Lamp?

I'll just add to what Presto said..

I'm not interested in researching Blue Cross plan options, but I'm fairly certain Nurses wouldn't be present 24-7 and I doubt you would have access to a palliative care physician during the day.

I'm almost certain that if you needed more advanced care and equipment, a dialysis machine for instance, it wouldn't be purchased and delivered to your home courtesy of blue cross. Your the expert SpuGen, will they?

If the washroom in their home isn't equipped for a disabled person, many people in a hospice are to weak to walk and need wheel chairs, will blue cross renovate it for them?

What the persons bedroom doesn't have enough electrical outlets or the proper ones to run medical equipment, blue cross will hire an electrician right?

What if there's a power outage, the patients home will need to be equipped with a generator to prevent the medical equipment from shutting down, will blue cross pay for that?

seems like you're choosing to ignore the various testaments citing the lack of evidence in the devaluation of property relative to adjacent hospice locations. hear no evil, see no evil...

Tonight's top story on Global News, with comments from 3 tenants:
http://www.globaltvbc.com/video/inde...2Zyjy_bv6NWCna

Some snippets (may not be word for word):
"Ghosts will rise up and harass us"
"It's like a ghost town"
"Chinese or other Asians with similar beliefs will not want to buy this property"

:facepalm:
Just because there is a large population of "Chinese and other Asians" in the Lower Mainland doesn't mean they are the only people shopping for real estate here. Her, along with her posse's, crude comments make me cringe - thanks for further worsening the stereotype of Chinese people, bitch. We're trying to make Vancouver a world-class city, yet we have all these narrow-minded individuals with primitive minds. :\

^skip to 14:40 for the story.

the 'property owners' are getting :troll:ed, because they don't actually own the property. The University Endowment Lands are just on lease for 99 years.

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This is what they're afraid of :troll:

omg... those chinese owners saying ghost gonna attack them are so :facepalm:

why can't they just be honest that they are scared of the decrease property value and that they don't want to see a hospice in a residential area

its not like anyone in their right mind want to see a place that reminds them of dying people

I'm in my right mind and it doesn't bother me, besides, it's a UBC so research centers and other commercial buildings are to be expected.

http://www.pac.bluecross.ca/pdf-bin/...-210_rates.pdf

Small, Small price for a Premium.

Hey MindBomber.

Go live next to a Hospice, and tell me how that goes.
I lived at my old house for 5 years. From 4-9.

All you hear at night are people crying. Family members, and the patients themselves. It's not fun.

If they're not scared of looking retarded by talking about ghost attacks on the evening news, chances are the idea of 'decreased property value' doesn't even enter their radar.

I genuinely believe that these people are scared of gwai.

you say it like you wouldn't mind actually living in a hospice

yeah lol they really didn't think this through...
either that they smart enough to use the culture card just to gain some attention. trying to play that race card saying UBC isn't minding cultures

the funny thing is theres no 4 in the building .. no 4th, 14th floor .. the address is 2688... this property was targeted to Asians from the get go... hard to say this property wasn't targeted to Asians in the first place

$125,000 worth of insurance payments is very affordable, especially when you consider that the most comprehensive plan only covers $5000 worth of private nursing care a year.

oh.. and the four days worth of nursing a person could receive can't be used for palliative care.

Is true though a lot of ppl form Asian or even some Canadians, Americans..... do not want to live next to a hospice. The potential market for these apartments will decrease thus, resulting decrease in value.

Beside how can anyone say that the ppl living in the hospice or their friends or relatives won't cry, scream, make noise or bring their unhappiness to the environment?

In the end these people have every right to protest but they use such a lame excuse. What they could have done is complain that the project was never mention to them or there are no notice saying they are going to build a hospice till it is too late or make it sound like UBC is doing this without any considernation of anyone that lives near that area.

:banghead:

i'm currently house hunting and i can relate to the negative impact building a hospice can cause. If you think that property wont devalue when that hospice gets built then sorry but you're ignorant.

people perceive a hospice to relate to death, sorrow, sickness and in extreme cases bad luck. Regardless of race, when people are looking for a place to purchase, the hospice will be one of the major factors to consider before purchasing at that location. it may not be one of YOUR factors but you goddamn better believe it will be one for any prospective buyers. there wont be any proof of devaluation but it will certainly drive off a large chunk of prospective buyers especially with Vancouver's large Asian population.

I found the design for the hospice! From their condo view:

http://www.artsjournal.com/aestheticgrounds/big4b.JPG

:fullofwin:

What can you say when you market to superstitious ppl? Live by the sword, die by it.

wtf that one lady was comparing this to halloween seriously?

It's motherfucking Asians like this that make the rest of us facepalm. It just makes all Asians look like goddamn ignorant morons that only believe in superstition, symbolism and other idiocy. Maybe it's because I was born here in Vancouver and I think just about all Asian (Chinese to be specific) beliefs and superstitions are stupid...but they ARE fucking stupid! If a white person told you they were afraid of the number 13, black cats or ladders, we would all think he's a loony...but apparently it's perfectly fine and somehow worth defending on an internet message board if the subject is Asian.

Ghosts!? Are you serious? Of all things to be complaining about...really?

Chris Rock once said that he loves black people but he fucking hates...



That applies here. I love Chinese food, I enjoy a lot of stuff that we Asians do, the majority of my friends are Asian...but goddammit do I hate these FOBs.

GHOSTS!?

I hope this place gets built and the address is "44444 University Avenue" or something like that.

Seriously? I might understand if it was a cemetery but it's not like these people are parading around and shouting "HEY LOOK AT ME...I'M DYING!"

It really shouldn't matter. There's no way those folks would ever bother anyone and they would probably seldom be outside for prolonged periods of time.

I don't get why the hospice would affect anyone. So the people inside are dying...so what? People die all the time. It's highly unlikely that anyone inside that building would know anyone at the hospice. There should be no emotional response to them dying...I don't get why you think it's depressing. Why would you be sad that someone you don't know is dying?

Do you reach for the phone to donate every time you see African kids dying on TV?

In the end, this will just get build because UBC doesn't give a flying fuck what a bunch of spoiled immigrants say. Hospices are more important and having it in such close proximity to the UBC hospital is a plus.

I understand not wanting to live next to..."undesirable" demographics. I don't want to live in the Olympic Village, for example, with the low income housing crowd or in the DTES. But these are just old people...well, no, the young die too...these are just dying people...how on earth would their being there affect other people in the area?

It's not like they're going to break into your house and steal your TV to pawn off for crack.

You're not going to have to hide yo' kids and hide yo' wife because they rapin' errbody up in here.

They're just dying...they're not going to bother you. If no one knew it was a hospice, it would just be another building and no one inside it would ever influence what happens apart from maybe an ambulance showing up every so often.

For all of us sane people in this thread....

Group buy on cheap, previously Asian-owned condos? :troll:

haha, im chinese and i bet these chinese who bought the house in UBC wanted their kids to be influenced by living in a place that is so close to one of the best school in BC.

its a chinese culture that by living near the school, the kids tends to study more and willing to accept education.

Trust me, im probably 95% right on this.

Since they have these kind of belief in the first place ( surrounding influence one's life), you gotta be damn sure they are upset about a hospice building next to it.... its stupid, but you cant really blame them.

ill provide a well-known Chinese story on top..

"Mencius' mother is often held up as an exemplary female figure in Chinese culture. One of the most famous traditional Chinese four-character idioms is 孟母三遷 (mèng mǔ sān qiān; literal translation: "Mencius' mother, three moves").

This saying refers to the legend that Mencius' mother moved house three times before finding a location that she felt was suitable for the child's upbringing. As an expression, the idiom refers to the importance of finding the proper environment for raising children.

Mencius's father died when he was very young. His mother Zhang (仉) raised her son alone. They were very poor. At first they lived by a cemetery, where the mother found her son imitating the paid mourners in funeral processions. Therefore the mother decided to move. The next house was near a market in the town. There the boy began to imitate the cries of merchants (merchants were despised in early China). So the mother moved to a house next to a school. Inspired by the scholars and students, Mencius began to study. His mother decided to remain, and Mencius became a scholar."

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mencius

Isn't this obvious this goddamn topic is going nowhere? What the fuck are u guys even arguing about?? And ppl, admit it, all of you deep down hate asian in some way. I'm born in Hong Kong but came here when i was 7. To be honest, I hate asians like no others, the fucking retarded clothings, fucking personality, thinks they are coolest etc...i could go on forever. But you guys seems to bash asians for being...too rich? Bash all you want but please, not on the cultural side. I dun give a fuck how you bash asians, cuz in some case, i even agree. But on the cultural side, it's something what we've been taught when we were young. My grandmother died at the end of last year, and we did all the traditional things that were believed to make her "leave peacefully"Believe it or not, there's a way to tell if one left peacefully just by the way how one died.

Respecting someone's cultural beliefs is also the same as having respect for yourself. Don't fuking bash their beliefs just because we are in Canada, you bash them because you speak for yourself, not for the fucking country. Asian's cultural beliefs to us asian aren't just a belief, it's something some of us truly believe in and will be reminded of our love ones.

EDIT: After reading the entire thread, seems like some of you are just bashing because they own a $1 mil condo...seems like it to me. For those owners that are afraid of ghost, they are taking it too far. If you dun offend them, i see no point in them offending you...fuking stubborn asians. But living beside a hospice is a whole new story

That's just one property. Lemme know if you've lived through 50 properties that are placed beside a hospice and non of the resale value dropped because of it.

I ror'd.

Hey I'm giving my experiences from living by one. There are other records showing no depression in property values near other hospices.

Why stop at 50? There are more than 50 units @ Hawthorn Place.

The problem with their argument is that they didn't use "potential" drop in property value as their major reason. Also, that drop in resale value is based on if you were only trying to sell it to someone of Asian background. Too bad that there are others that would move there if given the chance. It's not like if they build a hospice there, your property assessment the next year would show a 25% drop in land value.

If I was living in that building and was against it, I would have organized a committee and properly put out a formal complaint to the UBC board and the media. Don't let a bunch of random residents spout off about ghosts and shit.

Ultimately, there is greater good for the community with having a hospice on UBC grounds than the cons of having some condos sell for a little less. Sorry, but there have been numerous cases of condo owners trying to go up against urban planning/development and you're pretty much shit out of luck.