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Same can be said with a BlackBerry, but how long will you get bored of how your phone looks like? Wouldn't you want your phone to be unique/different than someone elses?
Same can be said with a BlackBerry, but how long will you get bored of how your phone looks like? Wouldn't you want your phone to be unique/different than someone elses?
Maybe it's just me
When you get bored, you get a new phone
BB users are a strange breed indeed but I do sympathize with them as there is a certain kind of charm with BlackBerries. It's sort of like people who prefer classic cars to modern cars. The list of negatives are long with a classic car but the few positive attributes it has really do win you over.
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There's also 1 huge advantage that BlackBerry has and iPhone/Android doesn't:
Housing changes.
Each BlackBerry that is being released is easier and easier to change, compared to an iPhone/Android. If you try opening it [iPhone/Android], and try changing the parts, you can easily fuck up your phone in the process. It's a different story with BlackBerry's
iPhone users actually don't care about housings because they have so many fucking cases. I know people who want an iPhone because they want some of those nice cases...
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Yes, newer BBs are easier to swap housings, but the build quality is getting crappier as well. I would know I own the 9780.
Really? I found the quality to be pretty good on the 9780. No loose/squeaky parts and the phone is quite solid
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the keyboard and the email
What's the email like? I've got zero complaints with my native gmail app, but if blackberry's email app is better, I'll start looking for a better aftermarket solution.
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LED is nice, but how could you hold on to a phone because of something like that, and ignore everything else bad about it?
there are software LEDs on android, where when you get a msg, the screen stays black and a colored square sort of flashes on the screen to indicate what type of notification you have.
I've used BB, iphone, winmo and android, and the reason why I keep going back to blackberries is because of the email, keyboard, battery life and reception.
I text a lot, and my battery can easily last me 2 days on heavy usage. Where as on the iphone, android and winmo I find that the battery is almost dead by 9pm, which I absolutely cannot stand.
IPhones and Androids feel like a toy more than a phone, sure you can download all those different games and apps, but to me, it doesn't do what a phone is supposed to do, have great battery life, reception and a good keyboard. Especially if you text a lot, the touchscreen keyboard on the iphone and android is a pain in the ass, even with Swype on the android, I type a lot of slang and I believe you have to go into swype and program all the slang words that you use, where as on the blackberry I don't have to program anything.
But then again, the lack of apps on the blackberry is really pissing me off haha
Ok, once and for all, I gotta hear why people love their blackberries. I just don't get it.
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It's a dumbass reason, but BBM is the most superior IM client ever created for a phone.
If Apple made "Apple Messenger" a native IM client built into their device they would completely wipe out RIM. I would switch to an iPhone the next day
This debate can go on forever. I've written an article about this once, and I'll see what I can remember..
I have both an iPhone and a Berry. I'll try and put a different angle on it.
You can't argue with:
iPhone wins - Apps and browsing.
BB wins - E-mail, messaging, speed.
No question that iPhone wins on apps.
People can type exponentially faster on a tactile keyboard because we get used to the feel and location of the physical keys. Don't even wanna get started with iPhone's autocorrect.
BB's e-mail system is way more work-friendly. What blows me away is with all this intricate programming, an iPhone can't even "mark all e-mails as read."
Reason why BBM is (and might always be) the most superior instant messaging client: exclusivity. Just like Facebook.
First of all, the obvious - it's faster. Especially when you really get into the conversation. Has group chat, instant picture sending, voice notes, and more.
But ultimately - It's one step below asking for someone's phone number, but it's one step above having someone's phone number. It's more casual. It gives the user a feel of close exclusiveness. People are more willing to post up their PINs than phone numbers online. Phone numbers get tossed left and right, everyone has everyone's phone number - family, friends, school, work, plumber, pizza shop.. etc. But to have that direct contact with someone, and know if they're checking their phone on the other end, is something text messaging doesn't have. For lack of a better word, it's "cooler."
The best App I've seen that mimics BBM is one called Whatsapp. It has group chats, does the pictures, has the "delivered" and "received" on messages, and so on. It even connects BB's with iPhones with Androids!
The only downside is that users must go out of their way to download it, and it works through phone numbers instead of some sort of PIN code.
Apple is also coming out with iMessage, which is, quote, "BBM for iPhone." They're finally pulling the trigger and not even hiding the fact that it's Apple's direct copy of BBM.
In the end, BBM did it first. And disregarding the business end, they will always have that going for them. Just like all these new Facebook and Youtube knockoffs that will never have the same impact as the original.
On iPhone's end, hell, they have unlimited Apps out there. Pretty self-explanitory.
The way I see it, it's a personal choice between Apps, or Messaging/e-mail. To each their own.
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care to explain in practical terms, what the difference is?
ive used both extensively and i dont think whatsapp sucks at all.
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IPhones and Androids feel like a toy more than a phone, sure you can download all those different games and apps, but to me, it doesn't do what a phone is supposed to do, have great battery life, reception and a good keyboard.
But then again, the lack of apps on the blackberry is really pissing me off haha
the thing about phones is, they've evolved into so much more than phones. i wouldnt even say the primary purpose of my phone is for calling anymore.
msging, browsing, apps, gps, all this stuff has become what a phone is meant for today.
im surprised they are still calling them phones. they should be called personal devices or something like that. so to choose a phone because "it does what a phone should do" is a terrible reason. it might have made sense if we were living in the 90s, but nowadays a phone is "supposed to do" much more than it used to. and thats where a blackberry just fails at being a "phone".
Reason why BBM is (and might always be) the most superior instant messaging client: exclusivity. Just like Facebook.
First of all, the obvious - it's faster. Especially when you really get into the conversation. Has group chat, instant picture sending, voice notes, and more.
But ultimately - It's one step below asking for someone's phone number, but it's one step above having someone's phone number. It's more casual. It gives the user a feel of close exclusiveness. People are more willing to post up their PINs than phone numbers online. Phone numbers get tossed left and right, everyone has everyone's phone number - family, friends, school, work, plumber, pizza shop.. etc. But to have that direct contact with someone, and know if they're checking their phone on the other end, is something text messaging doesn't have. For lack of a better word, it's "cooler."
The best App I've seen that mimics BBM is one called Whatsapp. It has group chats, does the pictures, has the "delivered" and "received" on messages, and so on. It even connects BB's with iPhones with Androids!
The only downside is that users must go out of their way to download it, and it works through phone numbers instead of some sort of PIN code.
Apple is also coming out with iMessage, which is, quote, "BBM for iPhone." They're finally pulling the trigger and not even hiding the fact that it's Apple's direct copy of BBM.
In the end, BBM did it first. And disregarding the business end, they will always have that going for them. Just like all these new Facebook and Youtube knockoffs that will never have the same impact as the original.
Many people buy BlackBerries because of BBM, and now that iOS 5 has its own iMessage with basically all the features BBM has, people will probably choose iPhone>BlackBerry. What I see happening, is that BBM users will stick with a BlackBerry as they already have all their friends/groups on BBM, but the average people who have never used a Blackberry before and are deciding between the two will most likely choose the iPhone. As for single guys and gals, they will continue to use BBM, because girls with nails clearly cannot type on iPhones!
Regarding the impact iMessage will have.. obviously it will not have the same impact, but people will not switch over to BlackBerries just because they are the Original. They want to use what their friends are using and iPhone's user base is obviously larger globally. I say globally, because it's not really the case in Vancouver because I do see A LOT of BlackBerries wherever I go. And according to these stats, BlackBerry has 42% of the Canadian smartphone market and Apple only has 31%.
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the thing about phones is, they've evolved into so much more than phones. i wouldnt even say the primary purpose of my phone is for calling anymore.
msging, browsing, apps, gps, all this stuff has become what a phone is meant for today.
im surprised they are still calling them phones. they should be called personal devices or something like that. so to choose a phone because "it does what a phone should do" is a terrible reason. it might have made sense if we were living in the 90s, but nowadays a phone is "supposed to do" much more than it used to. and thats where a blackberry just fails at being a "phone".
I agree that phones have evolved a lot, but how does a blackberry not do most of the things you listed?
Messaging - Blackberry is still at the top
Browsing - not as good as the iphone but it still works when I want to browse websites, news, RS, etc
Apps - iphone wins this hands down
GPS - Google Maps is just as good on the BB vs the iphone
but in the end i'm a old school person and everyone has different values of what a 'phone' is 'supposed to do'. It's cool and all that it can play angry birds (which I loved when I had my iphone) but to most blackberry users (which is decreasing day by day) what I want in a phone is a real keyboard, good reception and good battery life which will last me at least a day on heavy usage, which is impossible on these 4" phones with AMOLED screens coming out nowadays. Not to mention a LED light to remind me of missed calls
I've used an iphone and android before and I keep going back to a blackberry because it does well in what I value in a phone
For iMessage. I assume u can add ppl by either phone #s or emails? There's no iMessage pin right?
Been playing around with iOS 5 Beta (and also the SDK). Here are the features so far....
- Yes, you can identify people via e-mail or phone number.
- People in your list are identified by the device. If they also have an iDevice, you will see an icon showing this and anything sent to them will go through iMessage. If your contact is using a regular phone, you will also know this by an icon.
- For people with another iDevice, you will know if they are "online" and available.
- iMessage works over WiFi/3G so you can send unlimited texts without worrying about your carrier charging you for messages (the carriers probably don't like this). If sending to a "normal" phone, iMessage will use SMS.
- Of course, you can send texts, photos, videos, locations and contacts.
- Group messaging.
- Delivery and read receipts.
- You can tell when the other person is typing in real time.
- With iCloud, you can start a conversation on your iPhone and pick it up later on any other iDevice and it retains the continuity.
- Secure encryption of text messages.
Been playing around with iOS 5 Beta (and also the SDK). Here are the features so far....
- Yes, you can identify people via e-mail or phone number.
- People in your list are identified by the device. If they also have an iDevice, you will see an icon showing this and anything sent to them will go through iMessage. If your contact is using a regular phone, you will also know this by an icon.
- For people with another iDevice, you will know if they are "online" and available.
- iMessage works over WiFi/3G so you can send unlimited texts without worrying about your carrier charging you for messages (the carriers probably don't like this). If sending to a "normal" phone, iMessage will use SMS.
- Of course, you can send texts, photos, videos, locations and contacts.
- Group messaging.
- Delivery and read receipts.
- You can tell when the other person is typing in real time.
- With iCloud, you can start a conversation on your iPhone and pick it up later on any other iDevice and it retains the continuity.
- Secure encryption of text messages.
In all, this is a huge upgrade for iPhone users.
So if you wanted to add someone to talk to on iMessage without asking for their phone number, do you just make a new contact in the phone list with just the e-mail??
Also what if the other person has an iDevice but I want to send via SMS instead of data?
I have unlimited texts but 500mb data so I would like to use my text msgs instead at times
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So if you wanted to add someone to talk to on iMessage without asking for their phone number, do you just make a new contact in the phone list with just the e-mail??
Also what if the other person has an iDevice but I want to send via SMS instead of data?
I have unlimited texts but 500mb data so I would like to use my text msgs instead at times
My understanding is that you can choose how to send the message. However, iOS 5 isn;t final so who knows what might change.
So if you wanted to add someone to talk to on iMessage without asking for their phone number, do you just make a new contact in the phone list with just the e-mail??
Yes. It works the same way currently if you want to FaceTime someone with an iPad or iPod Touch.
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I text a lot, and my battery can easily last me 2 days on heavy usage. Where as on the iphone, android and winmo I find that the battery is almost dead by 9pm, which I absolutely cannot stand.
IPhones and Androids feel like a toy more than a phone, sure you can download all those different games and apps, but to me, it doesn't do what a phone is supposed to do, have great battery life, reception and a good keyboard. Especially if you text a lot, the touchscreen keyboard on the iphone and android is a pain in the ass, even with Swype on the android, I type a lot of slang and I believe you have to go into swype and program all the slang words that you use, where as on the blackberry I don't have to program anything.
No offense it is funny to say BBs don't feel like toys then admit to txting a lot of slang
I programmed my BB with all the slang I used to improve typing of slang and swear words. I was pleasantly surprised to find that my nexus s had most swear words in the dictionary
This debate can go on forever. I've written an article about this once, and I'll see what I can remember..
I have both an iPhone and a Berry. I'll try and put a different angle on it.
You can't argue with:
iPhone wins - Apps and browsing.
BB wins - E-mail, messaging, speed.
No question that iPhone wins on apps.
People can type exponentially faster on a tactile keyboard because we get used to the feel and location of the physical keys. Don't even wanna get started with iPhone's autocorrect.
BB's e-mail system is way more work-friendly. What blows me away is with all this intricate programming, an iPhone can't even "mark all e-mails as read."
These two things stuck out to me,
You do realize that BB still can't even get IMAP accounts working properly (wtf upwards of 1hr+ to sync gmail accounts?) and 45 min refresh rate for Exchange accounts unless you're on a BES server? No wonder corporates are moving away from RIM, that's a joke
I do admit I was way more fond of banging out emails on my berry vs iPhone or Android, but those two features alone made me laugh at anyone saying BB's EMAIL is their strength, much less "work-friendly"
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