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ae101 · 07-27-2011, 09:36 AM

calling 911 would be smart but hey hes a man & men sometime tend to do the 1st think that comes to mind when they panic/emergency

StylinRed · 07-27-2011, 09:43 AM

didn't read the full story, no time sorry, he's lucky he didnt kill his wife and kids going 170km/h or anyone else

zulutango · 07-27-2011, 09:48 AM

Questions come to mind. Why didn't dad pull over, take out his cell phone and call 911...or ask the first Cop to call him an ambulance? If the emergency was as bad as he is painting now (while trying to overturn his conviction) how come he didn't immediately demand an ambulance? Maybe the situation wasn't as bad as he is now saying? The judge who heard all the facts, convicted him. Why did he continue to drive dangerously, endangering himself, his wife and new baby and maybe other road users, specially after being stopped the second time, for an extended period of time? The second time he drove for at least 50 kms before getting stopped ( 160 kmh X 30 minutes) . There is no statement to the fact that he has received advanced driver training and was trained to drive at 100mph plus speeds while under extreme mental distress. It's hard enough to drive safely at that speed while trained to do so in a properly designed and equipped vehicle, while calm and thinking clearly.

Any Cop who would "give him an escort" would be laying his job and future on the line. It's difficult enough to drive 2 fully marked Cop cars with full emergency equipment activated, but to have a second civillian vehicle is suicidal. Drivers only see the first Cop car and never look for the second. A woman was killed in Duncan a while back when she did exactly that and pulled out in front of the second Cop car without looking.

The proper procedure is to drive sensibly and safely and not endanger people. If you crash then you compound the problem. If you cannot contact medical help by phone then head to the nearest place you can, not drive back home at high speed. If the Police stop you then you request they call you an ambulance. If it is so urgent that you cannot wait (this guy obviously chose to drive at 100 mph speeds for at least 30 minutes instead of wait 15 for an ambulance) then the Police will transport the injured party in the PC, towards the incoming ambulance. I have run into this exact situation several times in the past and this is what I did. I also instructed the driver to continue at legal speeds, to the hospital as his speeding behind me would not help anyone. The last time this happened I became god father to the new baby girl and everybody arrived safely. My attention had been attracted by the distraught dad passing my PC at speeds over 160kmh. He pulled over, I realized the seriousness of the problem, called an ambulance to immediately attend, his pregnant high-risk wife in the PC and drove towards help. We met at roadside about 15 minutes later and she was transferred to them and the hospital.

[I]"For the time being, David Weber is left wondering what might have happened had he been delayed even longer. Perhaps a Canadian solicitor will show interest in the case and charge the police with endangering the lives of Mrs. Weber and her baby?

Maybe Mr Webber could consider how inconsiderate and dangerous his actions were and how he actually endangered their lives and that of others? Those same lawyers he wants would be the first to draw and quarter him in any cvil action resulting in any damage or injury resulting from his dangerous driving? )

]but the larger question is why the police were such sticklers for official procedure in the face of a medical emergency. Certainly, there are many officers who would react differently in the face of the same circumstances.

One has to ask why? I'm sure the investigation that got him suspended asked those questions. If it had been me, he would not have been permitted to drive away after the first time. Immediate medical help would have been summoned and I would have taken his wife to meet it. Seeing that Mr Webber " told the Free Press that he has taken his situation to the media in the hopes of garnering public support." then that puts a whole new bunch of questions in front of us. If Mr Webber is telling the whole truth and he described his wife as being in urgent need of treatment for a life-threatening medical emergency, I can't see any Police officer not immediately getting it...let alone two of them. This is his story, being reported by a media outlet looking for headlines and readers, and by Mr Webber who wants a decision reversed that was made by an impartial tryer of facts who heard the whole story.

PornMaster · 07-27-2011, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by zulutango

Questions come to mind. Why didn't dad pull over, take out his cell phone and call 911...or ask the first Cop to call him an ambulance? If the emergency was as bad as he is painting now (while trying to overturn his conviction) how come he didn't immediately demand an ambulance? Maybe the situation wasn't as bad as he is now saying? The judge who heard all the facts, convicted him. Why did he continue to drive dangerously, endangering himself, his wife and new baby and maybe other road users, specially after being stopped the second time, for an extended period of time? The second time he drove for at least 50 kms before getting stopped ( 160 kmh X 30 minutes) . There is no statement to the fact that he has received advanced driver training and was trained to drive at 100mph plus speeds while under extreme mental distress. It's hard enough to drive safely at that speed while trained to do so in a properly designed and equipped vehicle, while calm and thinking clearly.

Any Cop who would "give him an escort" would be laying his job and future on the line. It's difficult enough to drive 2 fully marked Cop cars with full emergency equipment activated, but to have a second civillian vehicle is suicidal. Drivers only see the first Cop car and never look for the second. A woman was killed in Duncan a while back when she did exactly that and pulled out in front of the second Cop car without looking.

The proper procedure is to drive sensibly and safely and not endanger people. If you crash then you compound the problem. If you cannot contact medical help by phone then head to the nearest place you can, not drive back home at high speed. If the Police stop you then you request they call you an ambulance. If it is so urgent that you cannot wait (this guy obviously chose to drive at 100 mph speeds for at least 30 minutes instead of wait 15 for an ambulance) then the Police will transport the injured party in the PC, towards the incoming ambulance. I have run into this exact situation several times in the past and this is what I did. I also instructed the driver to continue at legal speeds, to the hospital as his speeding behind me would not help anyone. The last time this happened I became god father to the new baby girl and everybody arrived safely. My attention had been attracted by the distraught dad passing my PC at speeds over 160kmh. He pulled over, I realized the seriousness of the problem, called an ambulance to immediately attend, his pregnant high-risk wife in the PC and drove towards help. We met at roadside about 15 minutes later and she was transferred to them and the hospital.

[I]"For the time being, David Weber is left wondering what might have happened had he been delayed even longer. Perhaps a Canadian solicitor will show interest in the case and charge the police with endangering the lives of Mrs. Weber and her baby?

Maybe Mr Webber could consider how inconsiderate and dangerous his actions were and how he actually endangered their lives and that of others? Those same lawyers he wants would be the first to draw and quarter him in any cvil action resulting in any damage or injury resulting from his dangerous driving? )

]but the larger question is why the police were such sticklers for official procedure in the face of a medical emergency. Certainly, there are many officers who would react differently in the face of the same circumstances.

One has to ask why? I'm sure the investigation that got him suspended asked those questions. If it had been me, he would not have been permitted to drive away after the first time. Immediate medical help would have been summoned and I would have taken his wife to meet it. Seeing that Mr Webber " told the Free Press that he has taken his situation to the media in the hopes of garnering public support." then that puts a whole new bunch of questions in front of us. If Mr Webber is telling the whole truth and he described his wife as being in urgent need of treatment for a life-threatening medical emergency, I can't see any Police officer not immediately getting it...let alone two of them. This is his story, being reported by a media outlet looking for headlines and readers, and by Mr Webber who wants a decision reversed that was made by an impartial tryer of facts who heard the whole story.

You sound like a fucking prick ass guy.

So your saying if you were the cop and pulled him over you would not let him drive away and let his baby die in the womb of the mother?

WOW

you know how traumatizing it is for a women to lose their baby?

If it was your wife and you knew you had to make it to the hospital or lose your baby would you do the same?

Greenstoner · 07-27-2011, 10:00 AM

i didnt comment on the article when i posted.. i agreed to many posters here in some ways, sort of 50/50 too

however 170km is a bit scary ...... but i couldnt suggest any other better solution other than calling emergency services.

Jsunu · 07-27-2011, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by zulutango

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Personality I have more questions for the first cop who pulled them over. Seeing the state they were in, why let them continue driving despite the fact that he knew they would speed in the future. He could've have done another of things including calling for the ambulance.

Look we all know that what he did was dangerous and breaking the law, but it is just hard to not feel sympathetic to their plight since we all can imagine situations where speed is a factor in saving a loved one. Doesn't excused his actions though so im torn about it. Just bad decisions on both the couple and the police in my opinion.

StylinRed · 07-27-2011, 10:03 AM

id like to know where they were that they had to travel so long for a hospital?

was he just in a rush to get to the hospital They use? he should have been able to easily travel to a nearby hospital in less time

if you look @ manitoba and their hospital locations... they're strewn everywhere (even health centres fitted for child birth/care)

TouringTeg · 07-27-2011, 10:10 AM

Thanks for commenting Zulu.

I think that your decision to put the patient in your PC and continue with lights and sirens to meet the ambulance (or directly to the hospital) would have provided the safest outcome for all parties involved.

Gumby · 07-27-2011, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by zulutango

I have run into this exact situation several times in the past and this is what I did. I also instructed the driver to continue at legal speeds, to the hospital as his speeding behind me would not help anyone. The last time this happened I became god father to the new baby girl and everybody arrived safely. My attention had been attracted by the distraught dad passing my PC at speeds over 160kmh. He pulled over, I realized the seriousness of the problem, called an ambulance to immediately attend, his pregnant high-risk wife in the PC and drove towards help. We met at roadside about 15 minutes later and she was transferred to them and the hospital.

One thing you left out - did you issue the driver a speeding ticket?

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Originally Posted by PornMaster

You sound like a fucking prick ass guy.

So your saying if you were the cop and pulled him over you would not let him drive away and let his baby die in the womb of the mother?

WOW

you know how traumatizing it is for a women to lose their baby?

If it was your wife and you knew you had to make it to the hospital or lose your baby would you do the same?

You sound like someone who can't read.

Zulu says that he ran into the exact same situation. He called an ambulance and brought the mother to the ambulance in his police cruiser. He also instructed the father to meet at the hospital while driving at the speed limit. This is the safest way of getting someone to the hospital in an emergency.

GLOW · 07-27-2011, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by PornMaster

You sound like a fucking prick ass guy.

So your saying if you were the cop and pulled him over you would not let him drive away and let his baby die in the womb of the mother?

WOW

you know how traumatizing it is for a women to lose their baby?

If it was your wife and you knew you had to make it to the hospital or lose your baby would you do the same?

i suggest you read his post again.

GabAlmighty · 07-27-2011, 10:23 AM

There was a situation in the states where an old guy was rippin tryin to get his wife to the hospital because she was gonna die (can't remember the circumstances surrounding that). Cop pulled them over and saw that the lady was in distress, gave them all a lecture in a typical cop way and off they went. The wife then died and the cop was fired from the force, that's what shoulda happened here.

Gumby · 07-27-2011, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by GabAlmighty

There was a situation in the states where an old guy was rippin tryin to get his wife to the hospital because she was gonna die (can't remember the circumstances surrounding that). Cop pulled them over and saw that the lady was in distress, gave them all a lecture in a typical cop way and off they went. The wife then died and the cop was fired from the force, that's what shoulda happened here.

I can understand your ill will towards the cop, but you also want the wife and/or baby to die?

Sandman · 07-27-2011, 10:46 AM

The main problem I believe everyone has with this situation is how the first cop handled it.

Zulu - Thankfully realized the severity of the situation and carried out the best decision possible in order to neutralize it and put a stop to the reckless driving of the father.

Whereas the first cop who stopped them failed to comprehend the severity of the situation and instead of neutralizing it, escalated it higher by delaying them for 15 minutes and providing them with a 1,000 dollar ticket. The first cop who pulled them over failed to solve the problem in an effective manner.

taylor192 · 07-27-2011, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mananetwork

It's like what do you do if you see a loved one getting hurt. Wait, I'll call the cops and wait 30 minutes because it's the law.

You won't wait 30 mins unless you live in bum fuck nowhere. Ambulance response times are measured, with most of the population within a 5-10 min response window.

Thus it might suck to wait 5-10 mins, yet you'll get better care on the 20 min ride to the hospital than sitting shotgun in a car.

Skyline350gt · 07-27-2011, 10:59 AM

Everyone keeps saying calling 911....To be fair the article says they were on their way home from shopping so most likely they were already on the road. The better judgement and more logical judgement would be to drive there. If that was the circumstances I would as well too.

taylor192 · 07-27-2011, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Skyline350gt

Everyone keeps saying calling 911....To be fair the article says they were on their way home from shopping so most likely they were already on the road. The better judgement and more logical judgement would be to drive there. If that was the circumstances I would as well too.

The logical judgement is to call 911, especially if she had complications before. Paramedics would be far better equipped to deal with any situation than her sitting shotgun with no care.

If they were out shopping even more reason to call an ambulance, as there's probably one parked close by. Dispatch makes sure they are spread out throughout the city, and often they just sit in parking lots waiting.

Skyline350gt · 07-27-2011, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by taylor192

The logical judgement is to call 911, especially if she had complications before. Paramedics would be far better equipped to deal with any situation than her sitting shotgun with no care.

If they were out shopping even more reason to call an ambulance, as there's probably one parked close by. Dispatch makes sure they are spread out throughout the city, and often they just sit in parking lots waiting.

I could be biased here, but have you ever called 911? There was an emergency for someone in my family and you know what? It took fucking forty minutes. I would have been there in 15 if I was just cruising or 8 minutes if I was ripping it. Needless to say I have confidence in myself more than an ambulance, with speeding or not.

gars · 07-27-2011, 11:12 AM

I personally would've driven towards the hospital after calling for an Ambulance. You can meet the ambulance on the way and then continued towards the hospital.

shenmecar · 07-27-2011, 11:21 AM

The first cop was a douche. He should've done what zulu did. Instead of contacting another cop down the road to pull over the mentally stressed out father. What a dick thing to do.

Im not on the father's side though. He could've done things more rationally too. Although in the very same situation. I may do the same.......

MR_BIGGS · 07-27-2011, 11:55 AM

First police officer should have called an ambulance if the story is how the media is reporting it.

With that being said, would I do the same thing the husband did in the situation? I probably would, but that definately doesn't make it right. Travelling at 105 MPH not KM is not only putting the people in the car in danger, it is putting everyone on the road in danger. You never see an ambulance travelling that fast. When you have to make a snap judgement call, often your decision is clouded.

Jgresch · 07-27-2011, 12:01 PM

Why was the mother not in the hospital to begin with? People who are aware they will have brith complications are usually put in the hospital 2-3 days before they are due anyways so their is no chance of something going wrong....

Manic! · 07-27-2011, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Impulse_x

^ Not sure about this one. But according to the Doctor, speeding was necessary to save the wife and the baby.

How could it be necessary if he was stopped twice for a total of 30 minutes and the baby was still OK.

taylor192 · 07-27-2011, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Skyline350gt

I could be biased here, but have you ever called 911? There was an emergency for someone in my family and you know what? It took fucking forty minutes. I would have been there in 15 if I was just cruising or 8 minutes if I was ripping it. Needless to say I have confidence in myself more than an ambulance, with speeding or not.

That sucks dude, yet trust me that is not the norm. Ambulance response times are measured, and that measurement is taken very seriously. Dispatchers are in charge of keeping ambulances stashed throughout the city to maintain these measurements.

noventa · 07-27-2011, 02:34 PM

bullshit. and the title is misleading. save baby my ass. The baby would have been fine if it fell out in the passenger seat. also, he should have planned ahead for something like this. they should charge him for endangering the life of his unborn child for driving at that speed. If he truly felt that his family lives were in danger, he would not have stopped the first time. This guy is full of shit.

Nlkko · 07-27-2011, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PornMaster

You sound like a fucking prick ass guy.

So your saying if you were the cop and pulled him over you would not let him drive away and let his baby die in the womb of the mother?

WOW

you know how traumatizing it is for a women to lose their baby?

If it was your wife and you knew you had to make it to the hospital or lose your baby would you do the same?

And you sound like a retard.

WOW

What if the guy crashed and killed a lot more people?

You know how traumatizing for a whole family when some fuck decided not to call the emergency service when there's an emergency and killed their family member?

If it was your family member would you stand there and applaud the guy's effort for being a total retard. And if the accident happened, you know whose asses would be on the grill? The police.

I'm sick of this media spin BS. Is this the new trend that when you break the law and you want sympathy you go to the media? Make the guy pay the fucking ticket, suspend his license and give the same disciplinary action to the idiot of a cop called the first officer.