Bouncer at Vancouver pub accused of racial profiling

[Meowjin]

Originally Posted by asahai69

lol i just got banned from caprice a few months ago. i found out a few days after i went there because one of my brothers buddies works there. i never caused trouble there, never got overly drunk and fucked around, always spent a good amount of money and tipped well. i was confused and was sure they were just fucking around and maybe confused me for someone else.

nope it was me. i asked why i was banned and apparently it said i was banned by jon wong. the head bouncer or something. and the reason was "Image".

what image means i dont know. but i think i may have a few ideas

Shame I don't think I've ever had a problem with you coming down.

[white_guilt]

Originally Posted by MajinHurricane

^^I've mentioned it a few times but people just blew me off as racist.


honest problem. Alot of brown guys get really really touchy when they drink and there are alot of people that don't like to be touched.

I think you mentioned you worked at Caprice before. I know what you mean, but I guess people need to actually work the bars every weekend to understand why we feel the way we do.

[Greenstoner]

LOL... honestly i didnt find or never stereotype brown guy are troubles.

i didnt know that much people out there look at brown people this way until this thread.

the brown guys i met at work or random smokers on the streets seems all friendly. They seems to be pretty chilling when they had few drinks in the pub too..

I havent been to a club for at least 2 yrs tho, maybe situation could be a bit different.

[asahai69]

Originally Posted by white_guilt

You are probably leaving out details. From a club stand point it makes no sense to randomly ban you- this is bad for business. You must have done something to deserve a ban from Caprice (which BTW, is worked by good people).

Originally Posted by MajinHurricane

Shame I don't think I've ever had a problem with you coming down.

believe me. i left no details out. im usually the happy drunk that is just having fun. i never once caused a problem in ANY club in vancouver.


i just look alot rougher than i actually am

[stylez2k4]

Originally Posted by asahai69

lol i just got banned from caprice a few months ago. i found out a few days after i went there because one of my brothers buddies works there. i never caused trouble there, never got overly drunk and fucked around, always spent a good amount of money and tipped well. i was confused and was sure they were just fucking around and maybe confused me for someone else.

nope it was me. i asked why i was banned and apparently it said i was banned by jon wong. the head bouncer or something. and the reason was "Image".

what image means i dont know. but i think i may have a few ideas

You're ugly?

[Soundy]

Originally Posted by asahai69

what image means i dont know. but i think i may have a few ideas

RS TRASH

[asahai69]

Originally Posted by stylez2k4

You're ugly?

im sure we spent enough money in there that it wouldnt matter if i looked like Steve Buscemi

i know that i look like a fuken surrey jack. but damn, i never act like one. i try and stay away that shit

[twixxer]

as a brown dude, i am used to this, doesn't even bother me anymore, i am more than happy to spend my money some where else. Though i would be quite upset if i went out for some fresh air and got refused re-entry.

[Soundy]

Originally Posted by Tachycardia!

(brown) Guys (WHO ARE NOT PARM 104), this is a serious question that you may think is packaged as racism. I'm asking this from a real place so we can all understand.

Why are you always trying to prove yourself? Why do you always have to be "on". Why do you think that everyone is out to slight you at every turn?

Originally Posted by parm104

You quoted me yet completely missed the message. I said "some people will never ever experience racism and some people here already have experienced it..."

I never said "white ppl over here will never experience it, and brown people will." Racism itself is the ONLY thing that is not prejudice. It can affect any color any race.

I think your ignorance MAY play a large role in your targeting.

"Why are you always trying to prove yourself? Why do you always have to be "on". Why do you think that everyone is out to slight you at every turn?"

You just did EXACTLY what the people who target you do to you. You just grouped ALL "brown guys" together and asked US to account for OTHER people's actions and mindsets.

Ignorant questions do not deserve any answers. You are acting like "brown guys" are the ONLY ones who are out there trying to prove themselves to everyone and trying to be "hard." Vietnamese, Filipino, Chinese, Indian, American, Italian, British people ALL have groups of people who are gangster/thug wannabes. Who act the SAME way as the people you work with. It is no more and no less in one race than another, in my opinion.

I LOL at this because parm104 basically just proved Tachycardia's point.

Let's follow this: parm104 makes a very good, well-thought-out, well-articulated point about the problems he, as a brown guy, has getting into clubs. He shows plenty of restraint and intelligence here.

Tachy then asks a simple question, based on (what may or may not be skewed) observation, trying to word it delicately and specifically trying to avoid coming across the wrong way.

parm104 then immediately snaps and dedicates about 20 paragraphs in three long, rambling posts to smacking down Tachy's question.

Talk about "always on"

[asahai69]

Originally Posted by twixxer

as a brown dude, i am used to this, doesn't even bother me anymore, i am more than happy to spend my money some where else. Though i would be quite upset if i went out for some fresh air and got refused re-entry.

^ x2

[parm104]

Originally Posted by Soundy

I LOL at this because parm104 basically just proved Tachycardia's point.

parm104 then immediately snaps and dedicates about 20 paragraphs in three long, rambling posts to smacking down Tachy's question.

Talk about "always on"

Funny, I said the same thing when he posted, that he proved my point. I guess we are both demonstrations of each other's points.

I'm sorry if you confused responding to a post as being "on." How else do you expect to discuss a topic? I mean, that is what we're here for aren't we? To discuss an issue that is at hand.

I never changed any of El Bastardo's words or phrases, read them for exactly what he typed: "Brown guys...why are you always trying to prove yourself?"

I don't see how you can fail to recognize that that is his statement and that is a gross generalization...that's the point I made when I responded to his post. I'm sorry if no one else see's it but again, you've grouped brown people all into one category. In this case, he was being hypocritical telling us about encounters he has had at work with people generalizing him and stereotyping him, and he went to do it himself. (Although I am not thinking he has done it unintentionally because he nor you have picked up from his language how it can be seen as hypocritical).

Again, I'm sorry if you feel that responding rationally and logically to a post is being "on" and snapping. But I am FAR from the brown people that Bastardo runs into at work and unlike them, I most certainly do not need to prove it to anyone. If you don't believe me, meet me at Bear Creek Park at 4PM and I'll call my cousins and we'll see whatsup. AIGHT BUDDY??

[Glove]

why you be steppin?

[Presto]

Originally Posted by Soundy

parm104 then immediately snaps and dedicates about 20 paragraphs in three long, rambling posts to smacking down Tachy's question.

Talk about "always on"

Yeah.. he's just in denial. He was "on" when I gave him an infraction a few months ago. He was trying to peacock his join date, like that's supposed to impress me.

[bloodmack]

Originally Posted by MR_BIGGS

Your very statement is an insinuation that generalizes brown people. By saying that YOU are not like the typical young EI, YOU are making the generalization and putting all of them into one category. Just saying..
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I see your point, but we all know there is a bigger ratio of EI's who are pricks vs EI's who are good people. Its just the way they were raised. By raised I mean everything given to them by their parents.

[adambomb]

UPDATE:

David Eby is getting involved.

VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - The BC Civil Liberties Association says it's very interested in a story News1130 brought you yesterday about a nightclub bouncer accused of racial profiling in Vancouver. The group tells us private businesses are restricted in how they can refuse access.

Some clubs say they have the right to refuse anyone for any reason. But Executive Director David Eby says that's not entirely true. "You are not allowed under British Columbia law to refuse people access on the basis of age, race, and gender."

"So when you put all of these things together... the only way you are allowed to refuse someone entry is if they are unable to pay the cover charge," he explains. "And sometimes places have dress codes that wouldn't be based on age or race."

Age, of course, being over 19. "You can't have a young-persons-only club," Eby adds.

"They can remove people for being drunk, for causing a disturbance," he tells us. "But what's protected by law is pretty clear: You can't remove someone for their political opinions, race, age, or gender."

But how intoxicated someone is can be hard to prove.

"You often end up in a situation where it's one person's word against another," says Eby. "We often ask ourselves 'What possible benefit would someone have with bringing forward a complaint of racism or discrimination?' Especially given the potential recriminations they could face in their employment or at home."

"We tend to think that when people bring these complaints forward, they should be taken seriously, because it is a big deal to do that," he adds.

Eby hopes last weekend's incident will be investigated, and is encouraging people who feel they've been denied access or re-entry based on their race to contact one of their case workers.

[ruthless]

Originally Posted by parm104

Funny, I said the same thing when he posted, that he proved my point. I guess we are both demonstrations of each other's points.

I'm sorry if you confused responding to a post as being "on." How else do you expect to discuss a topic? I mean, that is what we're here for aren't we? To discuss an issue that is at hand.

I never changed any of El Bastardo's words or phrases, read them for exactly what he typed: "Brown guys...why are you always trying to prove yourself?"

I don't see how you can fail to recognize that that is his statement and that is a gross generalization...that's the point I made when I responded to his post. I'm sorry if no one else see's it but again, you've grouped brown people all into one category. In this case, he was being hypocritical telling us about encounters he has had at work with people generalizing him and stereotyping him, and he went to do it himself. (Although I am not thinking he has done it unintentionally because he nor you have picked up from his language how it can be seen as hypocritical).

Again, I'm sorry if you feel that responding rationally and logically to a post is being "on" and snapping. But I am FAR from the brown people that Bastardo runs into at work and unlike them, I most certainly do not need to prove it to anyone. If you don't believe me, meet me at Bear Creek Park at 4PM and I'll call my cousins and we'll see whatsup. AIGHT BUDDY??

[Glove]

bastardo couldnt of asked or said it any better,

browns are always "on",

its even worse when they are in any sort of position of authority, god help you if you have a EI manager or boss.

every fiji guy ive met has been so cool, but every EI guy ive met has 99% of the time been a complete prick.

I also wonder why they are like that, like I REALLY wonder...

[ruthless]

Originally Posted by Jufes

bastardo couldnt of asked or said it any better,

browns are always "on",

its even worse when they are in any sort of position of authority, god help you if you have a EI manager or boss.

every fiji guy ive met has been so cool, but every EI guy ive met has 99% of the time been a complete prick.

I also wonder why they are like that, like I REALLY wonder...

we should meet up im super nice and I'm never "on"
Its unfortunate that you've only met brown people who are pricks, since I know quite a few who are some of the nicest down to earth, most chill people ever...

[Meowjin]

^probably hindu's not punjabi's

jk

[Blue_StreakR]

Originally Posted by white_guilt

I've worked in the nightclub industry for years. Racial profiling vs brown people is in every club-literally, EVERY club in Vancouver. For instance, I used to work for a very popular Yaletown lounge (frequented by tons of celebrities/VIPs/industry big-wigs), because this is YT, we get tons of high-end clientele. The bouncers are under unofficial orders to monitor a set quota of Brown people, and when a certain group has been admitted entry, they are watched like hawks. Is this profiling? I suppose. But I'd say the moment we have more than 10 Brown people inside the premises, there is without a fail, an altercation. Some nights we have blood all over the place outside, and some nights are tame, but without fail, there will be at least one minor altercation. I have friends that work in the top nightclubs around town, and security/ managers start getting uneasy once the place starts filling up with Browns, and these groups are watched fervently.
This has been going on for years, and it did not spring out suddenly overnight because of some collective conspiracy by every other race to create a non-Brown club. This was started because of years and years of innocent patrons getting attacked by Crown Royal'd up Surrey trash via flexing their collective group muscles at anyone who so much as looks in their general direction.
Bar owners are sick and tired of having to kick out these idiots time and time again every Friday /Saturday night for breaking their property, harassing their clients or endangering the well-being of their employees. This isn't racial profiling; this is common sense. If a company delivers a product that fails to work , time and time again, eventually people will wise up and stop bying the product. Will there be an odd customer who gets a working product? Yes, of course. But will it be safe to err on the side of caution and by a different product from another company? Yes. It pays to be risk adverse. Bar owners and clients wised up years ago to this epidemic of Surrey trash that somehow makes its way from across the bridge and the tunnel, every weekend. I guess I shouldn't have let this industry "secret" out of the bag, but if you didn't know, now you do.

Hit the nail on the head

[strykn]

white guilt is absolutely right. The surrey jacks are the ones that created this stereotype and ruined it for us, the regulars. As TC asked, the reason for this "on" mentality stems from fucked up and retarded parenting. Sons are treated and spoiled like superior beings in traditional indo-canadian families, assimilate that behaviour with the western culture and the media ( e.g. rap songs about going hard and glorifying gangsters) and you get a full blown 'jack' thinking they are better than everyone else. My opinion

[JD¹³]

Originally Posted by Manic!

This happens all the time. I know in Victoria they won't let in any brown people from the mainland.

We would if they were willing to let us photocopy their ID's (this was before BarWatch). In the past they used to come in, cause major problems, then run away back to the mainland before they could be tracked down. Most were compliant and we shredded the copies at the end of the night, the ones who refused.... I would typically get a message from the head doorman at another establishment later that night describing them, saying they got tossed for fighting.

It was the same for out of town or groups of Asians. As has been said the very very high percentage of fights in the clubs were from these two ethnicities. And if one goes then they all jump in. They also like to blindside sucker punch or bottle people, including doormen trying to break up the initial fights. South-East Asians (Filipino, Vietnamese) like to throw bottles too for whatever reason.

We also implemented the "no shiny shirts" rule long before it made it over to Vancouver. The nights went by a lot smoother with everyone having more fun once we implemented these policies. Pretty sad actually.

Good luck Civil Liberties Association Bar/Club/Restaurant owners don't want problems, Police don't want problems. Therefore these unofficial policies will remain unchanged.

[Chronix]

can anybody explain why Brown male kids get worshipped like god by their parents? I have a friend who is the youngest and the only male in 4 siblings. Dude already has a police record when he was in gr. 7. starts beef, jump ppl, sell/do drugs throughout high school. His parents pretty much just turn a blind eye on this even though im pretty sure they know. Even bought him a mercedes when he was 17. All at the same time, his other three sisters have to work for their money and what not.

Also, he pretty much get into fights and kicked out at every club he goes to every weekend. being one of his friends, we have to pretty much pull him out, tries and stop the fight (sometimes we get bottled by the other group of people just because we are with him while trying to stop fights). hell, even the cops arrest us sometimes just because we were hanging out with him. =\

and whats with brown guys rolling in with 5 - 10 ppl to clubs. pretty gay.

[ruthless]

Originally Posted by Chronix

can anybody explain why Brown male kids get worshipped like god by their parents? I have a friend who is the youngest and the only male in 4 siblings. Dude already has a police record when he was in gr. 7. starts beef, jump ppl, sell/do drugs throughout high school. His parents pretty much just turn a blind eye on this even though im pretty sure they know. Even bought him a mercedes when he was 17. All at the same time, his other three sisters have to work for their money and what not.

Also, he pretty much get into fights and kicked out at every club he goes to every weekend. being one of his friends, we have to pretty much pull him out, tries and stop the fight (sometimes we get bottled by the other group of people just because we are with him while trying to stop fights). hell, even the cops arrest us sometimes just because we were hanging out with him. =\

and whats with brown guys rolling in with 5 - 10 ppl to clubs. pretty gay.

Its because the parents have carried over a certain mentality that when their daughter(s) get married they go off to the their in-laws house and have to take care of them. While they hope that their son(s) will take care of them when they get older and are unable to do so themselves...so they pretty much treat them better than their daughters because in the end the sons will be taking care of them. Unlike other cultures where the kids move out and live life on their own at 18 etc.

This is one of the major reasons as to why female babies are killed in India, that and the whole dowry($$) system in weddings

[Chronix]

I doubt my friend will take care of his parents when hes in jail/killed. haha