhhh, they built Qwest Field over the old Kingdome.

After the king dome was demolished.

Pretty sure the demolishion, cleanup, and rebuild of qwest totalled more than 500
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Great68 11-02-2010 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JSS (Post 7170174)
qwest field does not have a retractable roof.

My bad I was thinking of safeco (Which cost 517mil by the way)

Great68 11-02-2010 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 7170230)
After the king dome was demolished.

Pretty sure the demolishion, cleanup, and rebuild of qwest totalled more than 500
Posted via RS Mobile

Even if demolition costs brought the total over 500mil, they got an entire NEW stadium. We're getting a fabric roof with a design flaw. We're getting a shitty deal.

Hondaracer 11-02-2010 08:09 PM

well yea, i'm pretty sure for the value Jerry jones got more for his 1 billion then we did for the 500 mill

hal0g0dv2 11-02-2010 08:29 PM

should of built a birds nest

winson604 11-02-2010 08:51 PM

One has to keep in mind that the Cowboys stadium is in the middle of no where while BC Place is in a prime location. I think that should be factored in a bit here personally. Would I have preferred tearing Bc Place down, playing at Empire for a couple few years instead? Sure, but this is what we got and I'm sure it will be dope.

JSS 11-02-2010 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by winson604 (Post 7170456)
One has to keep in mind that the Cowboys stadium is in the middle of no where while BC Place is in a prime location. I think that should be factored in a bit here personally. Would I have preferred tearing Bc Place down, playing at Empire for a couple few years instead? Sure, but this is what we got and I'm sure it will be dope.

i think a majority of the public would have rather opted for a new stadium if cost was gonna be similar to a new roof... but im sure the fact that they wanted to host the 2011 grey cup here had something to do with a quick time frame for construction so they opted to go the current route.

im still puzzled as to why this whole "can only close at certain times" fiasco was not disclosed before any building permits were issued.

one of two things happened here...

whoever designed the roof knew and never said anything...

or

the government knew about it from the beginning but opted to go ahead with it and only disclose it to the public once construction was past the point of no return.

i find it ironic that construction is this far along and we were just told about it now.

Expresso 11-02-2010 09:30 PM

The government probably opted for it because it was the cheaper option, and didnt know everyone would make big stink about it.

If you were to build a brand new stadium in the middle of downtown with todays pricing, I'm pretty sure it would be close to what the Dallas Cowboys paid.

winson604 11-02-2010 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JSS (Post 7170474)
i think a majority of the public would have rather opted for a new stadium if cost was gonna be similar to a new roof... but im sure the fact that they wanted to host the 2011 grey cup here had something to do with a quick time frame for construction so they opted to go the current route.

im still puzzled as to why this whole "can only close at certain times" fiasco was not disclosed before any building permits were issued.

one of two things happened here...

whoever designed the roof knew and never said anything...

or

the government knew about it from the beginning but opted to go ahead with it and only disclose it to the public once construction was past the point of no return.

i find it ironic that construction is this far along and we were just told about it now.

My point is I don't believe it would ha been close to the price of the new roof at all. Oh wells too late now =\

Great68 11-02-2010 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by HachiSix (Post 7170518)
If you were to build a brand new stadium in the middle of downtown with todays pricing, I'm pretty sure it would be close to what the Dallas Cowboys paid.

The land is already paid for. Also, Cowboy stadium seats 110,000 (Compared to the 55,000 of BC place). That's a huge a factor for how much that stadium cost. We couldn't possibly support a 110,000 seat stadium in Vancouver.

BMW135i 11-02-2010 11:23 PM

What a waste of $$. Epic fail

bikerx 11-03-2010 12:59 AM

.. soo if it rains.. and the water collects inside they have to wait a couple of days for all the rain to evaporate? ....

Kamui712 11-03-2010 01:19 AM

Lol I have to say... 1st two pages of this thread are a great example of people just going along in order to belong.

Page 1:
someone posts the news article stating the stadium has engineering problems.

The responses:

"OMG WTFBBQ LOL enginering FAIL FAIL FAIL bwahaha waste of money!!!"


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Page 2:

someone posts an article that says "this issue has been known for awhile" and someone says it's being blown out of proportion"

the responses now become:

"yea jeez! I don't know why everyone's complaining, this was a better decsion!! people stop blowing it out of proportion."


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Page 3:
beginning of some dialogue/debate instead of "he said, she said" crap.


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stop jumping on the bandwagon and think for yourselves, you only look like an ass when you agree just to agree.


/end


edit: this is basically how the first 2 pages of the thread play out:



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