this^^.. Superstitious are superstitious, and thats it. If you don't like it, thats your problem!


Why? Because they have money they can do whatever they want? Are you one of them... mommy and daddy handed you everything and now you think you own the place? By the looks of it you are 18ish, stupid, and cocky as hell. Give your head a shake.

Is this about dying people or ghosts? I can't tell anymore.

If you don't want to worry about negative emotions then live in a forest away from cars that pollute the environment, fast food restaurants that clog arteries and cause heart attacks, banks that foreclose on homes and kick families out into the street, and computer shops that sell computers that people browse child pornography created by demand from computer users who browse child pornography.

You can find a negative spin to everything around you. If thats how you live your life, what a stunted life you must lead. Why bother leaving your condo if you're forced to think about people dying down the block? We all know that people are only dying in that ONE SPOT and its happening down the street from you. No where else in the world, just that ONE SPOT.


Sorry, but protesting a hospice on those grounds is a ridiculous argument. I respect that you have your beliefs but I can find no common ground to agree with you on this.

Just to elaborate, as someone stated before me, being near a place in which death happens so frequently gives you a whole different perspective on what's important while you're alive. I can somewhat see where they are coming from, I'd be pissed if Surrey said they were building a graveyard next to my building (white people have superstitions too...), but hey, what can you do, right? UBC planners likely considered potential backlash, but it's not like they went 'ha ha ha let's fuck with the minds of those damn chinese invaders!'. It's retarded even to think that, given how expensive those condos are.

Edit, @Nikko:

- Lol, refunded, suuure. I'd like to see that fly in a court of law 'Your honor, these evil UBC bastards built a place that causes bad karma, make them give me my money back!'

- I get what you are saying, except they are not in China, so having a 'lot' of money is sort of irrelevant. This isn't some third world banana republic, it's Canada. Money helps, but not to the extent you are suggesting.

- It's Canada. Not China. Not Hong Kong. Not anywhere else. We have a saying in my culture that goes somewhat like 'You follow the music when you dance.' i.e., when in Rome do like the Romans or if you don't like it, au revoir.

So when you look for a home you wouldn't mind getting a house in the ghetto area of city? because by that logic .. since theres shooting/robbery/rape everywhere.. theres no point of getting a house in a better neighborhood? its not about eliminating the negative.. its about minimizing the best you can to avoid it

You can't be comparing a hospice to a ghetto. Right?

Right?

Cuz, like, I've lived in a place that's way worse than any 'ghetto' around here, and let me tell you, while I do believe in ghosts, I would take living next to a hospice or two over that any day.

i'm not doing a direct comparison ... but both these places do raise negative reactions to people.

Im sure is not just asian residences @ UBC that are opposing to this..

But i mean, a hospice built near any apartment will bound to cause controversy. is just that this case is more noticeable due to the higher asian residence and is @ UBC.

Im not superstitious, but I personally would not support a hospice being built next to my apartment (even if it is not millions of dollars)...

There is a difference between a place where there's pure evil and negative karma vs a place where, while there is not happiness in a normal sense, there is good karma, people trying to help and make the life of a terminally ill patient as happy as possible, so that when they pass, they can pass in peace and not leave anything behind.

Okay, so I did a bit of research about hospices "devaluing" properties and came to one conclusion: There have been very, very few instances of this actually happening, and only because it was part of other construction projects in the vicinity that blocked views, etc.

People have to keep in mind that UBC is a University and the property is there to be used as they see fit. Maybe these people will complain less if they decide instead to build a large building designed specifically to hold all of the University's frat parties?

Also, one of the complaints is that these owners paid $1 million for these units. Why should that matter? So they worked hard for their money. What's your point? Would anyone who worked hard for their money and can only afford a $300,000 condo then have any less of an argument? You can't have both arguments and expect to be treated differently than anyone else.

Superstitions of one minority shouldn't have an impact on construction projects. Now if there were real, physical reasons why this hospice shouldn't be built (ie: irrigation problems, lack of parking, etc), then I could understand.

they're using culture as an excuse not to have it in their backyard.

we can agree that people of any race wouldn't like seeing terminally ill walking around their backyard, right? well then only chinese people get to have the right to a hospice-free backyard, since the ying-yang clash thing exists. what about the natives with their 1 million dollar condos? or the Peruvians?

if you take that in to perspective ... these are million dollar apartments/condos or w/e they did not pay that much money so they have to even be in that sort of environment .... if you move to the ghetto you are aware of these things happening

I'm working on an assignment at the moment, so I don't have time to research this myself, I shouldn't even be on RS actually..

I believe hospices are funded almost entirely by donation, they are not a component of the government sponsored health care program, can someone confirm?

Being superstitious FTL.

not sure where youre going with this or how it relates to my post.

would they complain if it was an old folks home being built beside them? a lot of people pass away there too. what if the building they live in had a high percentage of elderly living in it? would they protest the elderly and tell them to gtfo because they are old and may die soon leaving them with nightmares? this protest is a joke superstitions or not they are just being inconsiderate assholes and for the record i wouldn't give a shit if there was a hospice by my house. to me it seems they are worried the place they bought wont go up in value enough when they want to sell it 5 years down the road.

Well let's put it this way. I am Chinese and been living in Canada since I was 8 (20years lish). I don't believe in ghost or anything but if I were to spend 1million for a house/apartment I would sure want it to be in a quite place with no hospital, Police station, hospice or any sort.

When I come home I want to be in a relax environment. Although I don't see dead bodies and stuff like that around a hospice but I will see family and friends of those that have been submitted into the hospice which I mean looking at them they are going to be sad, thus making my mood not as good/great/happy as it should be. Also, I don't like having so many strangers around the area where I live and I am pretty sure with a hospice there are going to be a lot of strangers around.

Ask yourself honestly will you spend 1million of pay $2k+ rent each month to live next to a hospice or find another place to buy/rent? Is not about seeing ghost or Asian thing or anything else. Is when people have a choice they will chose the best value with their money. Just like a lot Rsers when they buy something from Buy and Sell they lowball the buyer so they can get a better deal or when they are modding their cars or buying a new car we shop around for the best deal/services.

Just like all these car manfacture recalls say Honda knows there is some defect with their car but they try not to fix it and sell it you anyways. When you bought it then it was made public but they won't fix it, you have to pay to get it fix or live with it. And let's just assume you sign a contract saying Honda is not responsibilty for your car of any defect. I am sure you will be pretty piss too.

not sure why I hit the quote button there, half focused on homework and half on thread.

That argument might be valid if not for the fact that it's inside a freakin' University! You'll be surrounded by 12,000 strangers. What's another 50?

so basically, coles notes are: build it in a 'white' community or build it on an island

if thats your worries then you shouldnt be buying at ubc. it has a hospital and a huge university with dorms(parties etc) tons of people commuting to and from it. typically i wouldnt think it would be quiet and an extremely relaxing place

guys a hospice looks like a regular neighborhood house.

I really don't think anyone's ever seen one. Theres one on 4 road and granville.

i dont think the people protesting even really understand what it is

Exactly.

It's not like a hospital guys, people aren't coming and going constantly. It's grieving families getting in there cars and going home after seeing their loved ones, for often, the last time. If anything it might make the area quieter since partying students will avoid disturbing people in the hospice.

isn't that pretty much what a cemetery is ? except they're already dead

its just as bad

it's not a hospital with revolving doors. It's 20 people. there will be a max staff of 5-10 people. people die everywhere all the time. Get over yourself. Hospices are not a place of negativity, and in fact positivity.

ps: If you had teh ability to buy a 1million dollar condo, and from what it seems like be from mainland china, why the fuck wouldn't you send your kid to fucking stanford or any of the other schools in cali.