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GabAlmighty 12-14-2010 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Gumby (Post 7228059)
Weird - I can't thank you for starting this thread!

Thanks anyway!

The Typhoon must be flying at a low airspeed in order to hold steady behind the C130... :eek:

Assuming the C130 was straight and level the Typhoon looks like it has a pretty high angle of attack... Maybe even closing in on stall.

alpinestars 12-14-2010 04:38 PM

A-10 warthog

The aircraft has triple redundancy in its flight systems, with mechanical systems to back up double-redundant hydraulic systems. This permits pilots to fly and land when hydraulic power or part of a wing is lost.The aircraft is designed to fly with one engine, one tail, one elevator and half a wing torn off.Its self-sealing fuel tanks are protected by fire-retardant foam.[40] The A-10's main landing gear is designed so that the wheels semi-protrude from their nacelles when the gear is retracted so as to make gear-up landings (belly landing) easier to control and less damaging to the aircraft's underside. Additionally, the landing gear are all hinged toward the rear of the aircraft, so if hydraulic power is lost the pilot can drop the gear and a combination of gravity and wind resistance will open and lock the gear in place. -wikipedia

http://espacoaereo.files.wordpress.c...10_damage2.jpg
http://northshorejournal.org/LinkedI...maged-a-10.jpg
http://www.nefarious-240z.com/Pub/Jet-BattleDamage.jpg
http://www.motifake.com/image/demoti...1265843387.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_oC8TwXe4PF...566aV-1000.jpg
http://www.visualintel.net/USAF/Weap..._MSwUk-M-1.jpg
http://www.airforcetimes.com/xml/new...erbolt_800.JPG

http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace...ii-cutaway.jpg





tofu1413 12-14-2010 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by belka (Post 7227997)
Fixed. All those fancy maneuvers won't help avoiding an AIM-120 fired from 200 miles away. ;)


with a missle like that, its like saying a f4 phantom could beat a su37 in combat.

dogfight meaning two planes could see each other. any non us biased analyst would agree a su37 would out maneuver a f22 in a mock combat, assuming both pilots know their planes well
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belka 12-14-2010 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tofu1413 (Post 7228364)
any non us biased analyst would agree a su37 would out maneuver a f22 in a mock combat, assuming both pilots know their planes well

Is there any technical data to support this claim or is it more opinions from "experts in armchair air combat"? IMO, nothing the Russians make can "out anything" made by the Americans today, when comparing similar-type role fighters. It doesn't matter what the Russians build, when it comes down to it the Americans have the lead in fighter technology, reliability and most importantly, training and flight hours.

danizer 12-14-2010 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mx703 (Post 7228008)
what's the point in keeping the aurora top secret?
i don't really understand.

us develops amazing technology
no other nation can figure it out
scanario: international espionage to try and acquire this technology
result: nations get hostile in their attempted acquisation....ultimately war
:thumbsup:

BoostedBB6 12-14-2010 09:43 PM

A-10 is like a flying tank :P
The re-vamped A-10C is where its at tho :D

Gumby 12-14-2010 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by FDTT (Post 7228532)
A-10 is like a flying tank :P
The re-vamped A-10C is where its at tho :D

Primary purpose of the A-10 was to bust up armored vehicles - especially tanks. They practically designed the plane around the damn cannon!

I remember having lots of fun playing A-10 Tank Killer on the computer back in the early 90s... :D

BoostedBB6 12-14-2010 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Gumby (Post 7228571)
Primary purpose of the A-10 was to bust up armored vehicles - especially tanks. They practically designed the plane around the damn cannon!

I remember having lots of fun playing A-10 Tank Killer on the computer back in the early 90s... :D

Yup they are a hell of a plane. There so ugly they are pretty!

Here another plane to drool over.

http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/20...yt-d32h8go.jpg

alpinestars 12-14-2010 10:11 PM

Chinese jet fighters

http://www.sinous.net/wp-content/upl...010/04/j10.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_X_0WKkini8...s1600/J-10.jpg
Wings on the nose of the craft, possibly for better stability and handling?


http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/imag...0053581673.jpg
This one can fold down in half, minimizing storage space requirements
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/31665/

Shorn 12-14-2010 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mx703 (Post 7228008)
what's the point in keeping the aurora top secret?
i don't really understand.

aren't the really fast planes like this one useless in a war? cause they can't carry large bombs because it'll compromise the aerodynamics of it?

and going six times the speed of sound isn't nearly enough to head into deep space.
The next closet galaxy (Andromeda Galaxy) is 2.5 million light-years away.
So provided that we can travel at the speed of light, which is impossible. It would still take us 2.5 million years to get there. (Well less but still a long ass time)
^ hah, i actually learned something from undergrad !

i thought fast planes are useful in war because they're not used to bomb stuff, but for intelligence instead.. you know, like taking hi res pictures from a million miles in the air? seeing where the enemy has troops and that kind of thing. cause they can fly high as well as fast

BoostedBB6 12-14-2010 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by alpinestars (Post 7228584)
Chinese jet fighters

http://www.sinous.net/wp-content/upl...010/04/j10.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_X_0WKkini8...s1600/J-10.jpg
Wings on the nose of the craft, possibly for better stability and handling?


http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/imag...0053581673.jpg
This one can fold down in half, minimizing storage space requirements
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/31665/

The forward wings (canards) are used to increase maneuverability of the plane. Often seen on delta wing configurations to allow for some amazing maneuvers.

Senna4ever 12-14-2010 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by belka (Post 7228407)
IMO, nothing the Russians make can "out anything" made by the Americans today, when comparing similar-type role fighters. It doesn't matter what the Russians build, when it comes down to it the Americans have the lead in fighter technology, reliability and most importantly, training and flight hours.

Sounds like what "experts in armchair air combat" say. ;)

dogeatcookie 12-14-2010 11:37 PM

http://documentaryheaven.com/battle-of-the-x-planes/

Good watch!

seakrait 12-14-2010 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by alpinestars (Post 7228166)

that would be captain kim campbell.

the story of her surviving her flight over baghdad here (with more pictures): http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.co.../story0016.htm

seakrait 12-15-2010 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by dogeatcookie (Post 7228701)

always had a soft spot for boeing. but man, their entry, the x-32, looked like a guppy.

rsx 12-15-2010 12:13 AM

no homage to the p-51's?

dogeatcookie 12-15-2010 12:30 AM

Tu-160 Blackjack Strategic Bomber

http://warfare.ru/0702ey70/pictures/tu160_2.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi.../4c/Tu-160.jpg
http://tu160.info/tu160his/tu160_001.jpg
http://www.military-today.com/aircra...ackjack_l7.jpg

seakrait 12-15-2010 12:53 AM

^^^ bah. the b-1b is where it's at. ;)

http://media.defenseindustrydaily.co...eme_Low_lg.jpg

http://www.flightsim.com/feature/b1bsim/b1tightbank.jpg

Senna4ever 12-15-2010 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by rsx (Post 7228739)
no homage to the p-51's?

Abbotsford Airshow 2009:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...w/011D9298.jpg

chouchou 12-15-2010 01:18 AM

Slightly unrelated, but does anyone know what kind of training it takes to become a pilot of one of these machines?
Not interested in becoming one or anything, but how does one get into the field? Are there certain selection processes? What's the pay like?
Things like fighter-jets have always been surreal to me.. movie like..

dogeatcookie 12-15-2010 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by seakrait (Post 7228783)

"Although several civil and military transport aircraft are bigger, the Tu-160 has the greatest total thrust, and the heaviest takeoff weight of any combat aircraft, and the highest top speed as well as one of the largest payloads of any current heavy bomber."
B-1B is weak shit dawg :D

tool001 12-15-2010 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by alpinestars (Post 7228584)
\Wings on the nose of the craft, possibly for better stability and handling?

increased lift & deflects. allow high AoA



http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Im...AAR03-1024.jpg

tool001 12-15-2010 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by belka (Post 7228407)
Is there any technical data to support this claim or is it more opinions from "experts in armchair air combat"? IMO, nothing the Russians make can "out anything" made by the Americans today, when comparing similar-type role fighters. It doesn't matter what the Russians build, when it comes down to it the Americans have the lead in fighter technology, reliability and most importantly, training and flight hours.


as for technical data regarding dogfight. a plane with 3d tvc will outdo a 2dtvc in close combact, its common knowledge.


as far as other claim regaridng amercian tech goes,
do some research, thr is quite alot of data for this, ie. f35 vs pak-fa. or F22 vs. Pak-fa


source: http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-NOTAM-300309-1.html
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Fights between the F-22A and the PAK-FA will be close, high, fast and lethal. The F-22A may get ‘first look’ with the APG-77, the Advanced Infra Red Search and Track (AIRST) sensor having been deleted to save money, but the PAK-FA may get ‘first look’ using its advanced infrared sensor. Then, the engagement becomes a supersonic equivalent of the Battle of Britain or air combat over North Korea. The outcome will be difficult to predict as it will depend a lot on the combat skills of the pilots and the capabilities of the missiles for end-game kills. There is no guarantee that the F-22 will prevail every time.
The fate of the F-35 Lightning II would be far worse in an air combat environment challenged by the PAK-FA. If the Mach 1.5 PAK-FA is using its infrared sensor as the primary sensor and observes radio frequency emission control (EMCON), then the first detection by the F-35’s APG-81 radar could be at ~20 nautical miles or less with a missile launched by the PAK-FA’s infrared sensors already inbound from 60 to 70 nautical miles away. The PAK-FA could easily break to a direction outside the F-35’s AIM-120 engagement zone.

JD¹³ 12-15-2010 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by chouchou (Post 7228797)
Slightly unrelated, but does anyone know what kind of training it takes to become a pilot of one of these machines?
Not interested in becoming one or anything, but how does one get into the field? Are there certain selection processes? What's the pay like?
Things like fighter-jets have always been surreal to me.. movie like..

It varies from country to country but I am going through the process right now here in Canada. I tried with the US first but was denied by the USMC and USAF simply because I was a non-resident. I'll answer this in detail for you tonight.

The selection process is very indepth and well.... very selective. I think in the US Navy something like 1 in 100,000 pilot applicants actually make it to fighter training and pass.

Pay depends on a number of variables: rank, time in, certifications, postings, etc. I'm guessing that the average fighter pilot in Canada makes in the region of 85-95 thousand a year.

JD¹³ 12-15-2010 11:32 AM

What are the odds of catching the sun at just the right angle through the condensation of a hard banking F22? This is a one in a million shot:

http://www.thehighdefinite.com/wp-co...on-Rainbow.jpg


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