Why Fukushima made me stop worrying and love nuclear power

[Death2Theft]

Yes great selective reading ability you've got there.

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

So it went from literally zero, to basically zero. Good point there

[Death2Theft]

You could try not clicking on the thread after seeing my last post in it, smartguy.

Originally Posted by conflagrare

How do I block all posts from Death2Theft ?

[Soundy]

This isn't your thread, douchetard.

[Death2Theft]

Thanks for addressing the real issues at hand

Originally Posted by Soundy

This isn't your thread, douchetard.

[Soundy]

I am - YOU are the real issue. Alarmist bullshit is not.

[Death2Theft]

10 diff websites with clear links and studies from our own sfu is alarmist bullshit? Yes wiki is known to be a great alarmist site too :eyeroll: Keep your blinders on and stop responding here. You obviously know your wrong and can't prove otherwise. Clearly you can't see sh!t because your nose is shoved so far up MR.Burns butt. May as well post your TL: DR and GTFO.

Originally Posted by Soundy

I am - YOU are the real issue. Alarmist bullshit is not.

[Soundy]

And dozens of others that say the exact opposite, and hundreds more than have all manner of other conspiracy theories of their own. I could find 10 websites that back up any viewpoint I want to present, including some from SFU, UBC, MIT, JPL, or any other acronyms you want... so what makes your 10 so special?

[Death2Theft]

List them to counter mine or gtfo.
2 to deny that chernobyl has been linked to 1 million deaths since 1986.
3 to deny the us army stock piling anti-radiation pills
3 to deny the 500% increase in cesium found on california coast line
2 to deny that reactor 4 going kaput doesn't put the planet in peril.
THX BYE.

[Soundy]

Okay, let's say I spend my entire afternoon looking up links and posting them...
2 questioning the validity of those links
3 stating that this is SOP for any military given the number of other countries in the world that have or are developing nuclear weapons
3 showing the numbers are bogus or mis-read or just plain made up
2 pointing out that these are just opinions from self-described "experts"

You will naturally not believe any of them anyway because your mind is made up and you're always ready to believe the worst case scenario regardless of what anyone else says, and then proceed to go find 10 more to support your doom-and-gloom theories, and insist that I need to find more to counter or GTFO... and so on and so forth, and next thing you know, we're both dead from the radiation from our WiFi anyway.

Or... I could sit here on my ass getting fat eating chips, secure in the knowledge that the aliens are going to wipe us out long before Fukushima does (I know this because I'm watching it happen on the news... er... oops, my TV got switched over to Independence Day... oh well, it looks real enough), then I'm going to go outside with my dogs and soak up the deadly radiation from the solar flares and breath in the greenhouse-gas-laden air. Maybe I'll take the dogs to the beach and wade in the Cesium sludge, too.

You sit in your bunker and try to enjoy your day as much as possible, mmkay?



(Interestingly, this picture came from an MIT study into the effectiveness of tinfoil hats... it's from an actual high-tech university, so they obviously know what they're talking about. You might find it useful: http://berkeley.intel-research.net/arahimi/helmet/)

EDIT: TL;DR version: STFU you fucking freakshow, and GET A LIFE.

EDIT2: Just had a thought: if you got some of that lead foil like Mythbusters used to make their "lead balloon", that would protect you from the radiation as well. You're welcome.

[Death2Theft]

Great job proving nothing but that your too lazy and unable to counter said articles.

[Soundy]

Why would I waste my time? You won't believe any of it anyway, if you even bother reading any of it. You obviously didn't even read my entire last post where I stated exactly this already. You call it lazy... I call it having better things to do with my day. I was so lazy, in fact, I spent the last six hours walking around Fort Langley with a friend, shopping for dinner fixings, walking the dogs, delivering empty cans and bottles to a charity, and just generally enjoying life free of panic.

You should try it sometime.

[Yodamaster]

I think we can all agree that nuclear waste fucks you over and that safe nuclear power is awesome.

(and that D2T can swallow an egg)

[Death2Theft]

Let me know when you can pull the broom out of your rear long enough to tell me how nuclear energy is the safest form of energy when chernobyl alone is responsible for 1 million deaths? The thread is based on how nuclear energy is safe when clearly it's not.

[Graeme S]

There is no disputing that Nuclear disasters are horrifically poisonous. There is dispute, however, over what the pollution is when a plant is operating within normal paramaters. Have you looked up the details on coal power? Did you know that 48 Tonnes of mercury was released into the atmosphere in the US in 1999 alone? Or that coal mining (as I'd mentioned before) kills hundreds, if not thousands, every year? Or that people are using more and more coal power to charge these electric-only cars that are now being sold in China and the US because they think it's cleaner?


Disasters are disasters. Simply saying "Disasters are terrible" does nothing to improve any situation in any way, shape or form.

[Soundy]

Originally Posted by Death2Theft

Let me know when you can pull the broom out of your rear long enough to tell me how nuclear energy is the safest form of energy when chernobyl alone is responsible for 1 million deaths?

Sure it is - and for proof of this you offer an article about a book written by Russian enviro-nazis, who have a vested interested in inflating the numbers to support their cause, and a Wikipedia entry which you could have edited yourself, for all we know.

The thread is based on how nuclear energy is safe when clearly it's not.

No form of energy production that's viable on a mass scale is "safe". So unless you're going to go live in the woods and burn candles for light and power your laptop and internet by pedaling a bike, you need to get over it already.

[Yodamaster]

Originally Posted by Death2Theft

Let me know when you can pull the broom out of your rear long enough to tell me how nuclear energy is the safest form of energy when chernobyl alone is responsible for 1 million deaths? The thread is based on how nuclear energy is safe when clearly it's not.

Get the dick out of your mouth.


I didn't say that Nuclear plants were safe, I said that safe nuclear energy is awesome.

Nowhere in that statement do I mention that our current plants are "safe"

I retain the opinion that you should swallow an egg.

[goo3]

Well, this is the SFU press release from last year.

SFU Public Affairs and Media Relations - Radiation from Japan reaches B.C. shores - March 28, 2011

Comes with a video too.

Radiation from Japan reaches B.C. shores - YouTube

[Soundy]

Since that article is over a year old, talks specifically about iodine-131 levels, and also states that iodine-131 has a half-life of 8 days... how does that have any relevance today?

[goo3]

Talking to me?

Because the data was brought up here out of context. I felt if it was going to be used for something, it should be brought back into context. Talking points don't really mean anything. I though the takeaway was pretty objective and clear, but you seem to have gotten something else out of it?

[bluejays]

Possible meltdown at Fukushima?
Mystery Steam Over Fukushima Could Be Sign of Another Meltdown

[Soundy]

Note that there's nothing in the (translated) Tepco release that mentions meltdown... this is largely the speculation of bloggers and other such "internet experts" who apparently don't know what a "meltdown" actually is, or understand how reactors work or are constructed, or just generally haven't been paying much attention and are randomly slapping together unrelated or disconnected facts.

You know, the kind of stuff CiC loves.

[Anjew]

Originally Posted by Graeme S

There is no disputing that Nuclear disasters are horrifically poisonous. There is dispute, however, over what the pollution is when a plant is operating within normal paramaters. Have you looked up the details on coal power? Did you know that 48 Tonnes of mercury was released into the atmosphere in the US in 1999 alone? Or that coal mining (as I'd mentioned before) kills hundreds, if not thousands, every year? Or that people are using more and more coal power to charge these electric-only cars that are now being sold in China and the US because they think it's cleaner?

coal power is very dirty, but i think advancements in robotic technology will soon mitigate many concerns of going nuclear. Containment was the real issue as no humans would be able withstand the radiation.

[Soundy]

Just gonna leave this here...
David Suzuki Regrets Dire Fukushima Warning

People pay attention to Suzuki because he has environmental cultural capital. He is not, as bad science debunking website Skeptoid.com points out, "your average Internet crank."

But, the site asserts, people have failed to recognize that Suzuki was speaking well outside his area of expertise. "He's a highly respected guru, internationally honored and venerated for his groundbreaking work – in genetics," the article states. "What he is NOT is a nuclear physicist."

[Yodamaster]

The american government toyed with the idea of sending nuclear waste into deep space via rockets, the only problem being that rockets are unpredictable. In the distant future, when things like space elevators are realised, such a disposal method would be logical.

At the moment, it would make more sense to build facilities based on thorium rather than uranium, less waste. Another problem is how so many of the current nuclear stations in North America are based on old technology, if a plant starts to melt down, no human will be able to enter it to attempt to stop a disaster from occuring. I could see robotics being useful in the event of an emergency, being able to work on the inside without being inside.

[Soundy]

Originally Posted by Yodamaster

The american government toyed with the idea of sending nuclear waste into deep space via rockets, the only problem being that rockets are unpredictable. In the distant future, when things like space elevators are realised, such a disposal method would be logical.

Yeah, someone had the idea decades ago of storing it in facilities on the dark side of the moon, and look how that turned out...

Spoiler!