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Old 07-01-2011, 12:33 PM   #26
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What do you think of the SGs2 comapred with the iphone.
I'ved used both and im gonna say fuck iphone/itunes/ios.
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Old 07-01-2011, 01:43 PM   #27
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If all you want is a physical keyboard MANY Android phones will have that in large scale or same scale as what RIM has to offer.
I don't really want a keyboard, but I think maybe BB users might have difficulty letting the idea go.

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I just love on my BB how everything is integrated. I take a picture, and press the menu button and I can send it via email, via facebook, via whatsapp, via MMS. iOS only allows you to do it thru email or MMS. And if you want to attach more things to an email, it's easy to do - with iOS - there's a long workaround to do it.

Unfortunately, I've never had an Android Device, and considering how much of a tweaker I am, I think I will have fun with it.
This is how integrated my photos/gallery is with my Galaxy S.
I can share via: all share, sms, picasa, google buzz, evernote, google docs, facebook, whatsapp, google+, bluetooth and email. I'm actually impressed it was this integrated.


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well, for me anyways, the physical keyboard doesn't matter for me. I pretty much memorized the iphone keyboard and can type perfectly without looking, the only problem is that I don't see if it autocorrected into something wrong.
Well, I don't really know how you iphone guys do it. Everytime I pick one up, I feel like a rooster pecking at a screen. Seems so tedious and slow, so prone to error.

I use swype, it's like touch typing, but instead of having to nail each letter correctly, you just trace out the shape of your words on the screen and get it close to your desired keys.

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these are the ONLY two reasons I know of why the majority of the population has a blackberry..

1) their work gave them one
2) BBM

I fall under the ladder. If it were not for BBM I would not have gotten the Blackberry.
It's a dumbass reason, but BBM is the most superior IM client ever created for a phone.
If Apple made "Apple Messenger" a native IM client built into their device they would completely wipe out RIM. I would switch to an iPhone the next day
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these are the ONLY two reasons I know of why the majority of the population has a blackberry..

1) their work gave them one
2) BBM

I fall under the ladder. If it were not for BBM I would not have gotten the Blackberry.
It's a dumbass reason, but BBM is the most superior IM client ever created for a phone.
If Apple made "Apple Messenger" a native IM client built into their device they would completely wipe out RIM. I would switch to an iPhone the next day
Got to love patents.

I've done no research, but I assume thats why apple and everyone has not replicated BBM into their units.

Hardware to run it can't be much of a problem with the server farms operated by Apple or google.
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these are the ONLY two reasons I know of why the majority of the population has a blackberry..

1) their work gave them one
2) BBM

I fall under the ladder. If it were not for BBM I would not have gotten the Blackberry.
It's a dumbass reason, but BBM is the most superior IM client ever created for a phone.
If Apple made "Apple Messenger" a native IM client built into their device they would completely wipe out RIM. I would switch to an iPhone the next day
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Old 07-02-2011, 12:06 AM   #31
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Newb question: Does Google have a secure email server, like RIM, for real-time e-mail? I know Apple doesn't.

If not, case closed. If you want real-time and secure e-mail, your only option is Blackberry. There are many of use who actually use email and don't use our phones to chat, play games, listen to music, etc.
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Old 07-02-2011, 12:19 AM   #32
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Somebody's gotta explain in plain language to me what a secure email server is.

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Old 07-02-2011, 12:34 AM   #33
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Newb question: Does Google have a secure email server, like RIM, for real-time e-mail? I know Apple doesn't.

If not, case closed. If you want real-time and secure e-mail, your only option is Blackberry. There are many of use who actually use email and don't use our phones to chat, play games, listen to music, etc.
Where did you get this info from? I don't think you have a clue on how email works or technology for that matter.

If your email server provides SSL, you have encryption and it's real-time.

The only good thing about RIM is that if your email server doesn't support SSL, then it will still be encrypted anyway since you setup your pop email account in BIS.
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For me, BlackBerry has always kept me as a customer for the following:

1) Physical keyboard
2) BBM
3) LED light
4) Easy housing changes

The third one is a BIG advantage compared to Android and iPhone. I have friends with iPhones and they've always had to check when they got a text, at random times. I can't say for the Android on the other hand.

The 4th one is also a great bonus. If I'm ever bored of how my phone looks, I can always change the color of it etc. With the iPhone...that's a completely different story.

The led is a huge plus for notifying me when I get a text instead of just checking my phone at random times


The iPhone4 has interested me with it's fast browsing and very impressive camera quality, compared to a BlackBerry, the browsing and camera is shit on it lol. I'm not a big fan on touch screens, but if Apple ever had a phone with the top 4 + fast browsing app + great camera, count me in.
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Blackberry for work - reliable and I know my emails will be sent/received. I'm very happy with:

the battery life
easy to navigate
physical keyboard
syncs with CRM - don't think droids offer MS CRM yet?
BB messenger
Not a fan of touch (or just could be the X10 sucks balls)

And most importantly, it was free from work. I just can't see our office using iphones or droids because of the optics. I really want to give the Nokia E6 a try though.

Keep in mind, my perspective is most likely different than 90% of RS who are more likely tech savy. My priorities are reliability and communication. Nothing fancy, it's a working tool not a toy for me.
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I think people are blackberry loyal for the following reasons.

1. Its a working tool, it is still the phone of choice by most large corporations, and it is reliable for work needs.
2.The "professionalism" image associated with BBs. Hard to deny in the working world, a lot of professionals still see Iphones as more of a toy than a professional/business device. Its the same reason why business laptops do not look fancy, they look professional + they work.
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I used to work for a large logistics company..well, the largest actually. And these types of problems permeate any company that used to have a really good thing going on then lost it.

The worst thing that can happen is "business as usual".

For us, it was a license to print money. We had people stacked in every corner possible running around thinking they were important. We had a large client that just paid the bill and didn't ask questions.

Then the port strike hit.

Suddenly, we had to adapt and quickly. We had no idea how to do it.
I think this describes RIM and Nokia pretty well. They both grew into giants beginning either in the 90s or early 2000s and what was working pre-2008 was not something that worked by 2009: the market had drastically changed and they didn't see it coming until it did. Trying to change momentum in mindset and culture of a large organization (of many individuals) that quickly is difficult to do, especially if it's not coming from the top. I gather ppl in your company went through a range of emotions like denial, resistance, blame, and anger before reaching acceptance. Unfortunately, it takes a few years to build a smart phone platform from scratch. Even then, it's not guaranteed to be good.

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In related news, Nortel Networks patent portfolio was just sold. Initially it was thought that a single company would buy it (Google offered up $900 million).

Then it was announced that Apple, Microsoft, RIM, Sony, EMC and Ericsson got together and paid a whopping $4.5 billion. RIM's share was reportedly $770 million and Ericsson's was $340 million.

Interesting that RIM paid that much money and also interesting they did it as part of a group of companies that are basically competitors in the smartphone market.


So what does this mean for Android, since Google, Samsung, Motorola and HTC were all left out of this deal.
It means Google still needs a patent portfolio either by building one up or buying one. Infringement is less of a deal if the other guy is also infringing on your patents. That's why it makes sense for these guys to team up.
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I have an iPhone and BB Bold for work. What usually ends up happening is read the emails on the iPhone and type the response on the BB. Hahaha. Someone earlier mentioned that BBM is the "best msging platform". Why exactly?

iMessage coming out soon. Should be pretty much curtains for BBM, or at least a lot of it.
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For me, all blackberries had going was the physical keyboard.. meant messaging and texting was much faster.
I feel the same. I had 2 BBs cause I loved the hardware, the keyboard was fantastic to use.

I finally got sick of the lack of app support and moved to Android. With the Swype keyboard I am completely hooked and have no reason to go back to a physical keyboard.
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It is hilarious how much I miss such a simple feature! All phones should have this.
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Does any Android phone have an LED indicator?

Physical keyboard, LED indicator and battery life is what's keeping me on a BB, despite the archaic UI.
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Unfortunately, I've never had an Android Device, and considering how much of a tweaker I am, I think I will have fun with it.
You'll love Android! Widgets and launchers are so much fun to customize!

I've got 7 home screens of various widgets that I don't even have to start an application to send a message, send an email, check my calendar/agenda, check the weather, read the news, play songs, toggle wifi/bluetooth/vibrate/..., kill apps, and tons more!
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I use swype, it's like touch typing, but instead of having to nail each letter correctly, you just trace out the shape of your words on the screen and get it close to your desired keys.

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I find swype quite hard to get used to, tried it on my friends phone for awhile : / but nonetheless, its a great feature
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damn... the letter is ery well written...
and i must admit... its true...

I am in a market for an iPhone, and I am even considering the BB, I keep labeling BB as Boring/work/efficient phone.... iPhone as trendy/fun whatever...

after all i am an average joe... ya...
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Ok, once and for all, I gotta hear why people love their blackberries. I just don't get it.

If the user-end experience isn't there (meaning the GUI is lacking), what the hell is left that makes you loyal to it? All fanboyism aside, what does it do better for you, that android or iphone doesn't?
the keyboard and the email
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It is hilarious how much I miss such a simple feature! All phones should have this.
I forgot to mention the LED as well - I leave my phone on silent at work - just keep my LED on, so I know when people message me. And it makes it so easy so I don't have to keep hitting my screen to see if any messages have come across.

Can you use swype without looking at the screen? I like the idea of it, and I know it's fast, but typing without looking at my keyboard is really handy.
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To this day I still don't understand the BBM hype.

How is it different than texting? Is it because you feel like you're in a conversation rather than leaving messages? ie. the difference between emails and msn?

Is it the exclusivity of it? that only blackberry owners can use it?

For the last year I kept saying to myself "All iPhone needs is their own bbm and blackberry will be done" and BAM! iMessage is coming out and I'm excited! But then I think, isn't apps like Whatsapp, LiveProfile, TextPlus, Kakaotalk, etc. better since they are cross platform? If I use iMessage primarily, I won't be able to talk to my android friends.


About the LED light. Rumors is that iPhone 5 will have it.

I'm jealous of Swype on the Android.


The good thing about the iPhone is although they are slow and added features that already exist on other phones, they WILL implement them eventually. So the phone you love just gets better. It's like Apple's way of ing. They know everyone loves the iPhone already and they don't have to be THAT innovative on their features, just gotta slowly release already existing features.
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BBM hype makes no sense really. since whatsapp came along bbm is basically toast.
people only hang on to thier BBs because they already have friends with BBs who probably refuse to install whatsapp.

LED is nice, but how could you hold on to a phone because of something like that, and ignore everything else bad about it?

there are software LEDs on android, where when you get a msg, the screen stays black and a colored square sort of flashes on the screen to indicate what type of notification you have.

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There's also 1 huge advantage that BlackBerry has and iPhone/Android doesn't:

Housing changes.

Each BlackBerry that is being released is easier and easier to change, compared to an iPhone/Android. If you try opening it [iPhone/Android], and try changing the parts, you can easily fuck up your phone in the process. It's a different story with BlackBerry's
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