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09-30-2011, 02:49 PM
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#26 | | Rs has made me the man i am today!
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Originally Posted by Vette Dood  Piracy isn't even about piracy anymore, its about convenience and quality.
TV for example. You can have software that monitors, downloads, and alerts you to new TV shows running. This isn't even hidden, its right out in the open - ever heard of astraweb or giganews? Low cost (or free), pay services, operating in gray space. Never mind torrents and P2P software, access to content is rampant.. and you don't even have to share.
What drives me nuts is that companies like Telus, Shaw, and Rogers think they are leading edge in content delivery. The age of 'primetime tv' and 'scheduled programming' is dying and the dinosaurs are not keeping up.
I don't want to sit in front of my TV like a robot at a specific time and watch a show. I don't even want to PVR it and have to skip through commercials. I don't want to pay $10 a month for every package containing 1 HD channel and 5 crap SD channels I don't watch.
I want to watch TV seasons from 5 years ago, and catch up to where they are being aired now, with the touch a button.
I want to watch high quality, high bit rate 720p and 1080p TV, not this watered down low quality crap Shaw puts out.
I want to watch a show when its aired, not 3hrs later at 10pm just because we are on the West coast.
I want to watch my Formula 1 in an unbasterdized format, that doesn't have random commercial breaks in it at key moments in time (screw you TSN), and I want to watch it from a feed that actually cares about it (BBCone  )
Oh wait - I can, just not through the cable companies. Give me a product that is good value for my money, and is technologically competent, and maybe you can have my money.
As for movies, when I can start paying based on how good the movie was, and getting a refund when it was udder shit, that's when things will change. A shit bag $5m comedy with some wash up from SNL shouldn't cost the same as a $200m blockbuster movie that won a stack of awards. Also, I shouldn't have to drive to movie store to be able to get blu-ray quality content, streaming needs to step it up a notch, and the cable companies sure aren't. It certainly isn't due to bandwidth, because the 100mbps connection they sell me could more then support it. | CLOSE THREAD AFTER THIS POST
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09-30-2011, 03:23 PM
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I don't remember the last time i paid full price for a movie or any other type of digital content, besides my xbox :P.
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09-30-2011, 06:26 PM
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#28 | | Ready to be Man handled by RS!
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Originally Posted by dachinesedude serious question, so every song on your playlist and every movie on your hard drive, is bought?
if so, continue to have fun paying
if not, then STFU, hate people like you, being righteous and shit | 100% bought and paid for. Posted via RS Mobile | |
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09-30-2011, 06:32 PM
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#29 | | Ready to be Man handled by RS!
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Originally Posted by unit or porn? | I pay $30 for a month membership to any one of the top porn sites and then download HD quality video from a server that's always fast because its only available to paid members. Why waste hours of my time (which is far too valuable) searching around for free stuff of questionable quality when a small fee gets me exactly what I need? Posted via RS Mobile | |
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09-30-2011, 06:39 PM
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#30 | | I only answer to my username, my real name is Irrelevant!
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have you watched youtube videos of movie trailers or music videos or music tracks not uploaded by the artist their studio or a company like mtv/vevo/etc ?
cuz that's illegal too
hell using a vcr/dvdr/pvr/ripping ur own cds is/was considered illegal too
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09-30-2011, 07:22 PM
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#31 | | My bookmarks are Reddit and REVscene, in that order
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Vette Dood,
I'm reposting your comment on my g+ and facebook.
I'll keep it anon though. k?
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09-30-2011, 09:03 PM
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#32 | | SFICC-03*
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Originally Posted by dangonay I pay $30 for a month membership to any one of the top porn sites and then download HD quality video from a server that's always fast because its only available to paid members. Why waste hours of my time (which is far too valuable) searching around for free stuff of questionable quality when a small fee gets me exactly what I need? Posted via RS Mobile | so answer the question then, do you ever look at or listen to pirated material?
its just really hard to believe someone in this day and age pirates nothing from the internet.
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10-01-2011, 12:47 AM
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#33 | | RS controls my life!
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10-01-2011, 08:23 AM
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#34 | | Ready to be Man handled by RS!
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Originally Posted by unit so answer the question then, do you ever look at or listen to pirated material?
its just really hard to believe someone in this day and age pirates nothing from the internet. | Did I not just say everything I have was 100% bought and paid for?
Content these days is dirt cheap. Less than $15 per month for my sirius subscription and I can stream it at work or home to boot. If I hear a song I like it's $0.99 to $1.29 to buy a copy. I don't have time to search the internet to find a song when I can purchase it immediately for a dollar. And I know for sure the version I buy will have the album art and all the correct tags so its gets categorized properly in my library. All achieved by a single click. If an album is worth purchasing (easily determined by reading a few reviews from people that I trust or from friends) then I'll buy the CD.
I PVR everything I watch as I'm never around to view it live when it's actually on (with the exception of some sports). Skipping commercials? Oh yeah, that's a huge inconvenience to press FF for a couple seconds.
Blockbuster movies or ones worth keeping I'll buy the Blu-Ray. Other movies I'll just rent and watch once. Crappy movies? Can't say I've ever really watched that many as they have these things called "movie reviews" from sites like "Rotten Tomatoes" where you can find out if something is worth renting. People who use the excuse "I don't want to spend money on something and find out I don't like it" are full of shit. It's easy these days to find out if a movie is any good before you decide to rent it.
The same goes with software. "I want to try it before spending $$$ dollars and finding out I don't need it." Again, any software worth owning will have numerous reviews done by major websites. Further, pretty much all software is available as a 30 day trial.
You say it's hard to believe someone doesn't pirate from the internet. I say it's hard to believe there are so many thieves who make up countless lame excuses to justify stealing.
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10-01-2011, 10:08 AM
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#35 | | reads most threads with his pants around his ankles, especially in the Forced Induction forum.
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U made it sound so easy lol. What aobut moves, songs or TV shows thats not from NA (say anywhere in Asia) so you rather have to pay a perium for it, wait a year or two before it comes out here legally (Fairchild ><) or would you rather download it online ilgeally.
I am sorry but I am not going to wait for a year for it to come out.
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10-01-2011, 10:44 AM
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#36 | | RS has made me the bitter person i am today!
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Just singing the Happy Birthday song in public is copyright infringement as well.
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10-01-2011, 10:54 AM
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Good on Dangonay for being 100% legit.
There are many instances where people may accidentally stumble across copyrighted stuff and not realize it... Ie. youtube. Whether piracy actually affects the industry or not, it will never be able to prevent it, even to a small extent. People who do will do, people who don't, won't. I do hear a lot about how people WILL buy material from artists they support. The stuff that they DL for free would be things they would have never bought in the first place, therefore, not making much of a difference.
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10-01-2011, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Jah Dean Imo iTunes and other sites that provide content for a fairly responsible price have saved the music industry and I think we'll see record labels and movie studios provide music and movie content for cheap so people don't have to download illegal files but it's tough to price match free. | Agreed. I pay for my music and most games now that iTunes and Steam is around.
True that it's tough to price match free, but price in dollars is only one component. I buy my songs off iTunes because I know it's high quality, free of defects, and saves me the trouble of sourcing it elsewhere. I got sick of setting up and downloading off eMule and having to download five copies just to get one that didn't have weird clicks in it or choppy sound. For a dollar this is more than worth it for me.
I also started buying games off Steam because it's reasonably priced, and they provide a quality service where I can get at my games any time I like, without having to find the install CDs. I've even re-purchased several games I used to own but couldn't find anymore. Plus now I don't waste all my time finding a decent torrent, then dicking around with cracks and blocking hosts and all that shit. I like the fact that I'm supporting the developers too. I have family and friends who slave away at writing code to make these games for us. They deserve to eat too.
I think the key to stopping piracy is to make paying for content more desirable than stealing it.
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10-01-2011, 02:45 PM
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#39 | | Banned (ABWS)
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Originally Posted by dangonay ^ You're a fucking thief, plain and simple. Posted via RS Mobile | Hahaha, just last night I downloaded Transformers, horrible bosses and the green latern.
Honestly, good for you that you spent you hard earned money on movies, but please stop acting like the jews that come to my door telling me to convert, it ain't gonna happen. If I wanted to pay for shit, I would have by now.
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10-01-2011, 03:30 PM
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You can see the generation gap in this thread. Chances are if you're born after the late-80's, downloading has just been a way of life. That generation grew up with the internet and all of it's good and bad sides. Those of us that grew up with Nixon, Carter and Reagan in charge had a different way of life. Yes, piracy was still around (recording TV shows on VHS or trying to catch a good song on the radio and taping it onto cassette), but it wasn't as main stream as it is now. Today you go online and are bombarded with ways of "cheating" the system. P2P/Torrent sites are everywhere and very few people think anything of it.
There's an argument people use when defending sharing torrents... "I'm not pirating such-and-such software, I'm simply sharing it. What's the difference between this and lending the CD to a friend?" Well, lending a movie or cd to a friend to view has a far less impact than the hundreds or thousands of people who are currently connected to your uTorrent program, leeching the same data off of you. You can also argue that the many companies out there aren't helping the cause, what with selling bulk packs of dual layer DVD's, rewritable Bluray discs, and other forms of mass storage intended to store large amounts of data. After all, what's the point of Maxell selling a 100pk of CD-R's in major retail stores if you're not a musician wanting to hand out a bunch of demo tracks? That's obviously not the main market they're aiming at, though I'm sure if you ask them they'll sing a different story.
I'll admit right now that I've downloaded some shows and music. Certain TV shows simply just aren't available on Canadian channels, nor can you purchase NTSC-formatted discs. And there are plenty of bands out there that don't have their tracks available on iTunes or other similar sites.
But... on the other hand, I'll go out and buy the movies I like, I'll buy the songs I enjoy on iTunes, and I'll buy entire seasons of TV shows if I feel the need to catch up or review older episodes.
Certain people, however, are making downloading an even broader shade of grey. Various bands have legally put their entire new album up for free on different P2P. Because a broad statement is being made that any form of downloading media is illegal, does this now make downloading Radiohead's "In Rainbows" illegal as well?
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10-01-2011, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by doma Hahaha, just last night I downloaded Transformers, horrible bosses and the green latern.
Honestly, good for you that you spent you hard earned money on movies, but please stop acting like the jews that come to my door telling me to convert, it ain't gonna happen. If I wanted to pay for shit, I would have by now. | Seriously, when was the last time a Jewish person came to your front door and attempted to convert you?
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10-01-2011, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueG2 Good on Dangonay for being 100% legit.
There are many instances where people may accidentally stumble across copyrighted stuff and not realize it... Ie. youtube. Whether piracy actually affects the industry or not, it will never be able to prevent it, even to a small extent. People who do will do, people who don't, won't. I do hear a lot about how people WILL buy material from artists they support. The stuff that they DL for free would be things they would have never bought in the first place, therefore, not making much of a difference. | The problem is that lots of people still will download stuff for free, even if it belongs to their favourite band or happens to be the movie they enjoyed most all year. It's one thing to say that people who download would never have bought it in the first place, partially because a portion of it is true... but there still is a rise in monetary loss from those who otherwise would have bought it.
Which brings me to something else: TV Shows. Television series live and die based on ratings. The greatest show ever could be released, but if the majority of viewers simply decide to download the episodes instead of watching it live (or even PVR'ing it), you can guarantee the network will pull said series after seeing their ratings hit only half a million viewers every week.
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10-01-2011, 04:46 PM
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#43 | | I WANT MY 10 YEARS BACK FROM RS.net!
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Originally Posted by Vette Dood Piracy isn't even about piracy anymore, its about convenience and quality.
TV for example. You can have software that monitors, downloads, and alerts you to new TV shows running. This isn't even hidden, its right out in the open - ever heard of astraweb or giganews? Low cost (or free), pay services, operating in gray space. Never mind torrents and P2P software, access to content is rampant.. and you don't even have to share.
What drives me nuts is that companies like Telus, Shaw, and Rogers think they are leading edge in content delivery. The age of 'primetime tv' and 'scheduled programming' is dying and the dinosaurs are not keeping up.
I don't want to sit in front of my TV like a robot at a specific time and watch a show. I don't even want to PVR it and have to skip through commercials. I don't want to pay $10 a month for every package containing 1 HD channel and 5 crap SD channels I don't watch.
I want to watch TV seasons from 5 years ago, and catch up to where they are being aired now, with the touch a button.
I want to watch high quality, high bit rate 720p and 1080p TV, not this watered down low quality crap Shaw puts out.
I want to watch a show when its aired, not 3hrs later at 10pm just because we are on the West coast.
I want to watch my Formula 1 in an unbasterdized format, that doesn't have random commercial breaks in it at key moments in time (screw you TSN), and I want to watch it from a feed that actually cares about it (BBCone )
Oh wait - I can, just not through the cable companies. Give me a product that is good value for my money, and is technologically competent, and maybe you can have my money.
As for movies, when I can start paying based on how good the movie was, and getting a refund when it was udder shit, that's when things will change. A shit bag $5m comedy with some wash up from SNL shouldn't cost the same as a $200m blockbuster movie that won a stack of awards. Also, I shouldn't have to drive to movie store to be able to get blu-ray quality content, streaming needs to step it up a notch, and the cable companies sure aren't. It certainly isn't due to bandwidth, because the 100mbps connection they sell me could more then support it. | +1000
except for expecting east coast feed on your television shows
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10-01-2011, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Lomac The problem is that lots of people still will download stuff for free, even if it belongs to their favourite band or happens to be the movie they enjoyed most all year. It's one thing to say that people who download would never have bought it in the first place, partially because a portion of it is true... but there still is a rise in monetary loss from those who otherwise would have bought it.
Which brings me to something else: TV Shows. Television series live and die based on ratings. The greatest show ever could be released, but if the majority of viewers simply decide to download the episodes instead of watching it live (or even PVR'ing it), you can guarantee the network will pull said series after seeing their ratings hit only half a million viewers every week. | I agree. It's a very VERY tough law to impose, or better yet, enforce. But I have to say, in the end, if it is illegal and you do it, you risk the consequences.
That is a good point regarding TV shows. Do you know how ratings work? My Receiver is always on and is always left on the last channel that I was watching. Does this mean it shows up as me watching this channel for X amount of hours? I always wondered this, as regardless of whether your TV is on or not, if the receiver is on, it would show shaw or whoever the SP is that you are watching that channel, does it not? Quote:
Originally Posted by doma Hahaha, just last night I downloaded Transformers, horrible bosses and the green latern.
Honestly, good for you that you spent you hard earned money on movies, but please stop acting like the jews that come to my door telling me to convert, it ain't gonna happen. If I wanted to pay for shit, I would have by now. | lol, you're an idiot, it's Jehovah's witness not Jews.. So your argument just went to shit.
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10-01-2011, 05:14 PM
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#45 | | The Lone Wanderator
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Nielsen ratings are collected from a random group of people who agree to have boxes attached to their TVs. They use these to collect statistics and extrapolate based on expected viewership.
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10-01-2011, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Lomac Seriously, when was the last time a Jewish person came to your front door and attempted to convert you? | may not be Jewish per say but you get the idea. dangonay is just butt hurt because he has wasted tons of money on movies and music.  | |
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10-01-2011, 05:31 PM
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#47 | | I WANT MY 10 YEARS BACK FROM RS.net!
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aside from the FBI/MPAA rating screen all the annoying trailers/what not are skippable on blu-ray...well at least on the ps3
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10-01-2011, 05:47 PM
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#48 | | I only answer to my username, my real name is Irrelevant!
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^^ not on all discs
it depends on whoevers putting the disc together i guess
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10-01-2011, 06:25 PM
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wait people still torrent movies? that was like 2 years ago fad, now with sites like icefilms doesnt everyone just stream hd/dvd quality shows/movies?
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10-01-2011, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by classified wait people still torrent movies? that was like 2 years ago fad, now with sites like icefilms doesnt everyone just stream hd/dvd quality shows/movies? | different strokes for different folks, I like to download movies but stream shows.
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