What would you do? - Train Rider Gets Stomped Because He Spoke Out

[TheKingdom2000]

Everyone talks a big game in my opinion.
And it is easy to say you'll do one thing.

Vancouver is a little different than the states.
Everyone here seems a littler bit more educated/respectful in my opinion. (mostly because we don't really have a ghetto)

I don't know if I would step in, but if I didn't it would kill me to see these thugs harassing other people. If I were by myself and they were rolling three deep and they looked aggressive like that. I honestly do not think I would stand up to them unless other people on the train were there to back me up.

[JD¹³]

Originally Posted by Ulic Qel-Droma

you don't touch someone unless you are ready to kill or die.

Please tell me that's not a serious statement.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Originally Posted by JD¹³

Please tell me that's not a serious statement.

what's there not to get?
im dead serious.

if you initiate a fight, you better be prepared to die, because the other person may kill you.

what if those guys started took a knife out and started stabbing him, is he going to start crying and regret standing up for that woman? of course he is, cuz he wasnt prepared for the ultimate conclusion.

what if they're not willing to give up the fight and they'll fight to the death?
well you better be ready to kill him or you're going to die as well.

what is the point of just punching someone? why even fight?

you don't see nations fighting each other in the ring, or with referees.
when you fight, it's to the death man. you have to be prepared to take a life, or have your life taken.

if you're NOT ready for that. you're not ready to fight. that's that man.

you're in the military, you should understand. when you fly your jet on a mission, you're ready to kill your enemy, you are also ready to get blown the fuck up right?

it's no different than a street fight. you set out on a mission to do something, you prepare for the worst, hope for the best. right?

every time i engage myself in someone else's business, i always think to myself, what if this guy goes batshit insane? am i ready for this? is my life worth meddling in someone else's business? am i ready to have blood on my hands for this cause?
if the answer is no, i don't engage. if the answer is yes, then i step in.
of course i also gauge the situation by how easy i think i can win without getting violent, but i always consider the worst. you HAVE to.

if you're not ready for those, you're going to lose the fight to someone else who has already accepted those results.

[JD¹³]

Originally Posted by Ulic Qel-Droma

what's there not to get?
im dead serious.

This isn't a military situation, it's 3 chimps on a train. I get what you're trying to say but that's a pretty broad and powerful statement that doesn't apply to 99.5% of altercations on the street.

The general population shouldn't be afraid of standing up for guys like the victim of this train attack because of a very very very distant "what if" scenario. Bully's count on people to have that mindset. You'd be amazed how fast bully's back down at the slightest hint of someone showing equal force back at them, which is why literally every guy that I've engaged that acted in a similar fashion to these goofs has either backed down or lost a physical altercation immediately because they're all show and no real go.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Originally Posted by JD¹³

This isn't a military situation, it's 3 chimps on a train. I get what you're trying to say but that's a pretty broad and powerful statement that doesn't apply to 99.5% of altercations on the street.

it's no different.
i analyse the situation
i see 3 huge, and already angry chimps, with inflated egos.
they're all bigger than me, probably faster, and stronger.
I have no weapon.
if they decide to fight me, i will lose.
if they decide to kill me, i will die.

the only chance i have is running away, or the element of surprise, which wont last long, and i'll probably still lose.

im not willing to die for this cause.
they're not killing anyone or hurting anyone. they're just being rude and obnoxious.

if they were beating on someone, maybe it would be different, but probably not, unless i really cared for that someone. i'd just call the cops.

if they chase me, and follow me, and insist on engaging me, of course i will have no choice. ill have to go for eyes, throat, groin whatever i can, find an object to use as a weapon. i would be willing to go to prison if i killed one of them with some accidental lucky blow to the head or whatever. of course i would argue it's not my fault. but im ready for the worst.


in your case what would you do? seriously. if u don't consider those factors, what if they lay those things down on the table?

it does apply to all altercations on the street. because, what if one of them wants to follow you home and do damage to you there?

what if you pick a fight with someone weaker than you? someone smaller. someone willing to bring it to another level outside the fight?

what are the chances of that? probably low. but i know they exist out there, because that's what i'd do. and im absolutely not unique in anyway. there's tons of me out there.

Originally Posted by JD¹³

The general population shouldn't be afraid of standing up for guys like the victim of this train attack because of a very very very distant "what if" scenario. $Bully's count on people to have that mindset. You'd be amazed how fast bully's back down at the slightest hint of someone showing equal force back at them, which is why literally every guy that I've engaged that acted in a similar fashion to these goofs has either backed down or lost a physical altercation immediately because they're all show and no real go.

youre right, i'd stand up for that guy, but not in a physical sense, cuz we'd get our asses handed to us. I'd probably just tell him to back down and let them go on their way cuz they're fucking idiots and youre NOT going to convince them to be better people in this one confrontation.

you're challenging them, not trying to fix them. it's a FIGHT man. not lesson on manners and etiquette.

or perhaps go to the lady and kindly say, why don't we go sit over there?
and just leave.

to some of you that may sound pussy, yes, i agree, but the flip side is not getting your head pounded in.

you've had experience in engaging people like this. ok, let me ask you, what if one of them really decides to go batshit insane on you? are you ready for the consequences? are you ready?
you cant predict what the other person will do. you can only gauge whether you can defeat them in that instant based on stature and size.

yeah, if i was bigger than all of them, or know some sort MMA or whatever bullshit, yeah i might be more confident in confronting them.
or if its just a little skinny kid, lol. yeah, i'd totally just jump in. but im still prepared to have blood on my hands if it comes down to it.

i wouldnt be in court crying to the judge saying "oh i didnt expect this to happen im so sorry, please dont put me in prison!"

if you really REALLY REALLY WANTED to teach them a lesson, you do it in a situation where you'll win. like i said, you can always follow them home and do whatever pleases you when they're asleep. lol they're probably poor, you can leave a nice note on their door step telling them they're asses. and then burn their car down.
i mean, if you want to WIN... then win. win in a way where you'll WIN for sure.

like i said, you cannot predict the people you engage in, the only thing you can do is to be prepared. the ONE time it does happen, you'll be already ready, and you'll act before they do. and you'll win.
you only have 1 life. it only takes 1 time. especially if you engage in these confrontations all the time, the chances of something happening like permanent damage or death is much greater than someone that doesnt engage in these things. so what's a few seconds of thought to prepare?

you and your buddy confront some bullies, one of you gets permanently injured/dies, crying in front of the judge and regretting getting involved aint gonna make your life any easier. but if you already accepted the worse, then life is all good.


i just have to throw in one last thing. the point of your confrontation, is not to fix anything. not to teach them anything. you already know they wont change.
the ONLY point of this confrontation is to satisfy your own ego. because the result is, nothing really will change at the end (maybe they'll back off and no one gets spit on, or no one gets in a scruff), but, in the end, still the result is the same. no one changed, nothing changed.
if we remove the ego factor, then clearly, nothing should be done.
but if you really want to get involved, to stand up for your values, or whatever it is, you're going to defend those values to the end right? i mean they're your core values right?
not only do you want to defend your values, you want to MAKE the opposition change. change will only come through extreme shock and pain, or death, or if you sit them down and convince them they're idiots. OBVIOUSLY the latter isnt going to happen.

i'd engage for the sake of a chance at permanent change, not for the sake of satisfying the current situation.

[ilvtofu]

Agree with Ulic, keep in mind these 3 guys (don't mean to jump to conclusions but sometimes it helps) are hoodlums with pretty much nothing to lose, and we can pretty much all agree that they're pretty hungry for a fight, this wasn't a random incident and the victim wasn't random. The 3 guys obviously aren't concerned with the consequences of attacking a stranger on the train and they are mentally prepared to put this kid in a wheelchair at least.

It's just not worth it in this particular scenario for one individual to stick up for this kid unless you were armed with at least a knife.

There is clearly a consensus that these bystanders that are laughing should go to hell, but I wouldn't call anyone a pussy for not throwing themselves at 3 guys twice his size.

[JD¹³]

Originally Posted by Ulic Qel-Droma

in your case what would you do? seriously.

Me? Way off topic but alright. I'd see three men tunnel-visioned on a single victim. I get a free shot at the first who will be totally defenseless. What I'd do would depend on the angle and his posture but it would have to disable him long enough to take out the other two. Once the first guy is down the other two will take notice, but it will take a moment for them to realize what's happening. In that time number two will get hit so hard in the gut or base of the throat that all he'll be doing is wheezing in the fetal position for the next 2-3 minutes. Heavy odds are number three backs down immediately after watching two of his buddies be dispatched in a matter of seconds. If not, I'd probably get a wild swinging haymaker that anyone who's taken a 1hr boxing class could avoid and counter.

Situation resolved. Help victim up, walk him to another car, get off at the next stop and seek medical / police attention. Later, become the target of many racial slurs and insults after video of myself destroying three black men is posted on WorldStarHipHop.

Originally Posted by Ulic Qel-Droma

if they chase me.... what if one of them wants to follow.... what if you pick a fight with....

I'll say again: the general population shouldn't be afraid of standing up for guys like the victim of this train attack because of a very very very distant "what if" scenario. If you're too small to do anything physically you should still stand up for what's right. If even a handful did that this video never would have been filmed. If everyone did the kid probably would be respectful enough not to be spitting on the train in the first place.

But....... that's just me.

[donjalapeno]

God damn, how can ANYONE live with women that sound like that...jesus all mighty.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Originally Posted by JD¹³

Me? Way off topic but alright. I'd see three men tunnel-visioned on a single victim. I get a free shot at the first who will be totally defenseless. What I'd do would depend on the angle and his posture but it would have to disable him long enough to take out the other two. Once the first guy is down the other two will take notice, but it will take a moment for them to realize what's happening. In that time number two will get hit so hard in the gut or base of the throat that all he'll be doing is wheezing in the fetal position for the next 2-3 minutes. Heavy odds are number three backs down immediately after watching two of his buddies be dispatched in a matter of seconds. If not, I'd probably get a wild swinging haymaker that anyone who's taken a 1hr boxing class could avoid and counter.

yeah, see, i can't do those things.
but if i could, what if that punch to the throat causes his windpipe to collapse, and he dies while you're fighting the other guys?

im talking about stuff like that, stuff you cant predict. i know it's a WHAT IF, but WHAT IF? you can't avoid those questions saying there's a slim chance. because IF it does happen, are you prepared?

i would be lol. fuck him, i killed him. it was an accident, but i accept it. ive already accepted it before i entered the fight.

Originally Posted by JD¹³

I'll say again: the general population shouldn't be afraid of standing up for guys like the victim of this train attack because of a very very very distant "what if" scenario. If you're too small to do anything physically you should still stand up for what's right. If even a handful did that this video never would have been filmed. If everyone did the kid probably would be respectful enough not to be spitting on the train in the first place.

But....... that's just me.

standing up for the victim is easy, standing up to those guys isnt.
but like i said, standing up for the right thing is pointless if there is no change right? what's the point of exerting all that energy and effort if at the end, there is no change? those 3 black guys aint gonna be better people if you win. unless u think the physical beating "teaches them a lesson". but then that is also a IF. and a slim chance at that too! sometime down the road, they're still gonna bully someone. your fighting efforts were wasted. u see what im saying?


Im in no way saying you're wrong.
hell if i knew you, and we were both on that train and you jumped in. i probably would jump in too. but dont be surprised when you turn around, and the guy you winded is on the ground getting his head stomped by my feet over and over again lol.

[m4k4v4li]

Originally Posted by JD¹³

I'll say again: the general population shouldn't be afraid of standing up for guys like the victim of this train attack because of a very very very distant "what if" scenario. If you're too small to do anything physically you should still stand up for what's right. If even a handful did that this video never would have been filmed. If everyone did the kid probably would be respectful enough not to be spitting on the train in the first place.

But....... that's just me.

first of all... the "general population" (a good portion being women, children, seniors) can't really do shit.

your judgement of a "very very very distant what if scenario" of getting hurt is not very distant at all. In fact, the chances of getting hurt when deciding to engage with people that have the intent of inflicting harm is quite high.

i don't think a collective effort in verbally shaming these guys would helped much

if you wanna risk you're life over someone else's petty dispute. go for it.

i prefer not putting myself in a situation where i may get severely fucked, stabbed or shot. hell, i don't even want a love tap shiner if its avoidable

[dachinesedude]

in these situations, if i was an on-looker, couple things would run through my head really quickly

1. am i physically able to take them on to make a difference, or will i get my assed kicked along with that guy
2. will i get sued if i hurt someone (prob wont happen here, but in asia, you gotta REALLY think bout that, kinda like the case where a home owner seriously injures a burgular, burgular sues and wins)
3. does the guy deserve help, or did he brought it on himself

3 angry black guys? oh hell no
3 skinny hongers? yea most likely

[JD¹³]

Originally Posted by Ulic Qel-Droma

but like i said, standing up for the right thing is pointless if there is no change right? what's the point of exerting all that energy and effort if at the end, there is no change?

Because I'd have stood up for a kid who couldn't defend himself against thugs. I'm not out to teach anyone a lesson. I believe in honesty, integrity, honour, and morality and it doesn't fucking matter if my actions change anything for the attackers - my goal would be to help the victim. My only hope would be that in the future if they bully again someone else steps up to the plate in any way possible to stop them. Might be a pipedream given the number of apathetic pushovers these days, but at least I'll have done my part and that's all I care about

By the way Ulic your stance is amusingly contradictory to your avatar

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

lol, i thought we were discussing if one of us were that kid.

I would think lobo would just not care cuz he generally doesnt care if it doesnt benefit him at all.
and if it annoyed him in anyway, he'd probably kill them all. and everyone else on the train.
and then everyone at the train station. lol

[JD¹³]

Originally Posted by Ulic Qel-Droma

if we remove the ego factor, then clearly, nothing should be done.

i'd engage for the sake of a chance at permanent change, not for the sake of satisfying the current situation.

There's where you and I are fundamentally on a completely different level. I'll leave it at that.

[Glove]

I have no idea if I would help or not...

god bless having a job and a car

[GLOW]

i would have looked for the train panic/security button if there was one and try to activate it and go unnoticed.

[lgman]