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boogabooga 04-17-2011 11:20 PM

Vancouver club scene is just a bad experience. When was the last time you went to a club that went smoothly? Theres too many barriers to break down to have a great night. Lineup waiting to get in only to be denied because Im not a female or with too many dudes or having to grease the bouncer. Ever increasing cover, mandatory coat checks + tips. Rowdy peeps who cant handle there liquor. Fight break outs. Walking out of the club without getting shot at. I quit the scene along time ago. Nothing beats backyard drinking with the real crowd, your friends.

Soundy 04-18-2011 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by boogabooga (Post 7395901)
Vancouver club scene is just a bad experience. When was the last time you went to a club that went smoothly?

Last night at the Cobalt before the hotel was sold and the bar was turned into a hipster hellhole. I went to dozens of shows there when it was a metal bar, and never once saw a fight. Maybe because guys got all their aggression out in the mosh pit... maybe because the metal scene doesn't attract the gangsta element (nobody gives a fuck about your bling).

Chronix 04-18-2011 06:27 AM

just a question, when you grease the bouncer, he keeps the money or the club takes it?

Death2Theft 04-18-2011 09:41 AM

Why do you think it's called greasing the bouncer and not greasing the club?

Meowjin 04-18-2011 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Chronix (Post 7396163)
just a question, when you grease the bouncer, he keeps the money or the club takes it?

split among the other bouncers.

Manic! 04-18-2011 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Obsideon (Post 7391314)
Las Vegas clubs have been sexually discriminating (quite obviously) since the beginning of time, it's a well-known fact that they would refuse entry (or in other case ask for a lot of $) to a bunch of dudes whereas a bunch of bangin' hot ladies would get in free with no line-up and even free drinks. I don't see anyone being all up in arms about that?

Just came back from Vegas 8 brown guys and had no trouble at the clubs.

Ch28 04-18-2011 12:16 PM

http://www.news1130.com/news/local/a...ights-tribunal

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VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - The only way to bring attention to possible racism in Vancouver nightclubs is to file formal complaints with the BC Human Rights Tribunal. That's according to Dr. Hedy Fry, the Minister for Multiculturalism.

The MP for Vancouver Centre has heard our stories, but she says it's the first she's heard of the issue. "The way people deal with this... if they believe they have a case [and I can't tell you if there's a case or not], people would have to, to the BC Human Rights Commission, present the facts and they would look into it."

She adds then further investigations can take place to land some concrete facts.

News1130 told you last week about several people claiming to be racially profiled at two clubs owned by the Donnelly Group and the ensuing reaction that spread online.

The Donnelly Group has refused to give News1130 an interview on the story.

The last part speaks volumes about the situation. If there is nothing to hide then they should have no troubles doing an interview to clear the air. Instead, all they've done is post an 'apology' on their blog that nobody reads.

Meowjin 04-18-2011 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 7396491)
Just came back from Vegas 8 brown guys and had no trouble at the clubs.

Surrey is well known in vegas. Believe me.

Manic! 04-18-2011 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MajinHurricane (Post 7396503)
Surrey is well known in vegas. Believe me.

The only color Vegas understands is green.

bengy 04-18-2011 01:23 PM

I was at Venue on Saturday. There was a group of EIs there harrasing the gogo dancers and acting like douchebags. Got kicked out eventually, think they might have started a fight with someone, possibly a bouncer? Went to McDick's after and 2 of them came in, then the cops and the bouncers from Venue. EIs got arrested. LOL What a surprise. No Big Mac for you brown boiiiiiii!

Problem, m!chael? :troll:

will068 04-18-2011 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 7396491)
Just came back from Vegas 8 brown guys and had no trouble at the clubs.


Young EI males do not have a negative rep in the states like they do in Van.

The attitude, being loud braggarts, and the drug dealer persona racial stereotypes that is placed on young EI males here are absent down south.

You're likely more to be stereotyped as a professional in the medical field, computer scientist, or engineer from Silicon Valley. :whistle:

Meowjin 04-18-2011 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 7396563)
The only color Vegas understands is green.

true, but then again in vegas you can't fuck around because there is a bouncer for like every 10 patrons.

Manic! 04-18-2011 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MajinHurricane (Post 7396649)
true, but then again in vegas you can't fuck around because there is a bouncer for like every 10 patrons.

Bouncers in Vegas are true professionals not like some of the juice moneys you see locally.

RiceIntegraRS 04-18-2011 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chronix (Post 7396163)
just a question, when you grease the bouncer, he keeps the money or the club takes it?

The only club ive been to where you dont have to pay cover when u grease the bouncer is Cellar and Vanilla Room. Most of the other places u still have to pay cover. And shit places like Republic, greasing the bouncer only gets u to the front of the line, and u still have to wait.

When i went to a bunch of clubs in TO, they just let me in when i greased.

Blue_StreakR 04-18-2011 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by will068 (Post 7396636)
Young EI males do not have a negative rep in the states like they do in Van.

The attitude, being loud braggarts, and the drug dealer persona racial stereotypes that is placed on young EI males here are absent down south.

You're likely more to be stereotyped as a professional in the medical field, computer scientist, or engineer from Silicon Valley. :whistle:

Thats because once they cross the border East Indians become Mexicans

Culverin 04-18-2011 10:11 PM

I don't know about that. Mexicans down south have the stigma of being useless, lazy and taking all the jobs. East indians here don't have that at all. If nothing else, their rep is similar to FOB kids, except the parents live here, have less money and let their kids run wild, thus the rowdiness.

Death2Theft 04-18-2011 10:20 PM

How do lazy mexicans steal all the jobs? :speechless:

asahai69 04-18-2011 11:43 PM

im sure there would be alot more complaints filed if it wasnt such a pain in the ass to do so.

Blue_StreakR 04-19-2011 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Culverin (Post 7397337)
I don't know about that. Mexicans down south have the stigma of being useless, lazy and taking all the jobs. East indians here don't have that at all. If nothing else, their rep is similar to FOB kids, except the parents live here, have less money and let their kids run wild, thus the rowdiness.

Depending on where you go in the states, a lot of places assume east indians are mexican.

Death2Theft 04-19-2011 08:36 AM

Hence the joke in harold and kumar.

Munny 04-19-2011 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Tachycardia! (Post 7389816)
The email looks like bullshit imo. I can't imagine any company rep saying anything like that.

Email sounds totally plausible to me. I wouldn't bet on "VIP Hosts", "Bar Managers" or bouncers being the brightest kids in their class.

Being a minority, I've never experienced this first hand. I can see why bar manager's do this because they want a safe night with no problems/hassle. Calling upon the power of the stereotype, it's deduced that young Punjabi men are the cause of it, therefore they will try their best to deny or control the numbers.

Bad apples exist everywhere, but you can't paint the same brush on everyone (even though it's easy). Are all Chinese people bad drivers? Are all Caucasian priests child molesters? Do all Black people like fried chicke... nevermind.

Anyways, after years of research, I think the easiest way to find out who is going to be a drunk troublemaking d-bag versus a guy simply looking to have a good night is testing their linguistic skills. I'm sure everyone knows what I mean and using linguistics to find out who the Surrey Jack is and who the random brown guy is.

I should patent this incredibly revolutionary technique.

PoppaLarge 04-19-2011 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tachycardia! (Post 7389816)
The email looks like bullshit imo. I can't imagine any company rep saying anything like that.

This thread was brought to my attention and that email actually happened, the names of my bro in law and sister are both on that list and they told me about the email exchange after it happened, the exchange was mistakenly cc'd to the recipient. The one who sent in the guestlist was pretty pissed about having to send in names and ages in the first place since he is a professional person and it seems to be a slap in the face to be profiled that way.

From an owners stand point, I can see that if a certain group continually caused problems at the club it will not only give them problems of protecting staff and patrons it will also ruin the reputation of the establishment. That said, there is no douche bag device to weed out trouble makers (even though that's what I thought bar watch was for) so for doormen and management it's easy to exclude indo canadians from clubs or limit their numbers in order to keep trouble away. However, it is definitely frustrating and illegal when you are labelled and treated unfairly before you even enter due to your ethnicity.

In the end I can see this group get a slap on the wrist but will it change their policies? I dont think so, they can just go back to what they've always done before some employees so blatantly made the racial profiling remarks.

HurricaneGame 04-19-2011 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Munny (Post 7399208)
Email sounds totally plausible to me. I wouldn't bet on "VIP Hosts", "Bar Managers" or bouncers being the brightest kids in their class.

Being a minority, I've never experienced this first hand. I can see why bar manager's do this because they want a safe night with no problems/hassle. Calling upon the power of the stereotype, it's deduced that young Punjabi men are the cause of it, therefore they will try their best to deny or control the numbers.

Bad apples exist everywhere, but you can't paint the same brush on everyone (even though it's easy). Are all Chinese people bad drivers? Are all Caucasian priests child molesters? Do all Black people like fried chicke... nevermind.

Anyways, after years of research, I think the easiest way to find out who is going to be a drunk troublemaking d-bag versus a guy simply looking to have a good night is testing their linguistic skills. I'm sure everyone knows what I mean and using linguistics to find out who the Surrey Jack is and who the random brown guy is.

I should patent this incredibly revolutionary technique.

You could not have said that any better. Problem is bouncers don't want to have that quick 30 second conversation with any of the East Indians they do encounter..

Simple Question: Hey guys how's your night going so far?

Response 1: Hey, not bad just thought me and a couple friends would go out after some drinks at the pub.

Response 2: Fucking uh.... it's been preety good and shit.

I wan't to say 9/10 letting in the guy who said response 1 would be a good choice..

Sid Vicious 04-20-2011 10:58 AM

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parm104 04-21-2011 12:35 AM

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