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i think what he meant was every time raymond had tried it in his career, it had worked up until last night. not that 100% of all spinoramas have worked up until last night heh.
The most dangerous shooter on the shootout is someone who can score with many different tricks.
Johnathan Toews is a good example of this. 2007 IIHF U20 Canada vs USA Shootout - YouTube
As a goalie, you don't know what they are going to do. Shoot, where? Deke? Forehand, backhand?
In the shootout, as a goalie, you really don't have any time to "see" where the shot is going if the guy is a quality shooter. Most of the time, you have to just reach out and hope that your oversized gear will stop the puck.
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Yeah, it's 100% successful until it's finally stopped (which has been done in more than one occasion). That's like Ron Burgundy's "60% of the time it works... EVERY TIME" quote.
Can you just detach yourself from the argument and just think about how you sound? Because seriously, I can debunk your "I see nothing wrong with 1 trick ponies" with nothing more than a Ron Burgundy quote.
Obviously the best shooters are the ones that can switch things up and have more than one "go-to" move.
I was under the impression we were talking about Canuck shooters specifically.
In this situation, I see nothing wrong with a one-trick-pony (Burrows, Raymond) doing their almost 100% move vs their almost 0% moves.
I'm basically saying if that's all you got, better to do a move you're confident with than to waste a shootout opportunity doing something that probably won't work.
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i think what he meant was every time raymond had tried it in his career, it had worked up until last night. not that 100% of all spinoramas have worked up until last night heh.
Yes... but actually, besides last night, and Shannon's poorly-executed attempt (which I already explained why it failed), I actually haven't witnessed it being stopped before.
I haven't seen every shootout of course, but if someone has a clip of it being stopped besides Raymond's legit attempt, then please post it.
Noir, you said it has been stopped on more than one occasion. You're not referring to Shannon's attempt, are you? Or are you talking about a non-NHL game?
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Yes... but actually, besides last night, and Shannon's poorly-executed attempt (which I already explained why it failed), I actually haven't witnessed it being stopped before.
I haven't seen every shootout of course, but if someone has a clip of it being stopped besides Raymond's legit attempt, then please post it.
Noir, you said it has been stopped on more than one occasion. You're not referring to Shannon's attempt, are you? Or are you talking about a non-NHL game?
What?! Why do I got to prove it to you?
1. I showed you a video and there was another instance last night. And that's all you were asking for previously. Now that you haven't just been proven wrong once, but twice, you still refuse and ask further evidence? What's stopping you from asking more once more evidence surface?
2. I'm talking about NHL and otherwise. And take it from a guy who grew up in minor hockey (albeit never juniors but house leagues) and currently plays 3 to 4 games a week in 2 or more different teams plus pickups. (SumAznGuy can vouch for it, I played for one of his teams and won a championship together with him, and am currently playing against his team in the local beer leagues).
And in your case you only started playing no? It's kind of a bit odd when you say you've never seen X and Y stopped and therefore deem X or Y move as unstoppable since:
a) you just started playing
b) any hockey exposure beyond that is limited to how much within an 82 game season you can watch
c) NHL shootouts really only started a handful of seasons ago
So to declare that "you've never seen it been stopped before", you're speaking from an EXTREMELY EXTREMELY small sample size and you got proven wrong within games of your initial argument, TWICE. And BTW, just because you may be personally having trouble saving spin-o-ramas doesn't mean they're unstoppable. Just like Burrows supposedly unstoppable forehand backhand deke, all it takes is for a goalie not to bite too hard on your initial fake.
Why do you think Burrows and Raymond's 5-hole shootouts went in recently? Because goalies are starting to read that these guys don't shoot (they fake) on the first move.
Which also if you think about it... debunks your 1 trick pony theory to an extent. Because as you can see, now some goalies are starting to read the Canuck's players tendencies; and considering how well we know Raymond, even we as audiences could see the spin-o-rama coming a mile away when he approached his attempt in an aggressively wide angle.
1. I showed you a video and there was another instance last night. And that's all you were asking for previously. Now that you haven't just been proven wrong once, but twice, you still refuse and ask further evidence? What's stopping you from asking more once more evidence surface?
2. I'm talking about NHL and otherwise. And take it from a guy who grew up in minor hockey (albeit never juniors but house leagues) and currently plays 3 to 4 games a week in 2 or more different teams plus pickups. (SumAznGuy can vouch for it, I played for one of his teams and won a championship together with him, and am currently playing against his team in the local beer leagues).
And in your case you only started playing no? It's kind of a bit odd when you say you've never seen X and Y stopped and therefore deem X or Y move as unstoppable since:
a) you just started playing
b) any hockey exposure beyond that is limited to how much within an 82 game season you can watch
c) NHL shootouts really only started a handful of seasons ago
So to declare that "you've never seen it been stopped before", you're speaking from an EXTREMELY EXTREMELY small sample size and you got proven wrong within games of your initial argument, TWICE. And BTW, just because you may be personally having trouble saving spin-o-ramas doesn't mean they're unstoppable. Just like Burrows supposedly unstoppable forehand backhand deke, all it takes is for a goalie not to bite too hard on your initial fake.
Why do you think Burrows and Raymond's 5-hole shootouts went in recently? Because goalies are starting to read that these guys don't shoot (they fake) on the first move.
Which also if you think about it... debunks your 1 trick pony theory to an extent. Because as you can see, now some goalies are starting to read the Canuck's players tendencies; and considering how well we know Raymond, even we as audiences could see the spin-o-rama coming a mile away when he approached his attempt in an aggressively wide angle.
I think you've beaten this shootout topic like a horse already. If I have to read 5 more pages about spinoramas or Raymond being in the shootout......
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