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Can someone enlighten me as to what the allure of the NSX is? Their styling is cool but when it comes to bang-for-the-buck performance they aren't very good. A 290hp V6 is nothing to write home about and for $65,000 there are a lot of cars that would destroy an NSX. I see NSX's once in a while so they're not ultra-rare. What's the deal?
The NSX is a driving machine. It's not about ultimate power or straightline speed, but the driving experience, which was unmatched for years.
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Because HP is not all that matters. The original car was designed with input from race car drivers, like Andretti (sp) and when you sit in one, it just feels right. In 1991, an NSX was quite respectable among supercars and it was thousands less.
An NSX is basically a street-legal F1 car: aluminum body panels, high-revving engine, etc.
I'm pretty sure Michael or Mario Andretti had nothing to do with the NSX. I know that they have both raced in NSX's though.
Ayrton Senna had a major role in the development of the car.
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20 years ago I'd have probably agreed with you, I can understand the nostalgic attraction of it now. But I guess for me nostalgia doesn't carry much intrinsic value because I think you have to fucking nuts to spend the kind of money people are asking for these cars. But to each their own, thanks for the lesson
Yeah when my dad got his 993 back in 95 which is an amazing driving machine might I add it was only slightly more expensive than the RX7's and a heck of a lot cheaper than the NSX, it was pretty much a no brainer. NSX does look better but it also looks more boy racer and I honestly wouldn't think a 70 year old wouldn't look too good in it.
If thats what makes an f1 car then evo's are a 4 door f1 car.
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Because HP is not all that matters. The original car was designed with input from race car drivers, like Andretti (sp) and when you sit in one, it just feels right. In 1991, an NSX was quite respectable among supercars and it was thousands less.
An NSX is basically a street-legal F1 car: aluminum body panels, high-revving engine, etc.
If ever there was an asian Marco, he would tell you the nsx is all about the "feel".
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Can someone enlighten me as to what the allure of the NSX is? Their styling is cool but when it comes to bang-for-the-buck performance they aren't very good. A 290hp V6 is nothing to write home about and for $65,000 there are a lot of cars that would destroy an NSX. I see NSX's once in a while so they're not ultra-rare. What's the deal?
I know about NSX exclusivity and legendary history and all
but for the same price I would rather get a GT3 instead won't you??
you say that like price is the only limiting factor and you pick the best car within it
When you're in the market for a car like this, its probably a 3rd car, and if you're looking at a $65k NSX, you're probably comfortable to spend a reasonable bit more or less. But it probably doesnt matter what other cars fit that price range, because you're looking for an NSX.
You dont go car shopping and end up with an NSX. You go NSX shopping and end up with an ear to ear smile
Also, not many people would know this unless they were a devoted follower of this car. NSX still continue to do well on circuit/track day racing even being 21 years old. It just need some tuner love and can still give modern cars spanking.
Many people unfortunately are ignorant about the capability of this old car. Case in point:
Lastly in professional racing, this car won the 2009 GT500 class versus many modern race car.
Meanwhile in UK, this machine competes in Britcar Championship. There are many stock bodied car like this one running around with TODA/Mugen/Comptech/SOS stroked Naturally Aspirated motors putting out in excess of 450hp matched to a 2800lb/1200kg body and the results has to be said are amazing even by today's standards just like 997 GT3. The tuner base for NSX is huge as well, many professional racing firm support the NSX as well as countless big marques. The NSX community is a very special and unique crowd.
I am sure I left out many, especially in Japan where this 21 year old platform when given proper power and tuning can outshine many of their modern rivals.
The same cannot be said for many 21 years old car. I don't see many 348 tuned or F355 that can compete relatively well with modern cars. Not trying to discredit those wonderful machine but trying to put things into perspective. The original 280hp self governed limited in hindsight was the NSX's major drawback and the fact that Honda was overly stubborn in the quest to update the car compare to its rivals
Even if Honda made another NSX, its hard to say for sure it will be as great as the original, which is why maybe Honda is so uncommitted about building a new one due to past legacy and the obligation to outdo it.
Can you imagine telling people this is basically a 21 years old car?
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First off, I don't hate the NSX. I don't cream my jeans when I see one, but I don't hate it.
That said, you deserve a big fat fail for most of this post. I'll leave the videos aside; there is enough debate about the validity of BM vids, not to mention the fact that in most cases, apples aren't being compared with apples.
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Also, not many people would know this unless they were a devoted follower of this car. NSX still continue to do well on circuit/track day racing even being 21 years old. It just need some tuner love and can still give modern cars spanking.
Tuner love? WTF. You've posted three outlandish examples:
So, add FI, change the fundamental layout of the car, including something that appears to be a semi-tube frame and you're all set. Yeah, that's sure faithful to the original. That's not tuner love, that's a lot of custom fab work which involves a shitload of time, money, skill and patience... not exactly what you can get by going to your local Ricer's Edge shop.
Lastly in professional racing, this car won the 2009 GT500 class versus many modern race car.
How much do you think a GT500 car resembles a roadcar? It's about as close to zero as one can get... for example, do you really think the SC430 raced in JGTC has anything to do with the roadgoing dentistmobile?
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I am sure I left out many, especially in Japan where this 21 year old platform when given proper power and tuning can outshine many of their modern rivals.
The same cannot be said for many 21 years old car. I don't see many 348 tuned or F355 that can compete relatively well with modern cars. Not trying to discredit those wonderful machine but trying to put things into perspective.
Nooo... throw money at most any old performance car and you'll get pretty decent performance. You want to TT a 355? This is the first google result:
the fanboyism in this thread is at an all-time RS high
For those of us old enough to remember the NSX being released, we're reminded of the feeling we got the first time we saw one. I came from a strong Ferrari family, and when they saw the first NSX commercial that mentioned the Italians they weren't too pleased.
"The japanese can't build a car like Ferrari can". Of course they failed to mention that their Ferrari's needed expensive parts and had to be serviced by a man wearing white.
When the NSX came out it was a technological marvel. The problem is, the rest of the world caught up the the NSX, and it suddenly became an overpriced, underpowered import. They were, and still are great cars.
When the NSX came out it was a technological marvel. The problem is, the rest of the world caught up the the NSX, and it suddenly became an overpriced, underpowered import. They were, and still are great cars.
no i understand, i'm younger but i truly appreciate the NSX and it's probably the best japanese sports car even today (arguably LFA is better/ more unique). I just simply pointed some fanboyism that was already apparent in many of the more recent NSX threads (which understandably has been popping up more frequently since it's the 20th anniversary..just felt like i was listening to a broken record that's all)
For those of us old enough to remember the NSX being released, we're reminded of the feeling we got the first time we saw one. I came from a strong Ferrari family, and when they saw the first NSX commercial that mentioned the Italians they weren't too pleased.
"The japanese can't build a car like Ferrari can". Of course they failed to mention that their Ferrari's needed expensive parts and had to be serviced by a man wearing white.
Everyone was ripping on the Italians back then. "If it were any slower, it'd be a Ferrari"... Remember that line from the old print ads for the MR2 Turbo?
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no i understand, i'm younger but i truly appreciate the NSX and it's probably the best japanese sports car even today (arguably LFA is better/ more unique). I just simply pointed some fanboyism that was already apparent in many of the more recent NSX threads (which understandably has been popping up more frequently since it's the 20th anniversary..just felt like i was listening to a broken record that's all)
You do have a point, and by no means was I trying to rip you for it. Compared to modern day commuters though, the NSX has shown it's age. I mean, 270-290hp?!? That's what Odysseys come with!
When it came out, it not only performed well, but also showed that the asian car makers had come a long way from the days of the civic and accord. It slapped the Italians, Germans, and Brits in their collective faces. That in itself was worthy of respect.
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Everyone was ripping on the Italians back then. "If it were any slower, it'd be a Ferrari"... Remember that line from the old print ads for the MR2 Turbo?
The asian car makers were killing it in the late 80's and 90's!
I'm loving all the fails from the butthurt fanboys. Way to represent the NSX enthusiast by just failing posts rather than presenting good arguments and educating me like Fairlady Z.
I'm loving all the fails from the butthurt fanboys. Way to represent the NSX enthusiast by just failing posts rather than presenting good arguments and educating me like Fairlady Z.
Fucking :noob:'s
Because the only fail here is you. Everybody is a fanboy of something. I'm pretty sure that there's something in this world that you marvel at that a contingent in this world thinks otherwise.
Stop trying to sound sanctimonious with the "educate me card." If it's not your taste, it's just not your thing. I'm not a big fan of camaros despite it's huge advantage in power between the cars that I like but that doesn't make me nor others like me any less educated about cars in general or "only-like-cars-who-have-fanboy-appeal." The only idiot here is you. People aren't failing you because you refuse to sway to their justifications. People fail you because they're trying to make you understand that there's more into admiring cars than just engineering statistics. Yet you fail to grasp that.
Fuck, you're an avionics geek. What if I told you P51 Mustangs are crap and ugly (because my point of reference are f-14s; the plane that got me into liking airplanes), I'm pretty sure there will be a contingent who will disagree with my opinion; and their justification goes far beyond what that plane can do on a stats sheet; it goes to what that plane means to them which is subjective for everyone
edit: I actually dig P51's. But I was just trying to make a point.
What if I told you P51 Mustangs are crap and ugly (because my point of reference are f-14s; the plane that got me into liking airplanes), I'm pretty sure there will be a contingent who will disagree with my opinion; and their justification goes far beyond what that plane can do on a stats sheet; it goes to what that plane means to them which is subjective for everyone
Absolutely and that was the point of my asking what the obsession was with NSX's. Fairlady Z explained and now I understand and have a lot more respect for the car. It's got quite the historical significance for Honda much like my favourite old car the F40 had for Ferrari. I can appreciate the NSX as much now... almost
PS - I'd have explained the significance of the P51 to you if you our roles were reversed rather than fail you blindly for asking a legitimate question
PS - I'd have explained the significance of the P51 to you if you our roles were reversed rather than fail you blindly for asking a legitimate question
That's the thing though. It goes beyond explanation. What if a person marvels at avionics because of the pure sexiness of the modernization of aircraft (thinking of gen 5 planes). You can explain, put on a puppet show, youtube documentary over documentary why P51 mustangs are bad ass but a person who falls in love with planes for a different reason will never see eye to eye with those who who have far more appreciation to the classics.
IMO, I think that's what you were failing to see with the NSX despite the multitude of users telling you "individually" what the NSX each represented to them.
Now because Fairlady Z gave you a reason that you most can relate to (your values) doesn't mean that the values most intrinsic to others isn't any less valid. Hence why I think it was unfair to label people fanboys when you didn't agree (or perhaps understood) to the reason why each invidually held the NSX to a high regard.
I use fanboys as a joking term for people who blindly support something. I don't think the people that failed me actually read my posts or questions which were initially presented in a non-argumentative manner. I was never bashing the NSX as a bad car but they took my mis-understanding of the cars value as an attack.
Anyways, I understand your point. And as I said previously "to each their own"
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