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Old 08-16-2012, 07:22 PM   #26
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Old 08-17-2012, 07:36 PM   #27
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i wave to everyone...even to harleys...you'd be surprised how many of them will wave back at you. How do you know that they're hesitating of waving first cause they're scared of not being waved back? :P
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Old 08-18-2012, 09:10 AM   #28
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I always wave regardless of motorcycle type. The stereotype will always be there but most will wave back. There is the odd time I don't notice another rider waving cause im watching for cagers though
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Old 08-18-2012, 09:56 AM   #29
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I've gotten white abit of nods or waves when I was on my Ruckus. I usually see a wave or nod then next thing I see is their tail lights
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I wave to everyone but it really seems no harley likes to wave back and you can tell the type of person that waves.

I do the stay on two sign =P
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Old 09-10-2012, 11:10 AM   #31
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I have always given the wave since I started riding (many years ago..hah) I also noticed the brand vs propensity to wave thing, but ever since I started riding my Hypermotard I seem to be as invisible as a scooter! Twice this year I stopped in my car to see if a biker needed help, It is a natural reaction I guess.
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i try to wave whenever i see other bikers but sometimes i dont see them until its to late and feel like a douche ahah

most sport bikes will wave but the only time that i get waves from the cruiser type was when i was going up to mount baker maybe the odd one around town will wave back but 95% of the time they dont
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I feel like an idiot when I wave, then as the other rider nears I realize that it's a scooter. LOL
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i did this the other day and was laughing so hard....at myself =]

have you guys ever had a car wave at you?? had this happened to me the other day and was didn't know what to think lol
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i did this the other day and was laughing so hard....at myself =]

have you guys ever had a car wave at you?? had this happened to me the other day and was didn't know what to think lol
Haven't had anyone in a car wave but there have been a shit load of times where i'll be in my car with windows down arm hanging out, out of instinct i'll throw out a wave randomly to passing rider. Always LOL to myself after I realize .
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Old 09-14-2012, 10:07 PM   #37
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I made an effort to wave at every bike I could today for an unofficial test... 0 return waves out of 12... not a good day for the brotherhood

This was from Vancouver to poco via hastings/barnet, I am not waving like a nutball but I do the subtle low rubber side down one.
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i did this the other day and was laughing so hard....at myself =]

have you guys ever had a car wave at you?? had this happened to me the other day and was didn't know what to think lol
What do you ride? I've done it a few times driving the car with the windows open, it's a force of habit i guess haha. I did it a few days ago in vancouver, nanaimo and granview. Dope XS400 or 650 with a Sportster tank


I really like the original post by the way. He embodied what I wanted to say about the comradery. It's not about needing a friend, it's knowing that person is a friend already.

By the way, I ride a bobberish type of bike and I notice sportbike guys wave the most but everyone but Harleys usually waves.

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Sportbike 90%
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i ride a 250 tons of fun in the city, highway not so much.
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What do you ride? I've done it a few times driving the car with the windows open, it's a force of habit i guess haha. I did it a few days ago in vancouver, nanaimo and granview. Dope XS400 or 650 with a Sportster tank


I really like the original post by the way. He embodied what I wanted to say about the comradery. It's not about needing a friend, it's knowing that person is a friend already.

By the way, I ride a bobberish type of bike and I notice sportbike guys wave the most but everyone but Harleys usually waves.

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Sportbike 90%
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Scooter 0.0002%
I always get the biggest urged to wave at motorcyclists when im in my car, always like this
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I wave to everyone on 2 wheels. Minus electric scooters and bicycles and squids. I do it because I acknowledge their existence and love for open air riding like myself. I pulled up to a vino one time at the rail road crossing and he looked intimidated. I just flipped helmet up and said hi and we talked about stupid trains haha. Reach out, you'll never know what interesting people you will meet.
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I found that sport bikes wouldn't wave to me so I stopped waving. I rarely saw motards so I didn't ever wave at them. Harley riders thought I was riding a Harley (I was riding a metric cruiser) so I almost got a little love.

The only time I got a cold shoulder was when I was at the traffic light in Coquitlam and this guy on one of those expensive OCC-style monstrosities stuck his plastic surgery-shaped nose in the air, ignored me, and put a perfectly manicured hand on his throttle before riding away.
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Any occ type bike, they gotta wave first haha. Ever since I read this post I've made a point to wave at every single rider. What I've found is scooters and Motards are the ones that wave back the least!
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Any occ type bike, they gotta wave first haha. Ever since I read this post I've made a point to wave at every single rider. What I've found is scooters and Motards are the ones that wave back the least!
Motards I get not always waving back... too busy on one wheel drifto madness!
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you got a 796 or 1100? i totally regret not getting the 1100
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you got a 796 or 1100? i totally regret not getting the 1100
Totally bought the 796 over the 1100... the slipper/wet clutch sold it in a heartbeat, way easier to ride as an urban assault vehicle. Its not a cruise missile but I didn't want one of those.
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By Tom Ruttan
CYCLE CANADA - APRIL 2002

The bike's passenger seat swept up just enough that I could see over my father's shoulders. That seat was my throne. My dad and I traveled many backroads, searching for the ones we had never found before. Traveling these roads just to see where they went. Never in a rush. Just be home for supper.

I remember wandering down a back road with my father, sitting on my throne watching the trees whiz by, feeling the rumble of our bike beneath us like a contented giant cat. A motorcycle came over a hill toward us and as it went by, my father threw up his gloved clutch hand and gave a little wave. The other biker waved back with the same friendly swing of his left wrist.

I tapped my father on his shoulder, which was our signal that I wanted to say something. He cocked his helmeted ear back slightly while keeping his eyes ahead.

I yelled, "Do we know him?"
'What?" he shouted.
"You waved to him. Who was it?"
"I don't know. Just another guy on a bike. So I waved."
"How come?"
"You just do. It's important."

Later, when we had stopped for chocolate ice cream, I asked why it was important to wave to other bikers. My father tried to explain how the wave demonstrated comradeship and a mutual understanding of what it was to enjoy riding a motorcycle. He looked for the words to describe how almost all bikers struggled with the same things like cold, rain, heat, car drivers who did not see them, but how riding remained an almost pure pleasure.

I was young then and I am not sure that I really understood what he was trying to get across, but it was a beginning. Afterward, I always waved along with my father when we passed other bikers.

I remember one cold October morning when the clouds were heavy and dark, giving us another clue that winter was riding in from just over the horizon. My father and I were warm inside our car as we headed to a friend's home. Rounding a comer, we saw a motorcycle parked on the shoulder of the road. Past the bike, we saw the rider walking through the ditch, scouring the long grasses crowned with a touch of frost. We pulled over and backed up to where the bike stood.

I asked Dad, "Who's that?"
"Don't know," he replied. "But he seems to have lost something. Maybe we can give him a hand."

We left the car and wandered through the tall grass of the ditch to the biker. He said that he had been pulling on his gloves as he rode and he had lost one. The three of us spent some time combing the ditch, but all we found were two empty cans and a plastic water bottle.

My father turned and headed back to our car and I followed him. He opened the trunk and threw the cans and the water bottle into a small cardboard box that we kept for garbage. He rummaged through various tools, oil containers and windshield washer fluid until he found an old crumpled pair of brown leather gloves. Dad straightened them out and handed them to me to hold. He continued looking until he located an old catalogue. I understood why my dad had grabbed the gloves. I had no idea what he was going to do with the catalogue. We headed back to the biker who was still walking the ditch.

My dad said, "Here's some gloves for you. And I brought you a catalogue as well."
"Thanks," he replied. I really appreciate it." He reached into his hip pocket and withdrew a worn black wallet.
"Let me give you some money for the gloves," he said as he slid some bills out.
"No thanks," my dad replied as I handed the rider the gloves. "They're old and not worth anything anyway."
The biker smiled. "Thanks a lot." He pulled on the old gloves and then he unzipped his jacket. I watched as my father handed him the catalogue and the biker slipped it inside his coat. He jostled his jacket around to get the catalogue sitting high and centered under his coat and zipped it up. I remember nodding my head at the time, finally making sense of why my dad had given him the catalogue. It would keep him a bit warmer. After wishing the biker well, my father and I left him warming up his bike.

Two weeks later, the biker came to our home and returned my father's gloves. He had found our address on the catalogue. Neither my father nor the biker seemed to think that my father stopping at the side of the road for a stranger and giving him a pair of gloves, and that stranger making sure that the gloves were returned, were events at all out of the ordinary for people who rode motorcycles. For me, it was another subtle lesson.

It was spring the next year when I was sitting high on my throne, watching the farm fields slip by when I saw two bikes coming towards us. As they rumbled past, both my father and I waved, but the other bikers kept their sunglasses locked straight ahead and did not acknowledge us. I remember thinking that they must have seen us because our waves were too obvious to miss. Why hadn't they waved back? I thought all bikers waved to one another.

I patted my father on his shoulder and yelled, "How come they didn't wave to us?"
"Don't know. Sometimes they don't."

I remember feeling very puzzled. Why wouldn't someone wave back?

Later that summer, I turned 12 and learned how to ride a bike with a clutch. I spent many afternoons on a country laneway beside our home, kicking and kicking to start my father's '55 BSA. When it would finally sputter to a start, my concentration would grow to a sharp focus as I tried to let out the clutch slowly while marrying it with just enough throttle to bring me to a smooth takeoff. More often, I lurched and stumbled forward while trying to keep the front wheel straight and remember to pick my feet up. A few feet farther down the lane, I would sigh and begin kicking again.

A couple of years later, my older brother began road racing, and I became a racetrack rat. We spent many weekends wandering to several tracks in Ontario-Harewood, Mosport and eventually Shannonville. These were the early years of two-stroke domination, of Kawasaki green and 750 two-stroke triples, of Yvon Duhamel's cat-and-mouse games and the artistry of Steve Baker.

Eventually, I started to pursue interests other than the race track. I got my motorcycle licence and began wandering the backroads on my own. I found myself stopping along sideroads if I saw a rider sitting alone, just checking to see if I could be of help. And I continued to wave to each biker I saw.

But I remained confused as to why some riders never waved back. It left me with almost a feeling of rejection, as if I were reaching to shake someone's hand but they kept their arm hanging by their side.

I began to canvass my friends about waving. I talked with people I met at bike events, asking what they thought. Most of the riders told me they waved to other motorcyclists and often initiated the friendly air handshake as they passed one another.

I did meet some riders, though, who told me that they did not wave to other riders because they felt that they were different from other bikers. They felt that they were "a breed apart." One guy told me in colourful language that he did not "wave to no wusses.'' He went on to say that his kind of bikers were tough, independent, and they did not require or want the help of anyone, whether they rode a bike or not.

I suspected that there were some people who bought a bike because they wanted to purchase an image of being tougher, more independent, a not-putting-up-with-anyone's-crap kind of person, but I did not think that this was typical of most riders.

People buy bikes for different reasons. Some will be quick to tell you what make it is, how much they paid for it, or how fast it will go. Brand loyalty is going to be strong for some people whether they have a Harley, Ford, Sony, Nike or whatever. Some people want to buy an image and try to purchase another person's perception of them. But it can't be done. They hope that it can, but it can't.

Still, there is a group of people who ride bikes who truly are a "breed apart." They appreciate both the engineering and the artistry in the machines they ride. Their bikes become part of who they are and how they define themselves to themselves alone.

They don't care what other people think. They don't care if anyone knows how much they paid for their bike or how fast it will go. The bike means something to them that nothing else does. They ride for themselves and not for anyone else. They don't care whether anyone knows they have a bike. They may not be able to find words to describe what it means to ride, but they still know. They might not be able to explain what it means to feel the smooth acceleration and the strength beneath them. But they understand.

These are the riders who park their bikes, begin to walk away and then stop. They turn and took back. They see something when they look at their bikes that you might not. Something more complex, something that is almost secret, sensed rather than known. They see their passion. They see a part of themselves.

These are the riders who understand why they wave to other motorcyclists. They savour the wave. It symbolizes the connection between riders, and if they saw you and your bike on the side of the road, they would stop to help and might not ask your name. They understand what you are up against every time you take your bike on the road-the drivers that do not see you, the ones that cut you off or tailgate you, the potholes that hide in wait. The rain. The cold.

I have been shivering and sweating on a bike for more than 40 years. Most of the riders that pass give me a supportive wave. I love it when I see a younger rider on a "crotch rocket" scream past me and wave. New riders carrying on traditions.

And I will continue in my attempts to get every biker just a little closer to one another with a simple wave of my gloved clutch hand. And if they do not wave back when I extend my hand into the breeze as I pass them, I will smile a little more. They may be a little mistaken about just who is a "breed apart."


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