Troy Davis executed
 

So this guy was accused of killing an officer ages ago

and he claimed he was innocent ever since

he was sentenced to death

and over the years witnesses who pinned it on him came out to say they were coerced to do so


http://www.news1130.com/news/world/a...davis-executed

The Former US President the article talked about is Jimmy Carter (who was also a Governor of Georgia) and the Current Pope and Amnesty International called for him not to be executed

Wiki about it all Troy Davis case - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Prosecutors argued that it was too late to present the recantations as evidence" .... I haven't yet come up with a conclusion but this case seems like its really been fucked with.

If we're talking about an innocent man's life, there should never be such a thing as too late.

Wow. Executed based on flawed eyewitness testimony. :fulloffuck:
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Sounds like dom in prison break.

Who the fuck cares. Troy "Rough as Hell" Davis was carrying around handguns with rubbed off serials, shooting people in the face for talking sh!t, and pistol whipping homeless guys for beer.

You live that kind of lifestyle, with those kind of people, you understand the risks. Is it possible he didn't pull the trigger that night? I guess so, but based on the evidence, it's not hard to be pretty damn convinced that he did.

At the end of the day, the world is rid of one less bad person, who contributed absolutely nothing positive to our society. I won't lose sleep.

I think you're missing the point as to why many people are outraged by the conclusion. The fact of the matter is, the system needs reform. Isn't the whole point of a trial is to prove beyond a reasonable doubt? How is it "too late" to recount evidence when a person's life is on the line?

You need to focus less on the individual and more on the case. The man did 22 years prior to being executed. He may have been a thug but 22 years without freedom, unless you're a psychopath, would change a lot of people. 7 out of 9 witnesses recanted their testimonies. There were no concrete physical evidence. What more do you need to re-assess the case?

What really angered me though was that he asked for a polygraph test and it was denied. They could have done it privately and whether they choose to disclose it or not is beside the point. They could have done it just for his peace of mind.

reminds me of the todd willingham case in the states that rick perry is getting heat over

Someone has to take the fall for killing the cop. Even if he did it or not. Sad.
This is why capital punishment is wrong. Every case cannot be 100% accurate. Oh well.

No actually, it’s all you outraged people who are missing the point. The fact of the matter is, he was a bad person. Call it fate, karma, destiny or whatever; if you stand back at look at the big picture, this guy got exactly what he deserved. He was convicted of using the same gun earlier for a shooting as well, unfortunately the weapon was never recovered.

Secondly; if you really want to know what this case is about, it’s about politics, nothing to do with Mr. Troy Davis at all. Why would the defense wait until days before the execution to bring forth the recanted statements? Because they were useless as a device for substantive argument, but held some value as a tool for delay. Also, let’s ask for a polygraph on the day of the scheduled execution in a state where the results are not even admissible in court. It did its job though; it has people like you up in arms.

Even if he were to pass a test which was inadmissible in court, on the morning of his scheduled execution, who is to say he hasn’t spent the last 20 years convincing himself of his own innocence.

Also, no physical evidence? How about bullet casings on the scene that matched the ones from a shooting earlier in the day by Davis? Or the pair of shorts found in Davis’ washing machine with the dead cops blood on them which couldn’t be admitted in court because they were taken without a warrant. Yes, there was a lack of saliva or semen on the victim, as he was shot, not raped. But, explaining the details doesn’t make the case sound nearly as interesting.

This case was fought by the lawyers in court, and the politicians in the street. Personally I think this case is exactly opposite of what you say. It is a demonstration that the justice system does work, and is not easily influenced by a bunch of people with loud voices and no information.

RIP Troy.

It's a good thing I kept reading past this garbage because I agree with everything after this paragraph.

You don't execute some one because you think they are a bad guy or for karma ect.

Any up untill a few years ago I thought capital punishment was ok eye for an eye. Then I had the worst nightmare ever it was so vivid I was locked up no one could help me and I was counting down the hours just wishing. The dream was so powerful that over night I changed my stance. I just hope I don't flip flop on the whole athiest thing on my death bed lol.

judge mathis speaks on the execution of troy davis.

he wasn't the one fighting a homeless guy for beer, Sylvester "Redd" Coles was; he wasn't carrying around rubbed off serial hand guns he was convicted of carrying a concealed weapon (a plea bargain due to a stupid young kid from the ghetto)

Troy Davis was also a Baseball Coach in the local Police League and signed into the US Marines.... as for his nickname "rah" I don't know what we can say about that? if anything at all? everyones got nicknames and are at times out of context etc etc his neighbours claim he was a "stand-up fellow" are we to dismiss that? but accept insinuations of a nickname?

for all we know 'rah' 'rough as hell' could be about him being a tough coach or a guy that likes to go bareback ;) etc etc



Both matters were part of the same case and trial (the shooting & the murder) how do you find him guilty of murder for using an invisible gun on 1 charge and not find him guilty for firing same invisible gun on the other charge which is part of the same case?Also the bullets casings couldn't be compared to confirm that they were fired from the same weapon.

the witnesses didn't simply recant their testimonies they claimed they were coerced to make their original statements, by the police!

That's a lie.


from the court files
http://www.gasd.uscourts.gov/pdf/409cv00130_92part2.pdf


do you really think people like Jimmy Carter; Amnesty International; Desmond Tutu; etc would be backing an obvious killer without the facts....

they've been bringing forth evidence and making appeals throughout the years and they're facing a group who wouldn't budge/listen (the board committees consisted of the same members throughout the years until the end when 4, a minority number, had retired and were replaced) so the only real hope was to postpone and hope to continue the cause and one day achieve clemency






edit1: Michael Cooper the guy that Davis was also convicted of shooting @ says that he doesn't know/think Davis was his shooter (from the wiki on the case)
edit2: Cooper was 1 of the witnesses who "recanted" he claims he never made the statements in his testimony and that @ the time he had no idea who shot him but believes that it wasn't troy davis

Also out of the 9 witnesses who said Troy Davis is the killer (7 of whom recanted).... 1 of them is Sylvester "Redd" Coles who maintains it was Davis... Sylvester Coles is the guy who was arguing with the homeless man for beer (which led to the Officer getting involved) he also admitted to authorities that he owns a .38 pistol but he had "lent" it to someone else who lost it
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...t-2359503.html

hard to say that race did not played a part in this...

Nothing to argue about anymore, the man's dead now, RIP.

America's fucked. Death sentence are fucked, war on Iraq and the east is fucked.

An American found guilty of murder will be death sentenced. What about the one who does the execution, he is a murderer himself.

The people involved in the parole board that makes the decisions he should be executed are murderers, where is the justice on these people?

WTF is justice in America?

It's a shame I read any of that garbage.

I never said he should be executed because he was bad; I just find it hard to feel sympathy for someone who was involved in the cold blooded murder of an innocent man. I called it karma; I don't think the way the chips fell were undeserved. That's my take as an outsider.

Go have a dream about being you, then see if you feel like punching yourself when u wake up.

We can sit here and moonlight as shitty wiki attorneys all night and end up nowhere. It's really a fruitless effort. I make my judgement based on the entirety of what I have read. Leave nitpicking to the guys in the suits.

If you want to continue however, have a read here...
Troy Davis: guilty as charged - PostPartisan - The Washington Post

All I know is that there was a 2 year old little girl, and an infant baby boy who never had the chance to meet their brave father. They never met the man who put his life on the line for a homeless drunkard that fateful night in August, of 1989.

The 27 year old naive former army ranger, saw someone in trouble, and went to help. He was given a gift that night by Troy and his buddies, unfortunately a bullet through the face, and another through the heart, isn't a gift most of us would like receive.

The children grew up without their father.

Even if Troy was 'only' an accessory to murder; he still doesn't get my sympathy.

I don't really agree with the death penalty to be honest. But don't take him off death row because he is innocent, take him off because killing another human is wrong. That's how I feel.

rofl what.....

you basically said ":fuckthatshit: i stand by my points even though they're wrong...." and then give me a link to an opinion piece which has factually incorrect information that he based his opinions on...

and then a sob story about 2 little kids who deserve justiceregardless of who is killed in the name of it....


:seriously:

Please don't be that naïve.
90% of the "causes" that public figures make a point to support and advocate publicly are carefully calculated and planned to achieve maximum overall popularity and to get into the good graces of those in their target population.
The pope is also vehemently against same-sex marriage, pre-marital sex, and evolution. So those things can't be good right? Millions of people respect the hugely influencial public figure that is the Pope.

And I'm not attacking your stance based on that single argument of yours. Just don't let a obvious bias you have based on the prevailing public belief sway your belief or even intensify your belief.
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my point exactly they're not going to back something that will blow up in their faces it was in regards to hurricanes remark of an "uninformed public" (i quoted it even..... here it is again)

Factually incorrect information? Please do tell.

Was the case not completely reviewed by a Bill Clinton appointed Federal Judge in 2009? Did he not find the "new" evidence of Troy's to be suspicious, unfounded, redundant, and unconvincing? If federal judges are in the business to send innocent men to death, I agree the system needs reforms.

Did Mr. Davis testify at that hearing? Did Mr. Davis' lawyers call the real shooter to testify? How about all of the witnesses with recanted statements? Why not? Or is the judge also not privy to the inside information you are?

It's funny, because you are willing to call a cited respected journalist (I guess they exist) who has been covering the supreme court for well over 10 years a liar. Yet, a wikipedia entry without even a hint of any source that his neighbors called him a 'stand up' guy is more than enough for you to put him back on the street. Interesting logic. Even so, many people who are willing and able to take someones life are considered to be stand up guys by the people around them.

Also, you bolded the fact he was a baseball coach in a police league as some suggestion to his characters credibility? Read about Russell Williams if you think we should base probability of guilt on a person's daily life.

The only thing that seems amiss here is the recanted statements. However, the credibility of these statements has been challenged since they were originally made.

Would I be surprised if some of the witnesses were encouraged to remember seeing Davis' face even if they only saw his clothes from behind? Nope. Unfortunately, the burden of proof for these types of cases in incredibly high, and how would you like to explain to the widow that the killer is going to walk away a free man? The police were under a lot of pressure to get as much supporting evidence as possible in a case where they knew exactly what had happened, but had little physical evidence to support it.

I imagine it was pretty obvious to everyone in that original courtroom that Mr. Davis did the shooting. They don't just hand out death sentences to people who 'probably did it.' That is enough for me.

Regarding the sob story; you seem to like grasping onto the emotional story lines, so I provided you with another one.

What? Don't take an man off death-row because he's innocent? Take him off because it's wrong to kill!?

"DO NOT TAKE A MAN OF DEATH ROW BECAUSE HE IS INNOCENT" <---- REALLY!?

This story isn't about the fundamentals of the death penalty! It's about the fundamentals of the LAW and our legal system in place. It's 110% about innocence and guilt.

I'd say your emotions are also helping you judge and form an opinion. As ruthless and insensitive as it may sound, the fact that this officer was "young" or had "children growing up" really should not have any influence on whether the man is GUILTY or INNOCENT. It shouldn't have any influence on whether the man deserves a fair trial or a coerced trial. This is exactly what motivated the officers to coerce witnesses into providing testimony that favored a guilty verdict...the emotions that officers felt losing one of their own. That's hardly a matter of informed judgement as you say you are practicing, but rather emotionally charged insight.

This is the appropriate time for an epic comprehension fail emoticon.

The anti-capital punishment lobbyists are using this platform to argue the death penalty is wrong. That's an entirely different argument, but the lines keep getting marred.

I am saying, if you don't think he should be put to death, take him off death row. But don't try to say he is innocent, and use that as a justification not to sentence him to death, when he clearly is not.

The death penalty/punishment and innocence/guilt of this criminal are two entirely different subjects. While I may not agree with the death penalty, I do agree with his peers (who heard every last bit of the evidence) assertion that he is guilty beyond any reasonable doubt. In Georgia, that equals death, whether or not the sentence is appropriate is another matter.

If this man was spared the death penalty, he would still be spending the rest of his life behind bars, and we wouldn't even be talking about this case. Who exactly is saying he should have been released from prison? I haven't heard that yet. So clearly this is not an argument about the man's innocence, but instead the level of certainty required to apply the death penalty.

I think a few of you seem to be overlooking this critical point.

Because we all live in a perfect world, where emotions are completely detached from actions, and everyone is 100% objective. Everything matters, if you are too naive to realize it, live a little. Every single thing in every single case in the history of the court system should be thrown out, because every person in this world holds subjective views, bias, and personal opinions and emotions, right? No, we just try to minimize this to a reasonable level.

Every year an inconceivable number of guilty rapists, murderers, and criminals walk away free because we are doing such a good job of limiting these bias, and creating a "fair" environment to be tried in. Lawyers will do whatever it takes to find lupuls.

By the way, I didn't learn about the victim until after I had already formed my judgement and made my posts about my thoughts. It was irrelevant in my decision making. Some people were looking at it, like Mr. Davis' life was the only one affected from this ordeal, so I was making a point which obviously got lost.

Yeah, I think the mostly black jury would agree wholeheartedly, they 'did played' a big part.

wtf is wrong with you. I said I agree with almost everything you posted. My only argument was that you inferred (1st paragraph) he choose a negative path that either way would have led him to this ultimate conclusion regardless if he was guilty of this crime or not. I apologize if I missed your point there.

Don't take him off death row because he is innocent?

Really, For real are you serious? Naa you gotta be pulling my leg.....

I loved your little zinger there a well written retort very indicative of your maturity level.

It's very sad that young children lost a parent, but they don't factor into Troy Davis's guilt or innocence. If Troy Davis is indeed innocent of the crime, he may have had children as well, but since he spent the last twenty two years fighting for his life he didn't have the opportunity. The two facts are equally relevant.

Emotions have no place in a court room, an intelligent person can look past them and examine only the facts,

but not everyone in this world is intelligent, case in point.

Blood on Davis's shorts proves he was present, not that he committed murder. The line between being an accessory and the one who pulls the trigger cannot be ignored, not only because it makes a difference between life and death for Davis, but because it means the potential murder is walking free.