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01-19-2011, 09:02 AM
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If you say that then why the heck are Catholics so against abortions and divorce and pre marraige sex
They should get with the times and forget about all those things as well then
While we are at it might as well ask the Muslims to start eating pork and non halal meat cause times have changed
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01-19-2011, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by baggdis300  If you say that then why the heck are Catholics so against abortions and divorce and pre marraige sex
They should get with the times and forget about all those things as well then | They should.
The majority of Sikhs in Canada do not wear turbans, like the majority of Catholics are not hard core and hold anti-abortion, homophobia, ... beliefs. It is funny that religion now only represents the few, not the many who are practicing yet choose to ignore many beliefs cause they do not fit into modern society.
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01-19-2011, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by taylor192 They should.
The majority of Sikhs in Canada do not wear turbans, like the majority of Catholics are not hard core and hold anti-abortion, homophobia, ... beliefs. It is funny that religion now only represents the few, not the many who are practicing yet choose to ignore many beliefs cause they do not fit into modern society. | A lot of religions these days are just casual, I don't know many people who follow a religion because its their actual beliefs. Its just so people can identify themselves in society. Religion is and always will be a plague. I have followed both the Sikh and catholic religions in my lifetime and I have seen the same thing from both sides, bending the "rules".
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01-19-2011, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by taylor192 They should.
The majority of Sikhs in Canada do not wear turban | All baptized Sikhs wear turbans.
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01-19-2011, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by taylor192 I have underlined the most often broken tradition by those who want to wear the kirpan. Why is this broken?. | Because people would not hire them if they had a turban on. Many Sikhs who came 40 plus years ago cut there hair so they could put food on the table. Many of those people now have put there turbans back on.
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01-19-2011, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Manic! All baptized Sikhs wear turbans. | So? I could point out many people who will claim they are Sikh yet do not wear a turban.
All your point highlights is the number of people who will wear the kirpan is very small, and we should not be bending security rules to cater to such a minority.
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01-19-2011, 10:48 AM
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Funny how we bitch about the Chinese not wanting a hospice in their backyard, yet most of us are intolerant of Quebecois culture. Having lived there I will be the first to admit that there were a lot of ignorant people in Quebec regarding language. Before I could speak french, I would be damn near abused by mostly low class french. The guy pumping my gas, or the waitress at the local diner for example. Professionals like the ones I was dealing with were always a lot more compassionate.
I'm the first to shit on Quebec's arrogance and intolerance. But that said, they truly believe in their culture, and know that if it's not protected, they're doomed to be like the rest of Canada, who frankly has no culture.
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01-19-2011, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by taylor192 So? I could point out many people who will claim they are Sikh yet do not wear a turban.
All your point highlights is the number of people who will wear the kirpan is very small, and we should not be bending security rules to cater to such a minority. | Lots of people claim there catholic, but how many abstain form having sex or being married?
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01-19-2011, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Manic! Lots of people claim there catholic, but how many abstain form having sex or being married? | Now the next question: are there laws against those choices?
There's laws against carrying weapons. If you want to compare apples-apples, pick a better Catholic belief that is illegal.
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01-19-2011, 11:08 AM
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the kirpan is not a freaking weapon
hell sometimes its just the cover with a handle in it...
or if theres a blade its NOT sharpened at all.
so its no more of a weapon than a spoon.
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01-19-2011, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by baggdis300 the kirpan is not a freaking weapon
hell sometimes its just the cover with a handle in it...
or if theres a blade its NOT sharpened at all.
so its no more of a weapon than a spoon. | Here's a simple test:
1. Walk through airport security with a spoon
2. Walk through airport security with a fake mini sword
Let me know the result.
A weapon is what we distinguish it to be, ie a societal norm. Canadians do not believe we have the right to carry weapons, despite our lack of a distinguishable culture, this is pretty much universally true.
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01-19-2011, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by taylor192 Here's a simple test:
1. Walk through airport security with a spoon
2. Walk through airport security with a fake mini sword
Let me know the result.
A weapon is what we distinguish it to be, ie a societal norm. Canadians do not believe we have the right to carry weapons, despite our lack of a distinguishable culture, this is pretty much universally true. | Are we talking about airports???
Anyways you can bring knives on a plane you just have to put them in checked baggage.
FYI: it is not illegal to carry a knife in Canada.
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01-19-2011, 11:38 AM
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Read it you'll gain something....hopefully http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirpan#Legality
so much fail in here, i just cant... 
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01-19-2011, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Manic! Are we talking about airports???
Anyways you can bring knives on a plane you just have to put them in checked baggage. | Sikhs are required to wear the kirpan, otherwise I completely agree, put it in checked baggage. Much like attending school, leave it at home. Quote:
Originally Posted by Manic! FYI: it is not illegal to carry a knife in Canada. | It is very illegal to carry certain knives in public, and you're welcome to read the Constant Companion law and the references to concealed weapons.
I think this one statement sums it all up: Since 9/11 boxcutters are no longer just boxcutters.
There's been a couple incidents of kirpans used as weapons, in particular at schools that do have 100% knife bans.
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01-19-2011, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by taylor192 Sikhs are required to wear the kirpan, otherwise I completely agree, put it in checked baggage. Much like attending school, leave it at home.
It is very illegal to carry certain knives in public, and you're welcome to read the Constant Companion law and the references to concealed weapons.
I think this one statement sums it all up: Since 9/11 boxcutters are no longer just boxcutters.
There's been a couple incidents of kirpans used as weapons, in particular at schools that do have 100% knife bans. | Here is the Criminal Code definition of a prohibited knife
"prohibited weapon" means
(a) a knife that has a blade that opens automatically by gravity or centrifugal force or by hand pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in or attached to the handle of the knife, or
(b) any weapon, other than a firearm, that is prescribed to be a prohibited weapon;
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01-19-2011, 12:20 PM
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This was a security issue in a montreal highschool a few years back, and the solution was that the kid could wear it but had to keep it in a sealed "envelope" which meant he couldn't get access to the weapon.
Is there any part of the religion which requires you to take the knife out other than during ceremonial rites? If not, why not just put a rivet through the blade and scabbard. Yes, you have a knife. No, you can't ever take it out.
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01-19-2011, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Graeme S This was a security issue in a montreal highschool a few years back, and the solution was that the kid could wear it but had to keep it in a sealed "envelope" which meant he couldn't get access to the weapon.
Is there any part of the religion which requires you to take the knife out other than during ceremonial rites? If not, why not just put a rivet through the blade and scabbard. Yes, you have a knife. No, you can't ever take it out.
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The kirpan is both a defensive weapon and a symbol. Physically it is an instrument of "ahimsa" or non-violence. The principle of ahimsa is to actively prevent violence, not to simply stand by idly whilst violence is being done. To that end, the kirpan is a tool to be used to prevent violence from being done to a defenseless person when all other means to do so have failed. Symbolically, the kirpan represents the power of truth to cut through untruth
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirpan#Legality
It may be necessary to use it in certain circumstances so a "rivet" will not be appropriate...
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01-19-2011, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Graeme S why not just put a rivet through the blade and scabbard. Yes, you have a knife. No, you can't ever take it out.
Problem solved. Posted via RS Mobile | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirpan#Legality
In New York City a compromise was reached with the Board of Education whereby the wearing of the knives was allowed so long as they were secured within the sheaths with adhesives and made impossible to draw.
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Originally Posted by ruthless | Just curious, what's the use of a dull knife in a self-defense?
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Originally Posted by impactX Just curious, what's the use of a dull knife in a self-defense? | The Kirpan is used for many other rituals that Sikhs have to perform in their daily lives. When a Sikh does ardas before the Guru Granth Sahib, the kirpan is used to .... the offering of food (or Kara parshad) to Akal Purakh (Almighty Lord).
Lots of good info here. http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/K...s_not_a_weapon
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01-19-2011, 04:31 PM
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I bet a catering company could bring in all the knives they wanted.
| I am not sure if you are trying to troll or not but either way after reading this comment I now know that you are a fucking idiot.
That is like saying Air Marshals are allowed to carry guns on planes so why can't I.
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Originally Posted by scottsman I am not sure if you are trying to troll or not but either way after reading this comment I now know that you are a fucking idiot. | Go put on some underwear.
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Because people would not hire them if they had a turban on. Many Sikhs who came 40 plus years ago cut there hair so they could put food on the table. Many of those people now have put there turbans back on.
| If they did this then why not take off the Kirpan for a few hours? At least no one cut thier head off.
Hey I think some more Tamils are headed this way..... you better get to the docks and welcome them in illegally.
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I've been doing research for a bit - haven't found much on assaults with a Kirpan in Canada. The only one the one in Brampton outside a Gurdwara. I found one about a kid who allegedly pulled it out and threatened his bullies - but the only witnesses were the 2 kids bullying him - and the judge said he only used his hairpin.
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