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@Flagella: exactly. I thought the whole movement was upset because the "1%" were in collusion to make it difficult or impossible for the bottom "99%" to be able to break into their level of wealth, and that the process of them holding the doors shut was destroying the economic climate for the "99%" and potentially pushing them deeper into poverty. I thought they were mad because the "1%" were wrecking the system and making off with all the spoils, so that even if the "99%" were to 'work their asses off' it wouldn't be possible for them to achieve levels of wealth or security anymore, and thus they are screwed.
Two of the issues being made aware of by the Occupy Movement is that
1) there is a large number of unemployed/underemployed people
2) increasing income/wealth gap,
and both these issues will hurt society in the longterm. It doesn't matter the reason - whether it's globalization or "greedy" corporations increasing the wealth gap, or the "laziness" of today's youth as many people are contending. If you can't find it in yourself to care about unemployment from a compassionate perspective, surely you can look at it from a selfish one and agree something must be done.
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Originally Posted by Liquid_o2
I think a lot of people in this thread are really confused on what is going on in the States right now.
It has absolutely nothing to do with "working hard" and those that are "lazy". I work my ass off everyday, but guess what, my career path will never get me into the 1%, no matter how hard I try. And most people's careers, whether they are nurses, or tradesmen, or engineers, or run their own small business, they won't make it to the 1% either. So stop with the bullshit about working hard.
SkinnyPupp and Unit are on the right path. It is all about corporate corruption, politicians continually making the wrong decisions and greed from a very select group of individuals.
Obviously not everyone, actually the majority isn't going to get into the 1% but it is still possible. That's why its called the 1% LOLOL
its survival of the fittest like Ulic said, get with the program or move out of the way.
people bitch and whine, but if you live in a developed country, guess what your already close to being the 1% of the world (523,000$ net worth puts u in that bracket)
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Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
Spoiler!
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that's what they decided to do.
The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20."
Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?' They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.
"I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, "but he got $10!"
"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!"
"That's true!!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!"
"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!
And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.
People often assume one who works 5 times harder make 5 times more money...
The other side of this example is:
All 10 men works for the same company in a self-sustaining economy:
The first 5 men works 40 hours a week making $20,000
The 6th men works 50 hours a week making $30,000
The 7th men works 60 hours a week making $70,000
The 8th men works 60 hours a week making $100,000
The 9th men works 40 hours a week making $200,000
The 10th men works 10/80 hours a week making $2,000,000+
The first 5-6 men are your typical min wage jobs
The 7th, 8th and 9th men are the hardworking middle class, e.g. accountant, nurse, engineer, managers
The 10th men are the ultra riches, investment banker...these people either sit back and enjoy their huge return on investment, or work 2x-3x harder than everyone else, but make makes 20x-30x more than money than everyone else)
To add to the point, the first 9 men works to provide real benefits to the society, they build, they provide healthcare, service, food, basic necessity
The 10th men's job was to provide liquidity for the economy....but in the past few years, they turned the economy into a giant casino. They made a lot more money, but it didn't bring any real benefits to the society.
Instead, the tenth men fucked up...
Their casino blew up and it destroyed many people's jobs and lives. Everyone are now poorer and earn 20% less money EXCEPT for the tenth men who is now earning more money than before.
So why is it surprising that the other 9 man are pissed off at the tenth?