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I have to laugh at all you girls saying "That's why I carry a bat/club/stick in/on the trunk/rear seat...etc."
First of all, you would never use it.."Oh yes I would!!" No, you wouldn't. And even if you did pull it out, you would probably get your ass kicked with it twice as bad as you would have without it.
If you actually would use it effectively, you wouldn't need to blab about it in an online forum to pump yourself up.
I am sure it makes you feel better/safer, but that's about it.
If you can't defend yourself with your own fists, a weapon is just going to piss off someone who can even more.
Unless your going to stab or shoot someone (which for a road rage incident is just as stupid as the suspect in the OP) you are just putting yourself in more danger, and likely at risk of prosecution.
I don't remember courts in Canada ruling that hitting an unarmed person with a metal bar to be self defense regardless of their actions.
Or did you think your London Drugs purchased Club was going to fend off a 4000lb truck which was pinning you against your own car?
There are some people on the road who do deserve this kind of treatment; I however don't have the remotest idea if the victim in the OP is one of them, so I will reserve judgement.
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was going to say the same thing
most people think a stick in the hand automatically makes them a ninja they dont realize that its going to get them hurt even more since they dont know how to use it
I have to laugh at all you girls saying "That's why I carry a bat/club/stick in/on the trunk/rear seat...etc."
First of all, you would never use it.."Oh yes I would!!" No, you wouldn't. And even if you did pull it out, you would probably get your ass kicked with it twice as bad as you would have without it.
If you actually would use it effectively, you wouldn't need to blab about it in an online forum to pump yourself up.
I am sure it makes you feel better/safer, but that's about it.
If you can't defend yourself with your own fists, a weapon is just going to piss off someone who can even more.
Unless your going to stab or shoot someone (which for a road rage incident is just as stupid as the suspect in the OP) you are just putting yourself in more danger, and likely at risk of prosecution.
I don't remember courts in Canada ruling that hitting an unarmed person with a metal bar to be self defense regardless of their actions.
Or did you think your London Drugs purchased Club was going to fend off a 4000lb truck which was pinning you against your own car?
There are some people on the road who do deserve this kind of treatment; I however don't have the remotest idea if the victim in the OP is one of them, so I will reserve judgement.
+1, my ex's brother got into a fit of road rage with some big guy one time, apparently took out a pipe or something and went up to the guy, but the guy managed to take him down and pin him while authorities showed up, and had/has to go to court for assault charges LOL.
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Unlike the states we dont have signs all over the place stating that the left lane is for passing. Nor did they teach that in driving school. If more cops would give people tickets for hogging the left lane ..... well that wont happen until they make it a passing lane only like the states.
true, but another thing i hate is how people try to enforce the fast lane 'rule' in the city. it doesnt apply to the city! if im gonna turn left a few blocks up and theres other cars on the road, im sure as hell not gonna pull over for you and then get back into the left lane. even in the states, ive never seen one of those signs anywhere but on the highway.
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it's actually in the MVA which doesn't restrict this rule to only freeways
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150 (1) The driver of a vehicle must confine the course of the vehicle to the right hand half of the roadway if the roadway is of sufficient width and it is practicable to do so, except
(a) when overtaking and passing a vehicle proceeding in the same direction,
(b) when the right hand half of the roadway is closed to traffic while under construction or repair,
(c) on a highway designated and marked by signs for one way traffic,
(d) if necessary when operating snow removing equipment, or
(e) if
(i) the movement of a vehicle, or combination of vehicles, is permitted by and is done in conformity with the terms of the oversize permit issued under the Commercial Transport Act, and
(ii) the width of a vehicle, or combination of vehicles, or the width of a load on the vehicle makes the operation of the vehicle or combination of vehicles on the right hand half of the roadway unsafe.
(2) The driver of a vehicle proceeding at less than normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing must drive the vehicle in the right hand lane then available for traffic, or as closely as practicable to the right hand curb or edge of the roadway, except when overtaking and passing a vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or when preparing for a left hand turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.
While I personally always try to keep up with traffic if I'm in the left lane in the city, I don't expect others to do the same. Enforcing this rule in the city would be a nightmare for traffic, not to mention it's hard as hell to prove even if a cop decides to give a 'failure to keep right' ticket.
I have to laugh at all you girls saying "That's why I carry a bat/club/stick in/on the trunk/rear seat...etc."
First of all, you would never use it.."Oh yes I would!!" No, you wouldn't. And even if you did pull it out, you would probably get your ass kicked with it twice as bad as you would have without it.
If you actually would use it effectively, you wouldn't need to blab about it in an online forum to pump yourself up.
I am sure it makes you feel better/safer, but that's about it.
If you can't defend yourself with your own fists, a weapon is just going to piss off someone who can even more.
Unless your going to stab or shoot someone (which for a road rage incident is just as stupid as the suspect in the OP) you are just putting yourself in more danger, and likely at risk of prosecution.
I don't remember courts in Canada ruling that hitting an unarmed person with a metal bar to be self defense regardless of their actions.
Or did you think your London Drugs purchased Club was going to fend off a 4000lb truck which was pinning you against your own car?
There are some people on the road who do deserve this kind of treatment; I however don't have the remotest idea if the victim in the OP is one of them, so I will reserve judgement.
I agree with you to an extent, but like I said, I have the right to feel safe in my car.
Yes there are people who will simply take our there weapon if confronted, which is undoubtedly the wrong move.
But in some cases (myself for example), I do not have a purpose made weapon, simply a wheel lock that can be interpreted as a weapon.
I know you're thinking "well people like you will just bring it out and pretend to commit to using it".
But if you have a big guy repeatedly punching you through your car window and you're are buckled to your seat, there is no way you can fight back by punching. In situations like these AND ONLY would you need to force the guy back by using a weapon.
Same thing for guns. If you had a gun in your vehicle, you would not pull it out if you were confronted or yelled at, or if someone told you to "GET OUT OF THE CAR". Only if there was no way of fighting back or defending yourself with just your fists (hey you might be ganged up on), you would pull out your gun.
Yes you are right in saying many people would not ACTUALLY use their weapons, but in the rare situation where it's the ONLY way to defend yourself (dropped keys, cant get to ignition, etc), why wouldn't you?
That's why I keep the inception soundtrack in the car. with a surprise Nyan Cat thrown in. this is designed to confused the fuck out of everyone I confront
That's why under no circumstances should you step out of your car (unless it's on fire or something), unless instructed by an officer. If he didn't stepped out, the worst would be a few dings or scratches on his car.
I remembered a few years ago when there were ppl pretending to be undercovered cops who pulled ppl over to steal their cars. Then I remember reading a police statement where they say everyone has the right to stay within their cars or something or at least when a police officer pulls you over. You have to make sure they are real officers and that you don't have to pull your windows all the way down or something??
Yeah, use a weapon as a last resort. You would use your knife to fight off a bear, why not use a weapon against a psycho who could possibly be trying to end your life (in this case, pin you against 2 cars).
But it's threads like these that just reinforce gtfo, don't think your gonna get out and pull a Steven segal. Posted via RS Mobile
But if you have a big guy repeatedly punching you through your car window and you're are buckled to your seat, there is no way you can fight back by punching. In situations like these AND ONLY would you need to force the guy back by using a weapon.
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Yeah, use a weapon as a last resort. You would use your knife to fight off a bear, why not use a weapon against a psycho who could possibly be trying to end your life (in this case, pin you against 2 cars).
You guys don't seem to understand what is being said; thankfully you don't seem to have been in a fuct up situation like this before. But I thought this stuff was common sense.
If you are being punched through the car window by an angry person, are you going to tell him to wait a minute while you undo your seat-belt, turn around and retrieve your club from the back seat, magically find some kind of angle with leverage to swing your club from inside the car, out through the small window opening, somehow missing his flailing limbs completely, only to connect to the side of his head and have him magically fall to the ground unconsciously while the nearby witness's record every event in detail to avoid your future prison sentence (community service here I guess but still a criminal record).
No; you are going to drop your hands to feel around for the weapon behind your seat (which for some reason can't be located when you really need it; guess all those practice pulls in the driveway didn't help) while your now undefended face gets rearranged even more so than before.
When he finally notices what you are doing because you have managed to get the club around to your lap area while barely conscious from all the blows. He completely loses it (you thought he had already? nope) and rips the bar out of your hands and proceeds to drag you out of the car by your neck, and now beat you to within inches of your life on the ground in front of your car.
The worst part? The metal bar with your prints all over it (and perhaps a matching key on your key chain) is lying next to the incident when the cops show up; and it becomes your word against his.
Good luck with that.
It almost sounds like I am speaking from experience, but I assure you although that story is 100% fiction, it's a hell of lot more probable than you going home with the girl like a comic book hero.
And to the person who said a golf club is a good weapon; you're an idiot. Those shafts will break over a forearm like a dime store chopstick.
^ It sounds like you're speaking from common sense.
Unless your car is boxed in traffic at a red light, there is absolutely no reason to think
trying to find a weapon for defense is faster/easier than to just simply step on the
gas pedal.
Hell... it might even be to your advantage if you time it right and his arms still through
your window as you drive off.
And even if you were boxed in, rolling up your windows manually, or electronically
would be a smarter idea. At least that would stop the punches from coming in.
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.....nothing like having some punk coming up to your window talking smack and trying to punch you; then you grabbing his shirt, pulling his upper torso into ur car; then pointing a unloaded pistol from the guncase on the passenger seat to his head...
landed a court date with no charge.....would i do it again to see the kid's reaction again?....totally.
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.....nothing like having some punk coming up to your window talking smack and trying to punch you; then you grabbing his shirt, pulling his upper torso into ur car; then pointing a unloaded pistol from the guncase on the passenger seat to his head...
landed a court date with no charge.....would i do it again to see the kid's reaction again?....totally.
I had a pissed off truck driver follow me for blocks. We ended up at a light and he was right behind me. I left space in front of me to pull right into an empty lane if he got out. He got out and I switched lanes and turned right at the light leaving him standing in the street. I was thinking at the time that plan A is to get away. I know that sounds chicken but the most he could have done was key or hit my car since my locks were on and my windows were up (unlike the fella in the news article). Plan B (if I was stuck) was to pull out my iPhone and video record whatever he does. That way I have video evidence if he does anything illegal. I'll fight if I have to but I think it usually works best to let angry drivers be.
I had a pissed off truck driver follow me for blocks. We ended up at a light and he was right behind me. I left space in front of me to pull right into an empty lane if he got out. He got out and I switched lanes and turned right at the light leaving him standing in the street.
That was pretty smart.
A few years ago one of my buddies who's a bit of an asshole prick (Drives a 5.0, go figure) decided he wouldn't be bothered to move over or slow down to let a guy merge onto the highway. The guy then countered by coming up on the fast lane, doing a brake check/swerve right in front of my buddy, literally inches away from a bad accident.
My buddy then followed this guy (Through a couple red lights) for half an hour ALL THE WAY HOME where the guy parked his car, got out, and stood beside it waiting for us.
Now there were three of us in the car, my buddy, his buddy and me. They're both ex-football players so think 6'2", and 6'4" and 265 and 285lbs.
This dude was about 5'8" and 170lbs soaking wet, and I think as soon as he saw us getting out the smell in the air turned funny. I've never heard someone so apologetic, the conversation went like this:
My buddy: "So can you please explain to me what you were thinking you were doing back on the highway?"
Guy: "Oh man I'm so sorry, I don't know, I don't know"
My buddy: "No really, there must have been a good reason to do what you did?"
Guy: "I don't know what I was thinking, I messed up, I really messed up"
And etc, etc...
Moral of the story: Don't play the "Who can is the bigger asshole" game on the road unless you're sure you can back it up. I wonder to this day if that guy ever pulled another stunt like that again.
A few years ago one of my buddies who's a bit of an asshole prick (Drives a 5.0, go figure) decided he wouldn't be bothered to move over or slow down to let a guy merge onto the highway. The guy then countered by coming up on the fast lane, doing a brake check/swerve right in front of my buddy, literally inches away from a bad accident.
My buddy then followed this guy (Through a couple red lights) for half an hour ALL THE WAY HOME where the guy parked his car, got out, and stood beside it waiting for us.
Now there were three of us in the car, my buddy, his buddy and me. They're both ex-football players so think 6'2", and 6'4" and 265 and 285lbs.
This dude was about 5'8" and 170lbs soaking wet, and I think as soon as he saw us getting out the smell in the air turned funny. I've never heard someone so apologetic, the conversation went like this:
My buddy: "So can you please explain to me what you were thinking you were doing back on the highway?"
Guy: "Oh man I'm so sorry, I don't know, I don't know"
My buddy: "No really, there must have been a good reason to do what you did?"
Guy: "I don't know what I was thinking, I messed up, I really messed up"
And etc, etc...
Moral of the story: Don't play the "Who can is the bigger asshole" game on the road unless you're sure you can back it up. I wonder to this day if that guy ever pulled another stunt like that again.
He does, and still will. Why? because you only did a Half Measure.
A few years ago one of my buddies who's a bit of an asshole prick (Drives a 5.0, go figure) decided he wouldn't be bothered to move over or slow down to let a guy merge onto the highway. The guy then countered by coming up on the fast lane, doing a brake check/swerve right in front of my buddy, literally inches away from a bad accident.
My buddy then followed this guy (Through a couple red lights) for half an hour ALL THE WAY HOME where the guy parked his car, got out, and stood beside it waiting for us.
Now there were three of us in the car, my buddy, his buddy and me. They're both ex-football players so think 6'2", and 6'4" and 265 and 285lbs.
This dude was about 5'8" and 170lbs soaking wet, and I think as soon as he saw us getting out the smell in the air turned funny. I've never heard someone so apologetic, the conversation went like this:
My buddy: "So can you please explain to me what you were thinking you were doing back on the highway?"
Guy: "Oh man I'm so sorry, I don't know, I don't know"
My buddy: "No really, there must have been a good reason to do what you did?"
Guy: "I don't know what I was thinking, I messed up, I really messed up"
And etc, etc...
Moral of the story: Don't play the "Who can is the bigger asshole" game on the road unless you're sure you can back it up. I wonder to this day if that guy ever pulled another stunt like that again.
Meh. He followed the guy and you didn't say anything?
I have a teenager in an e92 tailgated me because I wouldn't let him cut me off (the part from Pacific St West End merging to Burrard bridge, everyone was slowly inching up in line and he thought he could just come all the way up and cut the whole queue off). Later, I pulled over to drop off my gf to work, the guy pulled over too but stayed in the car. I just went on my way, didn't even give him a second look and that was that.
There's really no point wasting your time with low-life like those. Do they deserve some punches to knock some senses into them? Sure. Do they worth your time? No.
.....nothing like having some punk coming up to your window talking smack and trying to punch you; then you grabbing his shirt, pulling his upper torso into ur car; then pointing a unloaded pistol from the guncase on the passenger seat to his head...
landed a court date with no charge.....would i do it again to see the kid's reaction again?....totally.
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Clearly you had a good judge. Otherwise you would be in prison for up to 7 years. The only legal way is to use a short barrel pump action shotgun (But it has to be unloaded)
Meh. He followed the guy and you didn't say anything?
I was sitting in the back seat and was just as pissed off that we were almost wiped out at highway speed as my buddy was. This guy definately deserved a few words and instillment of a bit of fear.
I had a pissed off truck driver follow me for blocks. We ended up at a light and he was right behind me. I left space in front of me to pull right into an empty lane if he got out. He got out and I switched lanes and turned right at the light leaving him standing in the street. I was thinking at the time that plan A is to get away. I know that sounds chicken but the most he could have done was key or hit my car since my locks were on and my windows were up (unlike the fella in the news article). Plan B (if I was stuck) was to pull out my iPhone and video record whatever he does. That way I have video evidence if he does anything illegal. I'll fight if I have to but I think it usually works best to let angry drivers be.
THIS is the winning post.
And this is what everyone with any common sense should do.
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That was pretty smart.
A few years ago one of my buddies who's a bit of an asshole prick (Drives a 5.0, go figure) decided he wouldn't be bothered to move over or slow down to let a guy merge onto the highway. The guy then countered by coming up on the fast lane, doing a brake check/swerve right in front of my buddy, literally inches away from a bad accident.
My buddy then followed this guy (Through a couple red lights) for half an hour ALL THE WAY HOME where the guy parked his car, got out, and stood beside it waiting for us.
Now there were three of us in the car, my buddy, his buddy and me. They're both ex-football players so think 6'2", and 6'4" and 265 and 285lbs.
This dude was about 5'8" and 170lbs soaking wet, and I think as soon as he saw us getting out the smell in the air turned funny. I've never heard someone so apologetic, the conversation went like this:
My buddy: "So can you please explain to me what you were thinking you were doing back on the highway?"
Guy: "Oh man I'm so sorry, I don't know, I don't know"
My buddy: "No really, there must have been a good reason to do what you did?"
Guy: "I don't know what I was thinking, I messed up, I really messed up"
And etc, etc...
Moral of the story: Don't play the "Who can is the bigger asshole" game on the road unless you're sure you can back it up. I wonder to this day if that guy ever pulled another stunt like that again.
Cool "toughguy" Story, Bro.
But I find it funny when you admit that your friend is a bit of an asshole prick,
not letting drivers merge in, and then you make it sound like you guys were the "good guys" in the end.
Your friend and that other driver are both assholes that should just stay off the road.
Your moral of the story should simply be: Don't be a big asshole. Period.
You should be lucky he didn't end up calling a bunch of friends to his house waiting to jump you with his bigger ex-football friends.
Or maybe he had a gun on him. You don't know him. You don't know what he has. This scenario is just stupid meets stupid.
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Don't be a big asshole. Period.
You should be lucky he didn't end up calling a bunch of friends to his house waiting to jump you with his bigger ex-football friends.
Or maybe he had a gun on him. You don't know him. You don't know what he has. This scenario is just stupid meets stupid.
In actuality no threats were made to this guy. If he had "friends waiting for us" so be it, it was a risk.
I always get a kick at the "They could have had a gun, then you'd be sorry!".
This is Vancouver, not Detroit and despite the recent gun violence the average joe does not carry a loaded gun in their car here.
I don't blame you if you piss your pants and have to run off like a little girl on confrontation, we stood up for ourselves.
I always get a kick at the "They could have had a gun, then you'd be sorry!".
This is Vancouver, not Detroit and despite the recent gun violence the average joe does not carry a loaded gun in their car here.
I agree most the time it's true but about 12 years ago I had a guy pull a gun on me over a road rage incident in Vancouver. Thankfully he didn't use it but it changed my whole thought process on how to handle those situations going forward. You really do never know.
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In actuality no threats were made to this guy. If he had "friends waiting for us" so be it, it was a risk.
I always get a kick at the "They could have had a gun, then you'd be sorry!".
This is Vancouver, not Detroit and despite the recent gun violence the average joe does not carry a loaded gun in their car here.
I don't blame you if you piss your pants and have to run off like a little girl on confrontation, we stood up for ourselves.
wow, way to 'stand up for yourselves' with 3 big guys in the car.
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It sounds like you're speaking from common sense.
