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No shit something is happening. It's climate; climate BY DEFINITION is variable.
And yes, "Science" (capitalized) IS a religion to some. Complete this sentence: "If _______ says so, it must be true." - acceptable answers are a) God, b) Science.
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The issue of nuclear waste would be less of a big deal if people were less obstructionist.
There is a giant nuclear waste facility located in Nevada, far from any fault lines or ground water. The estimated life of the facility is (I believe) 10,000 years. And yet, people still feel that it is too unsafe. For an interesting and easy to watch anti-anti-nuclear point of view, I recommend watching Penn & Teller's Bullshit! Episode covering nuclear power. Posted via RS Mobile
FYI, the Yucca Mountain waste site was never completed, funding was recently terminated and it now sits abandoned.
On November 17, the architect of Fukushima Daiichi Reactor 3, Uehara Haruo, was interviewed in Japan. He warned that a “China Syndrome” situation is inevitable at the plant.
Haruo said that considering eight months have passed since the tsunami and the crippling of the nuclear plant without any improvement in the condition of the reactors, it is likely melted fuel has escaped the container vessel and is now burning through the earth.
On September 20, 2011, Hiroaki Koide, assistant professor at Kyoto University’s Research Reactor Institute, estimated that material from the nuclear fuel rods may be twelve meters deep underground at reactors one and three.
Haruo said debris is spreading in Pacific Ocean. On November 15, tons of radioactive debris reached the Marshall Islands.
If the fuel reaches an underground water source, Haruo explained, it will result in the contamination of water, soil and the sea. More catastrophic, underground super-heated water will ultimately create a massive hydrovolcanic explosion.
Although media in Japan and the alternative media have covered this story over the last few days, it has been uniformly ignored by the corporate media.
In fact, I don't know how many other people on Revscene can say that they've actually stood on a working reactor.
But I notice that a lot of pro nukies downplay the risk of Nuclear power. The fact is, the risk is huge and the outcome is potentially huge swaths of land becoming uninhabitable for 1000's of years. No other power generation technology has to potential to do that.
As for fukushima, they now know that a bunch of land is no longer safe for farming:
The big problem right now is that the majority Nuke plants are based on really old technology. I want to see new plants with modern technology and safeguards being built and replacing the old plants.
Lets just say if it hits water the radiation will only get worse not better. Upgrades to newer tech in this economy? Yeah right, if anything there will be more failures.
but electricity just travels over wires.... if the energy is as cheap as they make it out to be, it is probably not a bad tradeoff...
surely private power companies will think otherwise coz they are penny pinching bastards.
Your forgetting line loss. The longer it travels the less energy at the end. When BC Hydro sells California a kilowatt of electricity they charge them for a kilowatt but they don't receive a kilowatt because of line loss.
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No shit something is happening. It's climate; climate BY DEFINITION is variable.
And yes, "Science" (capitalized) IS a religion to some. Complete this sentence: "If _______ says so, it must be true." - acceptable answers are a) God, b) Science.
You forgot c) Alex Trebek that dudes always got the answers.
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Although media in Japan and the alternative media have covered this story over the last few days, it has been uniformly ignored by the corporate media.
How convenient. Got a link or anything else that shows this whole thing isn't bullshit? I mean, a link other than greenpeace.org or something.
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How about you google search rising radiation levels in europe. Look at how many article published about it are main strem media. Back in chernobyl days people were told to throw away all the crops and not to eat anything from that region. Now no mention, so enjoy your radiation! Dont worry i'm sure big gov will warn if you there really is a problem worth more attention than pro sports and dancing with the stars!
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How convenient. Got a link or anything else that shows this whole thing isn't bullshit? I mean, a link other than greenpeace.org or something.
How about you google search rising radiation levels in europe. Look at how many article published about it are main strem media. Back in chernobyl days people were told to throw away all the crops and not to eat anything from that region. Now no mention, so enjoy your radiation! Dont worry i'm sure big gov will warn if you there really is a problem worth more attention than pro sports and dancing with the stars!
What the fuck does Fukushima have to do with radiation levels in Europe?
What a cop-out: post radical claims supposedly made by some "expert" to some unknown, probably heavily-biased publication, and then when asked for proof, go off the rails with some kind of babbling BS.
You're the one posting the claims; the burden of proof is on you to back them up.
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Yet, as far as we know, no one has yet received a lethal dose of radiation.
There was a news anchor who tried to promote that Fukashima was safe by eating foods made from that area or something every morning, on the news program. He died of leukemia.
Although it could be a coincidence, it could also be not.
We shouldn't be listening to the opinions of idiot artsy-fartsies trying to write about complex scientific issues. The fact that one of the major premises in his argument that nobody has died from a lethal dose of radiation at Fukushima, while failing to take into consideration the increased cancer risk pretty much speaks for itself. It's almost as if he can only process information where his puny mind can see clear cause and effect.
I place credibility in the scientific community. The arts community can entertain me, they can design my furniture, they can make my coffee and they can sell me my IMACs but they shouldn't attempt to sway public policy on such critical issues.
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Well clearly you can't see the connection, radiation levels just mysteriously rise because they feel like it months after a major event happens. Yep totally not related lets build more.
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What the fuck does Fukushima have to do with radiation levels in Europe?
What a cop-out: post radical claims supposedly made by some "expert" to some unknown, probably heavily-biased publication, and then when asked for proof, go off the rails with some kind of babbling BS.
You're the one posting the claims; the burden of proof is on you to back them up.
Back in July, before the latest developments, Dr. Tatsuhiko Kodama of the Radioisotope Center at the University of Tokyo told the Japanese Diet the amount of radiation emitted from the plant was 29.6 times more than the amount of radiation from the bomb dropped on Hiroshima. Kodama announces the findings of his study in the following video.
TEPCO’s latest public relations effort to underplay the severity of the ongoing crisis at the plant once again reveals that there will be no serious effort to address the grave situation that may soon get much worse if Haruo’s prediction of a hydrovolcanic explosion occurs.
The Japanese government is also actively working to sweep the disaster under the rug. Its Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare recently eliminated Fukushima data from a patient survey it conducts every three years, according to the Fukushima Diary. According to the survey, leukemia cases have increased sevenfold over the last year, the highest rate since 1978 when the ministry first began collecting data.
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i've been to fukushima, stayed at many of their awesome onsens, and been to the coast where they've got a great aquarium and serve fantastic crab sashimi, shame its no good anymore.
i'd still be concerned with nuclear power in a severe earthquake zone, having lived there for a few years and been through the niigata quake... i wouldn't be so confident if you lived within 50km's of a plant. tokyo being so far away from many of the plants... kind of puts the people into a bubble and they ignore whats going on around them.
Radioactive debris from melted fuel rods may have seeped deeper into the floor of a Japan’s tsunami-hit nuclear reactor than previously thought, to within a foot from breaching the crucial steel barrier, a new simulation showed Wednesday.
The findings will not change the ongoing efforts to stabilize the reactors more than eight months after the Fukushima Daiichi plant was disabled, but they harshly depict the meltdowns that occurred and conditions within the reactors, which will be off-limits for years.
The plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co said its latest simulation showed fuel at the No. 1 reactor may have eroded part of the primary containment vessel’s thick concrete floor. The vessel is a beaker-shaped steel container, set into the floor. A concrete foundation below that is the last manmade barrier before earth.
The fuel came within a foot of the container’s steel bottom in the worst-case scenario but has been somewhat cooled, TEPCO’s nuclear safety official Yoshihiro Oyama said at a government workshop. He said fuel rods in the No. 1 reactor were the worst damaged because it lost cooling capacity before the other two reactors, leaving its rods dry and overheated for hours before water was pumped in.
The nuclear crisis following the March 11 earthquake and tsunami caused massive radiation leaks and the relocation of some 100,000 people.
Another simulation on the structure released by the government-funded Japan Nuclear Energy Safety Organization, or JNES, said the erosion of the concrete could be deeper and the possibility of structural damage to the reactor’s foundation needs to be studied.
JNES official Masanori Naito said the melting fuel rods lost their shape as they collapsed to the bottom of the vessel, then deteriorated into drops when water pumping resumed, and the fuel drops spattered and smashed against the concrete as they fell, Naito said.
TEPCO and government officials are aiming to achieve “cold shutdown” by the end of the year _ a first step toward creating a stable enough environment for work to proceed on removing the reactors’ nuclear fuel and closing the plant altogether.
The government estimates it will take 30 years or more to safely decommission Fukushima Daiichi.
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