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^Define the right thing. Speeding in distress in a regular vehicle or have the paramedic who have better knowledge to take care of your spouse while somebody else is legally speeding with sirens on.
He's lucky to get off unscathed doesn't make it the right thing to do. What if somebody else wasn't so lucky? Pay the fucking ticket and be thankful that luck was on his side that day instead of going to the media and be a whiny bitch about it.
Rural Manitoba, even around Winnipeg, the roads are wide and flat with tons of vis. 160km/h out there isn't overly dangerous, just because you're used to cruising around at 80 or 90 in BC doesn't make this guy wreckless. He's driving a newish Honda Civic with modern tires, brakes, airbags, etc. A vehicle more than capable of doing that speed safely.
Bottom line: cops in this situation are dicks with no social awareness. They should have done exactly what ZT suggested: taken the woman in their vehicle whilst notifying an ambulance or the hospital of the incoming emergency. A $1000 speeding ticket and suspended license for what this guy did just goes to show how out of touch with reality many officers are. Setting a trap for them with their emergency further down the road is disgusting. The judge should be ashamed of himself for allowing that to stand, period.
Had I been in the situation of the man/father, I'd have done the same thing and most people would. Had the situation been worse like for example she was bleeding down there, or if I was transporting someone who had somehow severed an artery etc, I wouldn't even stop for an officer I'd just carry on until I reached the hospital. While calling ahead and trying to get an ambulance to meet me somewhere of course. Even if I was suspended from driving ever again it would be worth it if a life was saved.
but the point is, what if he has crash.. not only would he not save the wife and baby, but his life and the other child will be harmed too.. the doctor said that they didnt need to speed to get to the hospital, so its assumed that the condition wasnt as severe as it would have seemed
but suspending his license for 5 months plus fine.. harsh..
Not going to read all 3 pages of this but all I can say is this.... It's fucking MANITOBA. Flat as hell not much traffic on the highways. As for all of you saying "Why didn't he wait for an ambulance blah blah. It stated he was already driving. We don't know WHERE he lives, we don't don't know HOW FAR the ambulance OR hospital is away so saying "wait and call" when you KNOW you don't have a lot of time is you trying to be high and mighty.
I would have done the exact same thing, only I wouldn't have stopped for the cops the 2nd time. (I would have stopped the first in the hopes the officer would give an escort) I would have let them follow me all the way to the hospital and arrest me there for evasion as there is NO FUCKING WAY I would stop and put my wife and unborn child in jeopardy.
Rural Manitoba, even around Winnipeg, the roads are wide and flat with tons of vis. 160km/h out there isn't overly dangerous, just because you're used to cruising around at 80 or 90 in BC doesn't make this guy wreckless. He's driving a newish Honda Civic with modern tires, brakes, airbags, etc. A vehicle more than capable of doing that speed safely.
Bottom line: cops in this situation are dicks with no social awareness. They should have done exactly what ZT suggested: taken the woman in their vehicle whilst notifying an ambulance or the hospital of the incoming emergency. A $1000 speeding ticket and suspended license for what this guy did just goes to show how out of touch with reality many officers are. Setting a trap for them with their emergency further down the road is disgusting. The judge should be ashamed of himself for allowing that to stand, period.
Had I been in the situation of the man/father, I'd have done the same thing and most people would. Had the situation been worse like for example she was bleeding down there, or if I was transporting someone who had somehow severed an artery etc, I wouldn't even stop for an officer I'd just carry on until I reached the hospital. While calling ahead and trying to get an ambulance to meet me somewhere of course. Even if I was suspended from driving ever again it would be worth it if a life was saved.
I don't understand how the first cop thought it was reasonable to ticket the man and then set up a trap for him down the road. If he suspected that he might continue speeding, then he should not have let him drive off at all and should have done as ZT did. It's ridiculous that this guy isn't getting penalized for his actions.
Yeah, the smarter thing would just be to call 911 and let them airlift you to the hospital if necessary. Honestly, driving at normal speeds without the 30 minute delay in pull overs would have probably gotten him there in the same time. I don't believe the situation could have been that bad, had it been, he would have just sped to the hospital and get arrested later.
I'm not aware of the lay of the land there but in an earlier version of this story it seemed like Mr Webber chose to drive away from other areas where he could have received medical help much sooner for his wife and chose instead to drive for long periods of time at 100 plus mph so he could go to his home doctor and local hospital. I keep referring back to the decision by an impartial tyrer of fact, to uphold the charges against him. This is Mr Webber's story, told by him, to avoid the penalties imposed on him by due process of law. We only know what he is telling us, not the full story.
For those of you who want to the real rest of the real story, try this link to the Gazette..
Now we know what really happened and why the judge didn't buy his story. Maybe some posters here might want to reconsider their positions, after reading the other side.
Seems like his driving 150 kms back towards Brandon, ignoring several closer hospitals, may have had some weight in the court's decision. The fact that this happened in March in Manitoba (ever driven there in winter? ) also reinforces the stupidity of his repeated decisions to speed.
According to a CTV report. Webber WAS offered an escort to hospital when first stopped..
Then David was pulled over for speeding by the RCMP, who told him to slow down and offered him a police escort to the nearest hospital, in nearby Portage-la-Prarie. He declined the offer and rushed off toward the city of Brandon, where the couple felt Genevieve would "be taken care of"
If Mr Webber is telling the whole truth and he described his wife as being in urgent need of treatment for a life-threatening medical emergency, I can't see any Police officer not immediately getting it...let alone two of them.
I can totally see two police officers, with limited or no experience dealing with problematic pregnancies, dismissing the possibility that Mrs. Webber and the child she was carrying were indeed in life threatening danger and assuming the Webber's were simply parents over reacting to labour. The doctors report confirms Mr. Webber's statements, who clearly had a better understanding of his wife's medical needs than the two officers.
Mr.Webber IS AT FAULT, but given the circumstances I think some consideration should be given. The officers are however, EQUALLY AT FAULT for not airing on the side of caution and aiding the Webber's in receiving the urgent medical attention they were informed she required.
Furthermore, in the identical situation I may have driven my wife myself and bypassed the ambulances. That conclusion is based on having had to call ambulances on two occasions; one where I was bleeding severely, I had 45 stitches and three re-constructive surgeries for the injury, and it took twice as long for the ambulance to arrive as it would have for me to drive at legal speeds; the second it took an hour for an ambulance to arrive for my Mom, who I told the dispatcher was in severe pain and badly injured, and we later discovered had broken her hip in 28 places as a result of a fall. If I told a dispatcher my wife was in labour and had life threatening complications, just like the two officers improperly dismissed Mr. Webber, the 911 dispatcher may have done the same.
I am the most avid supporter of Police even when in the vast minority taking that position, but they were completely wrong in this circumstance..
Last edited by MindBomber; 07-27-2011 at 08:52 PM.
Depends how far away they are and if one is free to come. They usually rolled in less than a minute when I required one for a medical emergency. They are only permitted to exceed the speed limit by a certain number of KMH.
Mindbomber you might want to read my post above. Lots more info. BTW as part of RCMP training, we deal with this exact situation. Call an ambulance, if no time, get the patient into the PC and head out towards it. Mr Webber refused the a mbulance and chose to drive 150 kms to his home hspital at 100 mph plus speeds in winter in rural Manitoba.
i was in this situation last year with my second...had my hazards on and it was midnight...i knew i was going to barely beat a yellow/red light but of all the time and places a cop car was there (on my way to RCH)....got stopped obviously but it was a lady cop that let us go....
since i lived it, i would say that this is a male ego thing who has no clue about the situation and chose to have blinders...
if the unfortunate happens and they lost the baby, theyll be a press conference saying that it was an unfortunate misunderstanding and blah blah...
Mindbomber you might want to read my post above. Lots more info. BTW as part of RCMP training, we deal with this exact situation. Call an ambulance, if no time, get the patient into the PC and head out towards it. Mr Webber refused the a mbulance and chose to drive 150 kms to his home hspital at 100 mph plus speeds in winter in rural Manitoba.
Thanks for adding that information Zulu, I had already begun my writing my post when you added those details. Although I do understand the basis behind Mr. Webber's decision and why he would want their regular doctor to treat his wife, that information dramatically changes the overall story.
when you're in a stressful situation you don't usually adhere to the rules.
that said, they still should have just called an amberlamp and paid the fee.
if it was the life of your unborn child or the law.. i would pick my child and wife.. why stop in the first place when the cop pulled you over.. I would have driven straight to the hospital.. watch me get failed.. i think your significant other and child are more important than 1000$ truthfully..
if it was the life of your unborn child or the law.. i would pick my child and wife.. why stop in the first place when the cop pulled you over.. I would have driven straight to the hospital.. watch me get failed.. i think your significant other and child are more important than 1000$ truthfully..
Forget significant other or family, I'd pick saving any person's life (whether it be a stranger or a loved one) over $1000 any day.
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