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Great68 · 09-26-2011, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by originalhypa

I have a couple of buddies who smoke daily, and while they work hard and pay their taxes, they sure don't put in any "extra" effort. One buddy is a skilled fabricator and could make good money on the side, but he'd rather get high.

So be it.

Nothing wrong with being content with the living you have. I wouldn't attribute the drug as the sole reason for lack of desire to do "extra work".
I used to do side work, and I started to hate it as my spare time started to become more valuable to me.
My cousin, an after work, every day smoker is the opposite. He'll spark one up and then go work in his shop for hours on various projects and side jobs. His latest project is a '64 Comet Wagon he's restoring for his wife.

terkan · 09-26-2011, 04:28 PM

You guys have to realize it's almost impossible to ban cigarette smoking and alcohol use because of its cultural use. If any government was to try ban it, they would alienate a majority of their voters otherwise the health authorities wouldve already tried to ban them.
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Happy · 09-26-2011, 05:44 PM

was reading this at doctors office few days ago
read the first sentence

Phozy · 09-26-2011, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by terkan

You guys have to realize it's almost impossible to ban cigarette smoking and alcohol use because of its cultural use. If any government was to try ban it, they would alienate a majority of their voters otherwise the health authorities wouldve already tried to ban them.
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OR there's just too much money involved, how many cig companies will go out of business, just like putting an electric car in the industry, how many oil companies will go out of business.

punkwax · 09-26-2011, 07:43 PM

I know some daily smokers who would inspire the shit out of most people on RS with their careers and work ethic.

Taxing it would get us out of debt in a hurry. I'm sure if people could go back in time they'd choose to legalize and tax it over alcohol... As someone pointed out, there have been absolutely 0 deaths that have been blamed on smoking marijuana. Countless deaths attributed to alcohol. My dad told me years ago, I'd rather you smoke and drive than drink and drive. I'm sure I'll tell my kids the very same thing.

I remember my parents telling me their folks had to grow a certain amount of marijuana to use the hemp during wartime... Govt mandated. And they expect people to just give up the sweet mary jane?

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Gridlock · 09-26-2011, 07:57 PM

Oh weed culture, how I loathe thee.

I have no issue with weed. By itself. I also have no issue with people that occasionally smoke it.

I have an issue with, and I believe it was put well above, the "hit dat shit homie" culture. The "weed 4 life" crowd.

I don't like the fact that there is a significant criminal element to its growth,cultivation and distribution any more than I like the amount of dollars spent to control its growth, cultivation and distribution.

However, I counter that with the possible explosion in the weed culture. It's legal now, does that mean I have no recourse when my neighbor is smoking it and my living room smells like that 70's show?

91LS-VTak · 09-26-2011, 08:23 PM

^^^

Yeah, close your damn window. Just as if he was smoking a cigarette, or had his barbeque going and all the smoke was blowing at your house.

And of course there's a criminal element to it...it's illegal to grow, possess, and otherwise associate yourself with weed. Just like with Prohibition...

Phozy · 09-26-2011, 08:36 PM

annd the people who fail me have nothing to say .

jeedee · 09-26-2011, 08:59 PM

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annd the people who fail me have nothing to say .

Welcome to Revscene. Where people fail you for not agreeing with your opinion and don't reply to it.

Death2Theft · 09-27-2011, 05:56 AM

If they legalized anything in the states the politicians would lose alot of dirty money.

Death2Theft · 09-27-2011, 05:59 AM

I thought u were legally allowed to grow 5 plants for personal use?

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Originally Posted by 91LS-VTak

^^^

Yeah, close your damn window. Just as if he was smoking a cigarette, or had his barbeque going and all the smoke was blowing at your house.

And of course there's a criminal element to it...it's illegal to grow, possess, and otherwise associate yourself with weed. Just like with Prohibition...

Anjew · 09-27-2011, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Gridlock

Oh weed culture, how I loathe thee.

I have no issue with weed. By itself. I also have no issue with people that occasionally smoke it.

I have an issue with, and I believe it was put well above, the "hit dat shit homie" culture. The "weed 4 life" crowd.

I don't like the fact that there is a significant criminal element to its growth,cultivation and distribution any more than I like the amount of dollars spent to control its growth, cultivation and distribution.

However, I counter that with the possible explosion in the weed culture. It's legal now, does that mean I have no recourse when my neighbor is smoking it and my living room smells like that 70's show?

there are idiots and there are people that smoke weed also. dont mix those two.

$_$ · 09-27-2011, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Death2Theft

I thought u were legally allowed to grow 5 plants for personal use?

Lol .... if you were everyone would be growing it ?

Gridlock · 09-27-2011, 10:51 AM

Why did I get failed for my post above? Come on, chime in guys.

This is a perfect example. I've stated before on this forum that I don't like weed culture. That is my opinion. I've been failed before for it too.

I don't want to walk down the halls of my building smelling weed on my way to my door, just the same as I don't want to smell cigarette smoke, or talk to someone drunk out of their mind with alcohol on their breath. That is also my opinion. I runs me a classy kinda joint-no pun

And people fail me for my opinion...which is fine. But I read that as I should just suck it up. It's BC, its weed, get used to it. I'm the stick in the mud.

Yeah, I get that there are nice, normal people that smoke pot. Awesome. You know whats great about these people? I never know. These people don't have the pot leaf flags hanging in their living room, or the t-shirts or the red puffy eyes.

Everyone has to admit that they are someone, know someone or has seen someone that has the approach that everyone else should put up with pot culture because its BC, which is apparently the standard answer, or its harmless or whatever.

I'm all for decriminalization of it, but I don't want the end result to be an explosion of it everywhere. I would want my concerns addressed.

originalhypa · 09-27-2011, 12:27 PM

I didn't fail you because your argument is valid. But what is the difference between someone wearing a "420" shirt, and the guy next to him in a "Budweiser" shirt? Is the guy in the Bud shirt a higher quality individual because his poison is legal?

Your complaints of crime are valid, but to complain about someone's desire to be a part of something is asinine. There is a pot subculture, for the same reasons as there is a chinatown. It's a comfortable relationship where you're not going to be judged or ostracized because you're with your own kind.

I'm not interested in the lifestyle, and wouldn't be caught dead in a "420" shirt. Hell, I won't partake in public, nor would I share a joint with a stranger. That said, I wouldn't do that with booze or cigarettes either. Again, if you're going to judge, judge the person, not the poison. While we're on that topic, why the need to judge anyway? Do you derive self esteem by cutting down others? Or just bored?

g604 · 09-27-2011, 12:58 PM

Everybody should watch the Union great documentary

Weed will never be illegal in the US. My theory is jails are privately owned the more reasons to put people into the jail = more money for the jail owners and more money for the government. Apparently if your in jail you have to pay for being there so you can walk out of jail and be in debt working to be in jail that sucks

originalhypa · 09-27-2011, 01:19 PM

If Herr Harper has his way, private jails are coming to Canada along with minimum jail sentences. The one that really got me saying "Hmmmm" was the one year minimum for growing pot, and the 3 month minimum for child molestation. What the fuck?

Gridlock · 09-27-2011, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by originalhypa

I didn't fail you because your argument is valid. But what is the difference between someone wearing a "420" shirt, and the guy next to him in a "Budweiser" shirt? Is the guy in the Bud shirt a higher quality individual because his poison is legal?

Your complaints of crime are valid, but to complain about someone's desire to be a part of something is asinine. There is a pot subculture, for the same reasons as there is a chinatown. It's a comfortable relationship where you're not going to be judged or ostracized because you're with your own kind.

I'm not interested in the lifestyle, and wouldn't be caught dead in a "420" shirt. Hell, I won't partake in public, nor would I share a joint with a stranger. That said, I wouldn't do that with booze or cigarettes either. Again, if you're going to judge, judge the person, not the poison. While we're on that topic, why the need to judge anyway? Do you derive self esteem by cutting down others? Or just bored?

I, as well, appreciate your post. Up until the personal dig at the bottom. But I'm going to ignore that.

I have no issue with whatever subculture wants to form for people to be a part of. I'm not gay, but I think pride is important for those that are. I don't want to go to their parade, and I question the actions of some that do in terms of appropriateness of actions, but let them go.

Under the same logic, I get that there is a subculture of pot smokers that want legitimacy and feel inspired to hold their own pride on April 20th.

My issue enters on the fact that I hate the smell of it, and I hate the entitlement of a lot of people that use it. Very few have respect for those that don't enjoy the skunky smell wafting into their homes. I think there is a lack of people that are advocates for pot that bring a legitimacy to the cause. And that starts to paint a lot of people with the same brush, because no one holds up the picture of Steve jobs with a joint in hand saying, "look! legitimate user!"

There is a whole dealing with pot smoking tenants angle that I'm just not going to get into because I've got my own thread for that stuff

But that has just brought me a whole new level of frustration.

Maybe to turn public opinion, some of these fine, educated, holds a job types need to step up and come out of the pot closet.

Great68 · 09-27-2011, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Gridlock

My issue enters on the fact that I hate the smell of it, and I hate the entitlement of a lot of people that use it. Very few have respect for those that don't enjoy the skunky smell wafting into their homes.

It would be dealth with the same non-smoking regulations/bylaws that are currently out there.

You say you don't want the halls of your building smelling like tobacco either, so if you don't like that what are your options?

A) Move out, to a non-smoking building
B) Change the strata regs

How would marijuana be any different?

If we're talking a private freehold house, then you're SOL. Close your window. Again, no different than with tobacco.

Your argument right now seems to be "Well, I don't like it so nobody should be allowed to use it"

Sid Vicious · 09-27-2011, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Gridlock

I, as well, appreciate your post. Up until the personal dig at the bottom. But I'm going to ignore that.

I have no issue with whatever subculture wants to form for people to be a part of. I'm not gay, but I think pride is important for those that are. I don't want to go to their parade, and I question the actions of some that do in terms of appropriateness of actions, but let them go.

Under the same logic, I get that there is a subculture of pot smokers that want legitimacy and feel inspired to hold their own pride on April 20th.

My issue enters on the fact that I hate the smell of it, and I hate the entitlement of a lot of people that use it. Very few have respect for those that don't enjoy the skunky smell wafting into their homes. I think there is a lack of people that are advocates for pot that bring a legitimacy to the cause. And that starts to paint a lot of people with the same brush, because no one holds up the picture of Steve jobs with a joint in hand saying, "look! legitimate user!"

There is a whole dealing with pot smoking tenants angle that I'm just not going to get into because I've got my own thread for that stuff

But that has just brought me a whole new level of frustration.

Maybe to turn public opinion, some of these fine, educated, holds a job types need to step up and come out of the pot closet.

i dont like the way some ethnic cooking make houses smell a certain way...i don't bitch about it.

it doesn't matter how much well conducted research is presented to the public on the moronic nature of drug prohibition - most americans and canadians will always oppose legalization simply because they are set in their ways.

tl;dr fuck baby boomers

K-Dub · 09-27-2011, 05:11 PM

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Gridlock · 09-27-2011, 06:48 PM

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tl;dr fuck baby boomers

I'm 32.

Great68 · 09-27-2011, 07:35 PM

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tl;dr fuck baby boomers

4 out of 5 uncles and 2 aunts on my mom's side have smoked pot since they were 18 (and still do), they're all baby boomers.

My mom doesn't, so I used to be pretty anti-drug when I was younger, until around 16 when I figured out what all my aunts and uncles were doing when they'd sneak around the corner at family gatherings. After I realized that none of them fucked up their lives by smoking pot, I figured it wasn't as bad as the government and all those anti-drug campaigns say it is.

The majority of the "unseen" marijuana smokers are baby boomers.

Vansterdam · 09-27-2011, 07:43 PM

michael phelps looks baked as fuck on that magazine cover

Sid Vicious · 09-27-2011, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Great68

4 out of 5 uncles and 2 aunts on my mom's side have smoked pot since they were 18 (and still do), they're all baby boomers.

My mom doesn't, so I used to be pretty anti-drug when I was younger, until around 16 when I figured out what all my aunts and uncles were doing when they'd sneak around the corner at family gatherings. After I realized that none of them fucked up their lives by smoking pot, I figured it wasn't as bad as the government and all those anti-drug campaigns say it is.

The majority of the "unseen" marijuana smokers are baby boomers.

well in general the majority of people who hold legislative power are baby boomers

and anyways i didnt mean you gridlock