Thought I might leave this here. It makes a great propaganda piece :D

Great. Good to know your making an informed decision based on the fact that your NDP candidate made a good impression with their knowledge of your specific specialty area of study. He must be trustworthy!

Hell if any candidate could engage me in a 5 minute conversation about my life, I'd give them the right to represent my money, my decisions AND possibly the whole country!

Harpers scared to debate Ignatieff 1 on 1

Harper come on and


and do it.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/can...890/story.html

Did I state I was voting on a personal appearance alone or suggest I was voting for one party over another? No, I was simply saying I appreciate the appearance more than the massive amounts of junk mail and a waste of paper I've received from the Conservative candidate. It is your behaviour in responding to my post which seems more likely that of someone who would make brash, hasty decisions.

those into politics:

can someone, in an unbiased, concise way, break down for me in point form liberals vs. conservatives, in terms of their stances on taxes and credits for middle income?

I'd really like to see a debate between Harper and Ignatieff.
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That's a very hard thing to do, yet here are some highlights:

Taxes:
Liberals will roll back the corporate tax decrease scheduled. They need to to pay for their campaign promises. They opposed the GST reduction, and may need to pursue something like this to fund their campaign promises that total $8B (corporate tax cuts are ~$4B).

Conservatives started the corporate tax cuts, and now we have one of the lowest corporate taxes in the first world. The reasoning is that businesses invest more in tax advantaged places. If it works, we end up with more business, more jobs, thus more corporate and income tax, and the tax cuts are offset by new income.

Credits:
Liberals are giving out all kinds of money in the $8B family values spending. Students, those who stay home to care for a sick relative, those performing home renovations, ... will all get extra $$$.

Conservatives are not really promising anything. We're running deficits for the next 4 years, so what promises they are making are for when the budget is balanced, ie no deficit. They have some interesting promises, yet it remains to be seen if the deficit can be eliminated, especially if they do not get a majority and have to continue spending to satisfy the opposition.

Yet please don't take just my word, do your own research. I am biased to the Conservatives, yet tried to give an unbiased view - yet it will have some bias :)

^thanks man! what about for individual, rather than corporate taxation??

also can anyone recommend an unbiased website which breaks down each pqrty's stances? i wish tv ads were informative rather than attacking ppl for personal shit i dont care about
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My post highlights both corporate and income taxes. Summed up, all the parties except the Conservatives are offering some sort of incentive that will have to be paid for. That either means higher deficits, or higher taxes. The Conservatives are offering tax incentives to individuals, yet only once the budget is balanced, and they need a majority to do that sooner.

The fitness tax credit for adults offered by the Conservatives is interesting to me, since I have more than $500 of fitness spending each year. The income splitting even more interesting for me and other high earners - yet actually doesn't benefit much of the middle class.

The NDP have so far not offered a lot, and people are criticizing Layton for it, saying his health is affecting the campaign. The CC rate issue has already been covered in this thread.

As for places to get info without bias - stay tuned to this. So far much of the campaign material has been posted, with bias both for and against. Its hard not to get any bias, especially from the media, so it is important to balance the bias for and against. The Globe and Mail and CBC are both left leaning, while the National Post is right leaning. I tend to read them all so I get a balance of opinions.

I might vote NDP

http://www.ndp.ca/press/new-democrat...o-scrap-senate

a big reason why you shouldn't vote conservative

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cana...nomy-1029.html

Essentially everything that I feel is stated here from another website

A big reason why you SHOULD vote Conservative.

1. The Conservatives have a huge donation money making machine.
2. The Liberals are a close second.
3. Who cares about the PQ.
4. The vote subsidy benefits the Green party the most - yet last election when May was bounced from the debate, guess what happened? The Green party averaged > $100K/day in donations, generating more than the vote subsidy.
5. The NDP I don't care about, so someone will have to look it up and post it. My guess is they have a mix of wealthy hippy/yuppy people willing to donate, and a bunch of poor people incapable of donating.

Thus for 3 of 5 parties, the vote subsidy doesn't really matter, and none of us care if the PQ benefits.

The reasons to end it are:
1. The parties that lose the election can essentially remain in campaign mode cause they get money right after the election. This means if we end up with another minority - guess what? The opposition can gear up for another untimely election sooner than later.
2. It is your tax dollars and we're in a deficit.
3. Most of the parties have no issue raising funds without the subsidy.

What a load of crap. The NDP have had their chance to vote for Senate term limits that the Conservatives introduced, which would make the upper chamber more fair as it would turn over more often. The Conservatives also support an elected Senate, rather than the appointed Senate of today.

All the NDP has to do is support the Conservatives on these measures and they'd be done already - so they can go to hell for being hypocrites.

Please do your research instead of reading crap that is wrong. The deficit spending is to appease the opposition and avoid elections. Go back to each year and see how the opposition hated the budget unless it included spending.

The Conservatives have promised no new spending until the deficit is gone - while the Liberals have promised to spend $8B of money we do not have, or at least $4B if corporate tax rates are rolled back. The Conservatives are the sound fiscal choice right now... sadly followed by the NDP. The Liberals are as bad as the PQ right now.

You can't look at numbers like that. The entire western world went into a huge recession - are you expecting us to still be in the black? We weathered through the recession quite well - but now is the time to bounce back.

I personally don't think the Liberals with their plans to spend money, and put corporate taxes back up will help anybody. We want companies to open up here... There's a reason why a lot of people move to the states for work...

right right. You mean companies like GE who made something like 20 billion in the USA but paid 0 tax to the USA?

Give me a break.

green ftw.

study high, take exam high, get high marks

Do you think they would move anywhere else if they have to pay taxes?
There's a reason many US companies are headquartered in Delaware, and why many companies funnel profit through Iceland/Ireland/... low taxes.

Welcome to a global world, stop thinking small potatoes.

harper govt time line. goes to nov 2010 only.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1880078/

Tool, you may care about what you bolded, yet most Canadians do not - you don't even hear these issues being brought up by the opposition cause they know it too.

Layton's latest promise: doubling CPP.

This means doubling what we pay into it, and now finding twice the means to keep it solvent. Good thing they will never win.

Did anyone else feel bothered by the fact the Conservatives simply ordered the restart of a nuclear reactor despite reports that it was old and unsafe???

Why do they even bother with safety reports on things like this?

If anyone wants to know the details of the liberal platform, and the costing sheet for paying it, it's all available now online.

http://www.liberal.ca/platform/

I know the Green's fully costed platform is also available. I wish to heck that Elizabeth Mae would join the liberals, despite her being in a tiny party she's still the most credible and intelligent of the party leaders.

Not sure about the Conservatives and NDP as of yet.

As for CPP - The Con's increased what we pay into CPP and what ever party comes into power will have to do the same. As increasingly Canadians are pushed out of the housing market, they're going into retirement with out and tangible equity and fewer RRSPs and on top of all that, living longer, meaning more and more people are relying on their CPP and the further income top ups to survive in old age. The rates we're paying now are more to sustain us from 65 to 70-75, not into our 90s.

Layton's actually being surprisingly reasonable and honest with his assessment.

Adds Correction - NDP went up this morning

http://www.ndp.ca/platform

Still no Conservative Platform.

Excuse me. The Con's increased our debt PRIOR to the recession.