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Originally Posted by insomniatic (Post 7706897)

speaking of the size comparison

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lv...pfkto1_500.png

its the same size as the 370z and they look similar :considered:

^
yup, taken from the other FT-86 thread. I know I mentioned it once already, but I'll say it again: it is only 1 inch longer than the original AE86!

ok this is weird..

According to the chief engineer of Toyota 86, Tetsuya Tada, they were trying to avoid "high power turbo", "4WD" and "high performance tires"

why would you wanna avoid high performance tires?

I know people are saying Genesis Coupe is too big...but I'm curious how fast does this thing actually go...

0-60mph accelration?
top speed?
skid pad?
60-0mph braking?
Nurburgring laptime?

etc...

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Originally Posted by StylinRed (Post 7706899)

its the same size as the 370z and they look similar :considered:

370z is shorter than the Gen coupe? :fulloffuck:
now that i think about it...is the 370z smaller than the 350z?

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Originally Posted by twitchyzero (Post 7707105)

370z is shorter than the Gen coupe? :fulloffuck:
now that i think about it...is the 370z smaller than the 350z?

yea, 370Z is smaller and lighter...except it's a bit wider,..but 370Z got smaller, lighter, bigger engine, better handling, better materials, and cheaper

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Originally Posted by Timpo (Post 7706974)

Source

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But the key facets of an 1180kg kerb weight, rear-wheel drive, ESP that can be fully turned off, quick steering and a limited-slip differential make it a riot in the twisty stuff. Also, the tyres are the same 17in low-resistance versions as can be found on a Prius, all the better to make sure their grip can be overcome if the mood takes you.

Also 0-60 is said to be 7 seconds.

First drive

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Taking off on our allotted three test laps of the short course at Fuji speedway in Japan, we are delighted to hear and feel a strong Subaru flavour burbling its way through the cabin. Its naturally aspirated four-cylinder engine delivers lots of torque through the bottom to mid-range but could use a bit more punch at the top end. The GT 86 feels light but planted on the tarmac, and its ride is firm but not harsh. Turn-in is sharp and pinpoint and body roll minimal given the engine’s low centre of gravity. Grip levels are higher than expected with a slight tendency to understeer.

Developed to be a reasonably priced sports coupe with serious ‘drifting’ and racing capabilities, we decide to switch off the VSC and traction control units and see what happens. After dabbing the firm disc brakes to tuck the nose into a tight left-hander while holding 5,000rpm in 2nd, the initial hint of understeer is replaced by a welcome serve of tail action that requires an instant dose of opposite lock to control the slide. But given our very limited time in the car, we will reserve judgment on the car’s overall balance and whether a drift can be held for any length of time.

Toyota went on today about their (and Subaru’s) decision to build a lightweight sports car that avoided AWD, turbos and high grip tyres. The end result is a stunning first step, that’s for sure. This car is a blast to drive and will without doubt inject some much-needed adrenalin to a lacklustre lineup. But we can’t help think that enthusiasts and tuners around the world will want more power – and very soon - leading to bolted on turbos because the GT86’s. Why? Because the chassis can certainly take it.

Subaru BRZ looks the same... :(

Does anyone know why the Honda CR-Z arrived North America as a 2 seater model...while it's 4 seats in JDM? Was it because of safety regulations?

Maybe this would be a problem for the 86 / BRZ too :crazy2:

CR-Z in Japan:
http://www.otohybrid.com/wp-content/...erior-View.jpg
CRZ-Z in Canada:
http://www.mbempiditcar.com/wp-conte...Rear-Seats.jpg

Interior shots of the 86:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...0&d=1322426625
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...1&d=1322426736
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...2&d=1322426736
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...3&d=1322426769

Obviously no one buys a sport coupe this size for rear passenger comfort.
But from the looks of those photos.....unless your front driver / passenger
is super short, it doesn't even look like its possible to sit someone in the back.......

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Originally Posted by Sky_High (Post 7707752)

Not only CRZ...

But RX-7 and CRX as well.
The 300ZX twin turbo was only available as a 2 seater in north america.
(you could buy NA 4 seater for some reason)

I heard it's something to do with insurance.
Japan will get lower insurance rate if the car is "4 seater" and also don't have to pay gas guzzler tax (wasting gas on 2 seater car).

But this info can be completely wrong.

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Originally Posted by Timpo (Post 7707891)

Might be cause of insurance in the JDM world.

But in North America....I think it's a mixture of the crammed space
for "NA sized people" and more importantly....crash safety standards?

As tight as those two seats are back then, I really hope they do bring a 4 seater over...

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Originally Posted by Sky_High (Post 7707975)

I doubt it has nothing to do with crash safety standards...

Look at Lexus SC430, Porsche 911, etc...you can only fit little 5 year old kids in and that's about it.

^ I guess Murdoc has a new vehicle in mind for purchase when he sells that white van of his. :troll:

I might have missed this but is pricing out somewhere?

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Originally Posted by Timpo (Post 7707985)

I doubt it has nothing to do with crash safety standards...

Look at Lexus SC430, Porsche 911, etc...you can only fit little 5 year old kids in and that's about it.

not sure about the SC430, but in the Porsche 911 girls and shorter guys can fit in the back seat (albeit snugly).

it's all about the sizing of the individuals in the front seat. I'm sure the CR-Z has 2 "dog" seats in the back since Japanese ppl are much smaller. the front occupants don't need to crank the seat all the way back, leaving more leg room for the rear passengers.

not sure why, but North Americans (short or tall) LOOOOVE to slam their seats wayyy back. I'm a pretty big guy at 6ft and 200lbs+, yet I was taught to sit closer to the steering wheel when young. many ppl comment that I sit so close to the steering wheel. sounds funny coming from them, when they are a lot smaller than I am.

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Originally Posted by death_blossom (Post 7708768)

not sure why, but North Americans (short or tall) LOOOOVE to slam their seats wayyy back.

*sarcasm* It's all about the gangsta' lean acting like we hot shit in our dad's TLs and G35s. :fuckyea: *sarcasm*

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2469/...80c3545994.jpg

wonder how'd it look like with a set of these...? :troll:

*IF* takumi ever does crash the 86 in the catalogue... would this be his new car?

^ I would think an AE86 vs GT86 would make a very appropriate end to that epic tale of an 18 year old delivery boy.

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Originally Posted by tofu1413 (Post 7709168)

*IF* takumi ever does crash the 86 in the catalogue... would this be his new car?

No... he would be dead because the car is such an old unsafe jap car

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Originally Posted by Sky_High (Post 7709256)

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/2799/240brzhi.jpg

Let's hope that's with the front seat slid all the way to the back.... :alone:

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Originally Posted by hk20000 (Post 7709281)

Let's hope that's with the front seat slid all the way to the back.... :alone:

watch this video..he said the Subaru BRZ will be a "2 seater"

2013 Subaru BRZ Revealed: 2011 Tokyo Motor Show

If it's gonna be a 2 seater, I don't know how well it will sell...
It's not like a Viper, Corvette, 370Z, NSX, etc...or S2000 and Miata.

Although the car is RWD, the size, power and the way it looks look like a it's something similar to RSX, Celica, Cobalt, Tiburon, etc...