Genuine curiosity, I have no idea how this works in sikh culture.

The wiki says some kirpans are three feet long, but typically Canadian ones are three or so inches; is there a prohibition from owning two kirpans? One daily-use one that would be permanently secured, and another to be work to Temple or for other ceremonies?
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lol honestly, a devoted sikh will NOT pull the knife on just anyone for any reason.

they are extremely ANTI violence.

if anything id be more worried about some redneck white guy that carries a knife on his waist than a religious person.

So how did the Scotts get here?

No one wears a 3 foot long Kirpans for daily use and you can own as many as
you want. Some just wear tiny ones around the neck.

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/attach...n-necklace.jpg

Just for laughs

^:haha:at the fat guy trying to be diplomatic at the end.

"And we haven't signed the Constitution of Canada because it contains this notion of multiculturalism. I think we can be different."-Quebec

Quebec needs to be put in its place. Abide by the same rules as the rest of Canada if you wanna piece of the pie or gtfo. Honestly a sharp pencil is as much of a weapon as a kirpan. Quebec was just making a statement with this incident. They dont want multiculturalism and frankly I they don't deserve it.

What really bugs me is mandatory french for the rest of canada in school. It should be optional at most.

Wait, Quebec didn't sign the constitution? Just kick them out then. BC could use all those incentives that are sent to Quebec.

Or just kick them out, then we invade and conquer them. They're French, should be easy :p

Manic! why does everything you say reference unrelated events in history that have nothing to do with what is happening today? What does it matter how Scottish people came to Canada? That has nothing to do with illegal immigration from Sri Lanka. How does comparing what went on in India prove a point with what is the present reality in Canada?

I am actually interested to know how you think these prove your point.

My reference to India is that Sikhs would rather die than be forced to remove there articles of faith.

please reference these mass beheadings.

Alberta got the influx of East Asian and Indian immigrants much more recently (as opposed to, say BC), with an already existing European minority population. It's not that hard to understand. The good news is, my ex is from Alberta and she says it's gotten much better since 5-10 years ago.

this is why I hate quebec !
and because we have to learn french

here you go you ignorant fuck

http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/G..._Singh_Bahadur

example of someone who would rather be scalped than cut his hair and renounce his religion:

Bhai Taru Singh ji
Bhai Taru Singh ji was a resident of village Puhle in Amritsar. He provided hospitality to Sikhs who happened to be passing by, and would get Langar (free kitchen) prepared and distributed to Sikhs living in the jungles. In those days there would rewards for those who led to arrest of Sikhs. Someone, in the want of such reward gave the establishment information on Bhai Taru Singh ji and he got arrested. He was asked to give up Sikhism, but to him Sikhism was dearer than his life - he refused. He was lured and tortured but he feared nothing, and the Mughals were unsuccessful in making him give up his ideals. Punishment was announced, which was that his hair would be shorn - but he refused to allow his hair to be dishonored. The heartless people removed his skull using saws. He became a martyr, but did not allow his hair to be dishonored. Bhai Taru Singh lived up to his Sikh requirements by not getting his hair shaved.

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heres some other examples of why baptised sikhs are reluctant to give up their kirpan (graphic photos)

if all the sheep in this world were able to realize that they themselves are idiots and that the religions they follow are fucking retarded and completely pointless, the world would be a much better place.

^
Thanks for today's moment of mental masturbation.

If the Kirpan is 'not a weapon' and strictly symbolic, why not simply reduce it down to a symbolic knife on a necklace and call it a day?

^^In Sikhism, the Kirpan and weapon do not even belong in the same sentence. Because of the western society, the Sikh's have been forced to defend the Kirpan as not being a "weapon" for their sake. If people actually knew the true meaning behind SIKHISM, then the Kirpan would not even be an issue in today's society. At the end of the day, reducing it down to "symbolic knife" will still be considered "a weapon" by the ignorant.

The bigger issue here is that the Quebec legislature will always do things differently just to create difference within their legislature and the rest of Canada. And to be honest, Quebec can go fuk themselves (except GSP and Scwartz).

Then why not simply have two, as I suggested? One permanently secured for public use, and another that can be taken out for ceremonial use?

Almost all religions find some kind of compromise, though admittedly not all in the same way or the same type. Can't we work to try and find one here?
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That's great. But the rest of the world sees knifes as a possible weapon.

I disagree. Symbolic knife worn around the neck cannot seen as a weapon.

You would think so but not everyone has common sense.

The Kirpan ban is not about safety but about discrimination.

LOL the Sikhs back in the day are way different that now. These fuckin young SIKHs (Post 80 generation) drinks, smoke weed, sling drugs while at the same time wearing a fucking turban. HYPOCRITES!

Really? How can you prove that?

The kirban, a ceremonial knife, is preventing them from entering the National Assembly... not their skin colour or religion.

Common sense dictates that you don't bring potentially dangerous objects into discussions that can occasionally get very heated.

Why does asking for a reference to these beheadings make me ignorant? Someone made reference to something in History and I am only trying to learn more about it... I tried googling these events in history but with no luck.. Only trying to understand the discussion better.

Penis Head.

Manic! was comparing these beheadings to modern day situations. If this took place recently then perhaps it could be relevant.... 200 years ago, not so much.

Because Sikh members of Parliament have been wearing them for years in Ottawa buy the Bloc yesterday proposed a law banning them.


The national assembly’s decision to prevent access to people carrying the kirpan is completely legitimate,” said Bloc whip Claude DeBellefeuille in a statement.

Read more: http://www.nationalpost.com/news/can...#ixzz1Bdf0Hy4Y


Look how they just talk about the Kirpan and not knives in general.

:Orly:

That's quite the statement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikh_extremism

I bet the ones that bombed Air India thought they were devoted Sikhs...

But they did not use there kirpans. :troll: