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you would've stood there and gotten "a verbal warning"? i think anybody with half a testicle would've pushed him away if he was up in their face like that and spitting on them (including you)
i'd say he was just standing up for himself, and standing up for whats right. this world needs more people like him
and dumb cunts in the bg need to shut the fuck up
I don't know what I would have done, but hindsight is always 20/20. I'd prefer a verbal warning over possible brain damage any day, however.
He wasn't really standing up for himself though (unless he did get spat on in the beginning, I'm not clear of that). My guess is he's a security guard with police dreams that despises punks like this. I think he probably gets a little gratification in enforcing 'the right thing to do' that instead of standing up for himself, it was more of a bravado action.
You see it all the time in Vancouver. One guy got stomped for telling a group of guys to turn the stereo down. Another guy got stabbed at a bus stop for breaking up afight. In richmond, that kid who broke up a domestic dispute and got bottled. It just not worth to mess in other peoples business.
Theres right things to do, and then there is smart things you can do. This guy did the right thing, but not at a smart time.
I would have stepped in because it's the right thing to do, regardless of the risks to my personal safety. If I sat in my seat, appalled, but doing nothing, and one of the kicks to the neck the pussies landed happened to break the security guards neck and kill or paralyze him, I would spend the rest of my life wondering if stepping in would have prevented that. I'm not going to live my life afraid of what might happen, I'm going to live a life I can be proud of and never leave the opportunity to regret a decision because of hypothetical possibilities.
Where's the line.
If it was a woman being beaten, would you have stepped in?
If it was a parent hitting a child, would you say something?
If it was an older man that said something, would you have tried to prevent the beating?
What if it were a handicapped person, would you step in then?
or in every one of those circumstances, would you have been to afraid of what might happen to you, and ignore what is happening to the victim?
I'm not putting down your stance, it's very reasonable, I'm just curious.
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+1 expected nothing less from the shirtless guy to snap after that face shove, he understandably wouldn't let that happen (especially in front of his buddies)
There's no doubt that these guys were being disrespectful but is it worth your life to stand up to them? security guard was a fucking idiot
And obviously everyone who sees these kind of news stories are disgusted like "how could they let this happen?!?!" "OMGAH!111" but honestly if you were just riding the bus or skytrain by yourself and a fight broke out between a scrawny kid and 3 black guys that are way bigger than you (who may or may not be carrying weapons) would you really step in? I wouldn't laugh at the poor guy but I sure as hell would not risk my life defending this idiot. It's not about growing a pair, it's about using your head. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not defending the attackers or the idiots who are just enjoying watching it. But fail me if you will, but I'm not one to risk my life for some random stranger in a fight that I clearly would not be able to break up by myself
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the bitch behind the camera is annoying as fuck, too bad she didn't get stomped out.
Why are people in this thread shitting on the kid who stood up for himself and the old lady? just because he had the balls to do something you wouldn't?
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That little guys a security guard.....LoL!
Honestly tho, what did he expect was going to happen.
What does size have to do with being a security guard? You aren't allowed to lay a hand on anyone anyways. Why do you think you see old female security guards?
What the f*ck is wrong with people to sit there and continue to video tape this entire incident why screaming and laughing hysterically? What's funny about having some guy get shit-kicked by 3 people?
"WoOoOOoORLD STAR, WoOoOoORLD STARRRR"...
I hate that these people think that getting yourself on World Star is some sort of life time achievement...
I would have stepped in because it's the right thing to do, regardless of the risks to my personal safety. If I sat in my seat, appalled, but doing nothing, and one of the kicks to the neck the pussies landed happened to break the security guards neck and kill or paralyze him, I would spend the rest of my life wondering if stepping in would have prevented that. I'm not going to live my life afraid of what might happen, I'm going to live a life I can be proud of and never leave the opportunity to regret a decision because of hypothetical possibilities.
Where's the line.
If it was a woman being beaten, would you have stepped in?
If it was a parent hitting a child, would you say something?
If it was an older man that said something, would you have tried to prevent the beating?
What if it were a handicapped person, would you step in then?
or in every one of those circumstances, would you have been to afraid of what might happen to you, and ignore what is happening to the victim?
I'm not putting down your stance, it's very reasonable, I'm just curious.
At the end of the day the choice is up to you, one guy beat half to death or two. If you read my post, if it were something that my intervention could actually prevent then it'd be worth it for me to step in, it's not the victim but the attackers. Calling the cops is probably the best thing you could do unless you notice a group of UFC fighters also on the bus with you. seriously get off your moral high horse and get real,
I would rather be called a pussy and live to tell the tale then a mindless idiot with too much pride who got his ass killed over a few retards spitting on the train, but apparently in the eyes of some people that guy is a "hero" give me a fucking break
Had Joshua Anthony Camello harassed anyone I would've gladly intervened
At the end of the day, my stance is not going to be the popular one but in a case like this where the average commuter can not singlehandedly alleviate the situation it's better for society overall to have one victim than two. It's a philosophical dilemma but take the recent surrey stabbing case for example LINK
Good samaritan yes, but was it worth it? As a father or friend or just somebody who was reading the new which scenario would you rather be in?
At the end of the day the choice is up to you, one guy beat half to death or two. If you read my post, if it were something that my intervention could actually prevent then it'd be worth it for me to step in, it's not the victim but the attackers. Calling the cops is probably the best thing you could do unless you notice a group of UFC fighters also on the bus with you. seriously get off your moral high horse and get real,
I would rather be called a pussy and live to tell the tale then a mindless idiot with too much pride who got his ass killed over a few retards spitting on the train, but apparently in the eyes of some people that guy is a "hero" give me a fucking break
Are you on your rag?
I'm not on any high moral horse for my willingness to step in, any more than you're a pussy for sitting back and watching it happen.
So why don't you get the fuck off your horse, you aren't infinitely more intelligent than someone who would intervene. I've stepped into something before, and guess what, I wasn't stabbed, but I did stop something. Don't pretend it's a black and white scenario, that by defending the guy you're guaranteeing being beaten, it could go the other way.
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I'm not on any high moral horse for my willingness to step in, any more than you're a pussy for sitting back and watching it happen.
So why don't you get the fuck off your horse, you aren't infinitely more intelligent than someone who would intervene. I've stepped into something before, and guess what, I wasn't stabbed, but I did stop something. Don't pretend it's a black and white scenario, that by defending the guy you're guaranteeing being beaten, it could go the other way.
I never said you should never intervene, but in this particular scenario the average individual wouldn't be able to do much physically, I haven't met you in person and I have no idea whether you resemble hulk hogan so I can't speak for you, sorry.
Its funny because every so often these types of threads come along; and there is always a divide in people's reactions. Why the fuk are you guys always surprised by it?
There are pussy's and hero's in the world. Not everyone can fit into one category, otherwise neither would exist.
That said; the truth is, the situations have to be evaluated individually. You can only equate this situation to a man beating a child, or an elderly disabled person as much as you can equate it to two equally sized guys mutually agreeing to fight and one kicking the others ass and stopping before the guy gets hurt seriously.
If you are a 130lb weakling, what the fuck would I expect you to do for a stranger in the above situation? Absolutely nothing. Same way I wouldn't expect a 5 year old child to perform CPR on me after a serious car accident. It's where you draw that line based on the circumstances and what you individually can offer, that determine whether or not you are a pussy. For example, you are a tiny pregnant woman, you have the green light to walk away from virtually everything.
You are a single, 25 year old reasonably fit/athletic male. Your ass should be involved pretty quick when someone needs help. When and how to intervene would depend on victim relationship, severity of the incident, instigation, danger factor and so forth.
All that said, there are certainly too many bystanders in the world. And to the worst of you, I hope karma finds you eventually.
I'm not on any high moral horse for my willingness to step in, any more than you're a pussy for sitting back and watching it happen.
So why don't you get the fuck off your horse, you aren't infinitely more intelligent than someone who would intervene. I've stepped into something before, and guess what, I wasn't stabbed, but I did stop something. Don't pretend it's a black and white scenario, that by defending the guy you're guaranteeing being beaten, it could go the other way.
well I think this basically relates back to what Hurricane said though, I mean obviously I don't know if you like 6'5 250 or whatever. I feel like you have to pick your spots, like whether you can actually make a difference in the scenario, I guess is usually what it comes down to, at least for me anyways. Like if its 10 guys mobbing on someone, am I a pussy to call the cops instead of rushing in?. I mean at the end of the day I know I've walked away from things like that and there are times I've stepped in. Like you said its no guarantee you get beat, I've had the times where me stepping in was enough and they walked off, but I've been punched in the face too lol. I'm 5'10 190 pounds of fat lol, I ain't here to impress anyone on the internet.
I'd have jumped in to protect the kid. In a situation like that you don't fight the attackers you end it as quickly as possible. Throats, nuts, eyes, back of the knees.... It would be over in seconds.
Everyones fight or flight mechanism is different, but all it took was one or maybe two people on that whole train to stand up to these bitches. It's extra pathetic when people whip out cameras and encourage it. Those would have been next on my smash list. Posted via RS Mobile
. It's extra pathetic when people whip out cameras and encourage it. Those would have been next on my smash list.
This is the worst thing.
If the majority of other train passengers at least chimed in that spitting on transit was not acceptable, and then yelling "stop" when things escalated instead of pulling out the camera and egging them on, maybe shirtless black guy would have thought differently before taking swings.
I think that "Stepping in" doesn't necessarily have to mean physically getting involved.
If the majority of other train passengers at least chimed in that spitting on transit was not acceptable, and then yelling "stop" when things escalated instead of pulling out the camera and egging them on, maybe shirtless black guy would have thought differently before taking swings.
I think that "Stepping in" doesn't necessarily have to mean physically getting involved.
I wouldn't say worst. The video evidence could help track the individuals in the future.
Good point about helping doesn't necessarily involve jumping in, verbal words by various passengers might give voice of reason.
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