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08-28-2013, 02:53 AM
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Yeah I wouldn't recommend the 830. What else is available in your price range?
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08-28-2013, 02:57 AM
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I was looking to spend ~$100 since it would only be used for my OS.
Suggestions?
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08-28-2013, 03:09 AM
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| Kingston SSDNow V300 120GB 2.5in SATA3 LSI SandForce Solid State Disk Flash Drive SSD
Only other drive is the normal 840, which has the same problem as the 830 apparently. The only other site that tests consumer drives like I do, AFAIK, are hardocp and anand, and anand doesn't test for steady state curve. Hardocp tests fresh and steady separately, which shows that the 840 sucks (at this low capacity) when used:  
Disregard the V300 100% random result they throw in - it doesn't represent real world data in any way. I do my tests at 46% which is about the same as what you get with real data you use every day.
V300 is my recommended budget drive, but sometimes you can get a Sandforce based MLC drive (instead of toggle) for the same price if you catch a sale.
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08-28-2013, 03:27 AM
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08-28-2013, 03:29 AM
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08-28-2013, 06:09 AM
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Anyone tried the ADATA SSD/Ram kits?
I saw NCIX doing lots of reviews of this brand
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08-28-2013, 06:27 AM
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I reviewed an ADATA Sandforce asynchronous MLC drive, and it was just like any other Sandforce asynchronous MLC drive (including the crash bug before the big firmware update)
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08-28-2013, 10:37 AM
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So if I find a 128 Samsung 830 for $70 used, I should..... walk...?
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08-28-2013, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by CRS  So if I find a 128 Samsung 830 for $70 used, I should..... walk...? | Walk. There are better deals out there.
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08-28-2013, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Traum Walk. There are better deals out there. | 
Please provide examples!
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08-28-2013, 11:23 AM
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Please provide examples! | Personally, I would aim for a 240GB SATA3 drive. It doesn't have to be the latest and greatest SSD on the market today, but it shouldn't be older stuff like the Samsung 830 is. They can be had in the $150 - $170 range.
I would say the 240GB mark is where the price-performance ratio sweet spot is at right now. 240GB drives are almost always faster than their 120GB counterparts, and their per GB costs are similar to the 120GB drives. Yes, it'll end up costing you <$200 if you buy new, versus a sub-$100 cost if you look for something in the used market. But you'll get more space for a few more games and programs, and you'll get a faster drive as well. I'd say the extra $100 is worthwhile and money well spent.
You just have to keep an eye out for deals through the usual channels (NCIX, ME, etc.)
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08-28-2013, 12:23 PM
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Skinnypupp, what's the problem with the Samsung 840?
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08-28-2013, 01:09 PM
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Regular Samsung 840 SSD is quite weak/would not recommend.
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08-28-2013, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Traum Personally, I would aim for a 240GB SATA3 drive. It doesn't have to be the latest and greatest SSD on the market today, but it shouldn't be older stuff like the Samsung 830 is. They can be had in the $150 - $170 range.
I would say the 240GB mark is where the price-performance ratio sweet spot is at right now. 240GB drives are almost always faster than their 120GB counterparts, and their per GB costs are similar to the 120GB drives. Yes, it'll end up costing you <$200 if you buy new, versus a sub-$100 cost if you look for something in the used market. But you'll get more space for a few more games and programs, and you'll get a faster drive as well. I'd say the extra $100 is worthwhile and money well spent.
You just have to keep an eye out for deals through the usual channels (NCIX, ME, etc.) | I was only looking to load an OS onto the SSD and have my 1tb 3.5 hold the rest of stuff.
Why would you need to load games on your SSD?
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08-28-2013, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by CRS I was only looking to load an OS onto the SSD and have my 1tb 3.5 hold the rest of stuff.
Why would you need to load games on your SSD? | Faster load times? Smoother transitions? The usual reasons why SSD is superior to traditional HDD.
I wouldn't recommend storing data on SDD just yet, but OS and frequently used programs (including games) seem like they should be the prime candidates to keep on the SSD.
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08-28-2013, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by G Skinnypupp, what's the problem with the Samsung 840? | The 120 gb version drops performance rapidly. The higher capacity ones seem fine, but I am wary if their durability. I'm waiting for tech report to finish their endurance testing
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08-28-2013, 07:30 PM
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So insights please...
XFX 6950 Double Dissipation 2GBs for $120 or Galaxy GTX 660 GC 2GBs for $150? | |
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08-28-2013, 07:57 PM
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08-28-2013, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp The 120 gb version drops performance rapidly. The higher capacity ones seem fine, but I am wary if their durability. I'm waiting for tech report to finish their endurance testing | For typical desktop usage, I would not be concerned at all about the durability of consumer grade SSD, even if they are TLC-based.
I know it's a new and entirely different drive, but here is a section on SSD endurance (of the new Samsung 840 EVO) analysis from Anand: AnandTech | Samsung SSD 840 EVO Review: 120GB, 250GB, 500GB, 750GB & 1TB Models Tested
As you can see, the 120GB version of that drive is estimated to last almost 8 years with a higher than average write load. Assuming that you are using older and less durable technologies, how many years of usage do you suppose you can get out of an SSD drive?
For me, it isn't a number I'd be concerned about. I don't think my usage is that high at all, so the SSD will be more than enough to last me the life of the PC it is installed on.
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08-28-2013, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Traum For typical desktop usage, I would not be concerned at all about the durability of consumer grade SSD, even if they are TLC-based.
I know it's a new and entirely different drive, but here is a section on SSD endurance (of the new Samsung 840 EVO) analysis from Anand: AnandTech | Samsung SSD 840 EVO Review: 120GB, 250GB, 500GB, 750GB & 1TB Models Tested
As you can see, the 120GB version of that drive is estimated to last almost 8 years with a higher than average write load. Assuming that you are using older and less durable technologies, how many years of usage do you suppose you can get out of an SSD drive?
For me, it isn't a number I'd be concerned about. I don't think my usage is that high at all, so the SSD will be more than enough to last me the life of the PC it is installed on. | I'm still waiting for real world tests. Anything over 5 years is good... Anything under that and yes, I would be very concerned.
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08-28-2013, 09:24 PM
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I wonder where my SSD stacks up...also SF-2281 controller but 24nm Toshiba Toggle NAND...probably look at the Kingston 3K as it's the closest in spec?
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08-28-2013, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by twitchyzero I wonder where my SSD stacks up...also SF-2281 controller but 24nm Toshiba Toggle NAND...probably look at the Kingston 3K as it's the closest in spec? | Is your drive an OCZ Max IOPS?
Performance wise, it will be around the same as most MLC based Sandforce drives (like the Kingston 3K) but will maintain its speed at lower capacities (ie the 120gb version will be like a 240gb MLC drive)
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08-28-2013, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by CRS So insights please...
XFX 6950 Double Dissipation 2GBs for $120 or Galaxy GTX 660 GC 2GBs for $150? | 660 only because it's based on a newer architecture
what about the 7850/7870? Quote:
Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp Is your drive an OCZ Max IOPS?
Performance wise, it will be around the same as most MLC based Sandforce drives (like the Kingston 3K) but will maintain its speed at lower capacities (ie the 120gb version will be like a 240gb MLC drive) | Sandisk Extreme 240GB
I know what its performance is like i meant I wonder what it's longevity is for OS/typical apps/games
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08-28-2013, 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by twitchyzero Sandisk Extreme 240GB
I know what its performance is like i meant I wonder what it's longevity is for OS/typical apps/games | It's about as fast as they get, and as durable as it gets
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08-29-2013, 10:35 PM
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desktop noob here.....here's my build list for pc gaming...crysis 2,crysis 3,Starcraft 2,Battle field 4,Call of Duty ghosts.....Getting so tired of crappy xbox 360 live with kids & paying 50 dollars yearly....plus i want to see what 2560X1440 glory looks like compared to 1080p
Corsair AX860I 860W power supply
Zalman Z11 Plus Mid Tower ATX Case
Intel Core i7 4770K 3.5GHZ LGA1150 Haswell 8MB Cache
ASUS Sabertooth Z87 ATX
G.SKILL Sniper F3-1866C9D-16GSR 16GB 2X8GB DDR3-1866
ASUS BW-14D1XT Internal 14X 3D Blu-Ray Writer
EVGA GeForce GTX 690 4GB
Razer Blackwidow 2013 Expert Mechanical Gaming Keyboard
Samsung SyncMaster LS27A850DS 27in 2560X1440
Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB ( OS/ GAMES)
Seagate Barracuda 4TB (data)
and looking at water cooling the cpu.....and about the monitor..you think it might be overkill for only one screen only at 2560X1440?
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