Canada Post fully shut down cross country

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by Bonjour43MA

listening to these morons just make my head spin. the NDP is making the Posties' working condition sound like the most dangerous and treacherous environment out there, and that they DESERVE good pay, DESERVE good pension, DESERVE this, DESERVE that.

Why are postal workers so much more special than any other hardworking Canadian out there?

The longer this thing drags on the less I feel sympathetic of the Union and its members.

Why do they get to retire at 55yo with a full pension? Oh ya, somewhere along the lines we forgot that government workers are public servants, and paying them more than the average Canadian with gold plated benefits most Canadians don't have sure doesn't feel like they are my servants.

[MarkyMark]

Fuck I barely ever have stuff shipped to me and now that I have a couple things coming my way this happens, shitty
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[Amuse]

I started to ship stuff to US and pick up there since I don't think it will end soon. Free shipping from Asia and I have to go to the US and pay $3 each package lol. And that is still cheaper than buying from Canada!
The day when the lockout is over, we will all get a bag full of mail.

[RacingMetro92]

I'm watching this debate on CPAC...and jesus, the politicians love to go on tangents that almost seem unrelated to the strike. Filibustering is ridiculous. If this thing goes past Canada Day?

[ShadowBun]

if it does... someone is making a lot of $$ out of this

[Bonjour43MA]

Jack Layton and his NDP goons think that by filibustering this bill, the Canadian public will appreciate their effort in "standing up for the people", and improve their public support. Well Jack, you are DEAD WRONG. The more tricks you pull the more people will see just exactly what the NDP is for, and it is definitely not for the average Canadian.

I don't understand why they want to do this at the expense of the entire economy? If the Union and Canada Post are acutally trying to hammer out a deal AS WE SPEAK, then ok I see the point of dragging out this procedure. But hey guess what, NEITHER SIDE is interested in talking to each other and there's no more negotiation planned! The bill will pass no matter what so there's ABSOLUTELY no point in doing this right now.

Talk about power tripping... Jack Layton and the NDP goons, don't expect to be the official opposition party again in the next election because you won't get it.

[Slifer]

THIS IS FUCKING RIDICULOUS!
How long is this going to go on for?!

[Bonjour43MA]

Originally Posted by Slifer

THIS IS FUCKING RIDICULOUS!
How long is this going to go on for?!

The debate could be dragged out to Sunday and then I think they'll have to vote then. Once the bill is passed it becomes law and the postal workers have to return to work immediately... but then it will also depend on how Canada Post will get things back on track, i.e., they may get the workers to spend the first day or two to sort the mail and parcels, and start delivery again after.

I'm hoping that they will start delivering by next Wednesday at the latest.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Don't care I don't use the mail much at all anyways. Even customers I talk to most of them have switch to E-mail billing or is smart enough to call in about balance owning.

If I was in charge I would totally not do anything. Let those damma unions go on strike till everyone of the workers have no money to even put food on their table. Then have them sign a contract that's the same as any private company and get rib off the union.

Wages and benfits should be determine by how hard you work and how vauleable you are to a company. Not by how long you work in the company.

[Meowjin]

@ people in this thread.

Especially taylor.

[suprasian]

i would like to be thinking that while this is going on the union is considering some concessions and will table one final offer to cpc. the only problem is why would cpc take an offer that undercuts what the government is trying to legislate? im frustrated with this as much as all of you who are waiting for things but what the government is trying to force on us is unreasonable. the union did offer to go back to work, and continue to negotiate with cpc as long as cpc temporary puts back in the old collective agreement in place and they refused. the union is trying to deliver mail here but cpc is just going to sit back and wait for harpers law to be forced on. anyways been trying to keep up with the debates and they say they could be debating for another week so not good.....

[Bonjour43MA]

Originally Posted by MajinHurricane

@ people in this thread.

Especially taylor.

It's frustrating because lots of us have parcels stuck in transit, and have had to make changes to events that were planned around receiving these items ON TIME. One week delay? Fine we'll wait, 2 weeks? 3 weeks? a month? That's more than just some minor inconveniences for some people and that's why people are upset at the situation, and not necessarily at the postal workers.

Like I said, both sides are fucking morons and the Canadian public is suffering the consequences, INCLUDING the postal workers themselves. The NDP is not helping at all by dragging this on and it just makes people even more pissed off at the lockout/strike.

[Super Dipper]

in the end, no one will win. we will all suffer.

some of my co-workers will suffer, cdn's across this country will suffer.

I have little sympathy for mgmt bc during this lockout they are still getting a paycheque. But their hands are also tied bc of the decisions made. some forced, others decided upon. Its an ugly battle no matter which way you look at it. I do appreciate what the NDP are doing, but give it a rest. 40hrs straight in the HOC and you think the banter is going to yeild a decision. The majority govt still holds more seats and will be able to get a majority vote to pass the bill and get the delivery of mail going.

Its situations of this nature that make me glad that my education is going to get me out of this corp and move into more interesting places in my career. My run as a letter carrier and a postal worker of 10 years has been great, but im sick of this constant battle bwtn mgmt and the union.

[Bonjour43MA]

Looks like they're voting now? Live on CPAC.

[suprasian]

look like they're actually still debating. the union however has told the NDP to try and to ammend parts of the legislation which the union feels is most unfair but not the whole bill. cpc and the union have been negotiating today but again nothing fruitful have come from it

[Bonjour43MA]

They passed second reading... so looks like postal workers will be back to work on Monday.

About time.

[AlphaKappa]

Originally Posted by taylor192

No, fuck the union.

I'll put it into terms the retards here will understand. If you slap me in the face (threats to strike) then run around in circles to get away from me (rotating strikes) don't get upset when I knock you the fuck out (lockout) and kick you while you're down (Bill C-6).

The legal rotating strikes were to send a message, they just don't like the legal response. The lockout is legal, and what the Conservative government is doing is legal. You may not like it, the union may hate it, yet the union threw down the first challenge, and they are getting served.

As I said, don't start a war you cannot finish. The union was dumb to start this, and it will be ended, legally, once the motion eventually passes and becomes law.

you're a fucking ignorant asshole, put yourself in the position of the workers

perfect example of how the government is acting as a hypocracy as opposed to a democracy

[Bonjour43MA]

CUPW just sent a letter to Jack Layton, telling him what to do next:
http://www.cupw.ca/index.cfm?ci_id=13408&la_id=1

Can someone explain to me how the NDP "fights for the people" when they are so clearly backed and driven by Unions? Thank god they're not the majority government and I wouldn't be surprised if they lose the title of official opposition in the next election.

[StylinRed]

unions are made by the people for the people against the corporation

of course groups with their own interests will send their wishes to representatives of the govt....

are you trolling or are u just dumb? oO (i havent read the thread so i dont know what role ur taking)

[Vansterdam]

i want my jerseyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by AlphaKappa

you're a fucking ignorant asshole, put yourself in the position of the workers

perfect example of how the government is acting as a hypocracy as opposed to a democracy

You're just ignorant. Call me an asshole all you want, its called business.

I'll put myself in the role of a worker: I'm uneducated doing a manual labour job. I am really fucking lucky to make $50K/yr with gold plated benefits and able to retire early. Really fucking lucky, cause otherwise I'd be stuck working some shit job for 1/2 the pay and terrible benefits. I knew this salary/benefits was too good to be true, and am happy it lasted this long.

The government is doing exactly what it should: protecting the best interest of Canadians which is to get the mail moving again. The terms the government set are similar to what federal unionized employees are getting, so why do you think you deserve more than other government unionized employees? and more than the average Canadian?

That's what makes you an asshole with his hand out to Canadians, just greedy and fucking selfish, you should be ashamed.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by Bonjour43MA

Can someone explain to me how the NDP "fights for the people" when they are so clearly backed and driven by Unions? Thank god they're not the majority government and I wouldn't be surprised if they lose the title of official opposition in the next election.

The NDP have always represented unions, you must be new to politics.

It is disgusting how political parties can be influenced by unions, cause the union will buy votes to turn around and give them better benefits. Its an ugly greedy circle.

[iEatClams]

Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp

Don't care I don't use the mail much at all anyways. Even customers I talk to most of them have switch to E-mail billing or is smart enough to call in about balance owning.

If I was in charge I would totally not do anything. Let those damma unions go on strike till everyone of the workers have no money to even put food on their table. Then have them sign a contract that's the same as any private company and get rib off the union.

Wages and benfits should be determine by how hard you work and how vauleable you are to a company. Not by how long you work in the company.

Yes, let's bring everybody's wages and benefits down.

Coming this fall, the CBA for teachers will be up. They might go on strike as well.

I'm not really a fan of Unions as I am an opponent of how the Corporations are acting. They are driven by profits and the bottom line, and with globalization, they can ship jobs overseas to the lowest bidder.

The middle class is shrinking, and the gap between the rich and the poor is getting larger. The cost of living is going up but wages are not increasing.
For the majority, the real dollar pay and benefits are ever decreasing and hours worked are getting longer.

Some of the people on RS here probably live at home and are supported from their parents and never had to truly work for anything in their life. They prob don't know what it feels like to be the average worker whose's supporting a family on average income, only to have companies wanting them to work longer and for less pay.

Ask the average worker and most of them will say they are
1. underpaid,
2. working too long
3. wish they had higher pay and benefits

Then you got the CEOs and executives who have huge bonuses even when there companies lose money or go bankrupt, only to be bailed out by their rich politician friends.

[AlphaKappa]

so why do you think you deserve more than other government unionized employees? and more than the average Canadian?

I never said that. And you're just another brain washed idiot who believes the government always sorts things out.. ps we don't need a government to live, many times the government wasn't controlling a country and no chaos or none of that shit happened, everyone lived happiply.. OH ya, how am i selfish?

[RacingMetro92]

They're voting right now i think