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Old 01-17-2012, 08:08 PM   #26
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Get a cheap 4x4.. old Tahoe, Pathfinder, 4runners, heck even Rangers etc etc.. you don't want a cheap AWD car.. you want a 4x4.. Any pre 00 MY vehicles, AWD will be mechanical, you want something that parts a plenty (not to mention useful features like diff lock etc) and have plenty of ground clearance.

Make sure you get proper set of wheels...
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Old 01-17-2012, 08:18 PM   #27
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Ok to be honest, I am more concerned with getting a new car than the snow. I live near the skytrain station... The Civic is not a bad car, but it's getting boring. It's basically like an Eastern European house wife that cleans meticulously, and is great at cooking meat and potatoes, but not much else- the house will be spotless when you come home from work, and there will always be some hearty stew boiling in a pot, but everything else is bland. I want something funner. Something turbo-y and a GSX would be killing 2 birds with one stone.
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Old 01-17-2012, 08:21 PM   #28
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Go for a GSX/TSi AWD dude. Hit up BCDSM, there's usually a few nice, well maintained AWD DSMs on there.

This one's clean, belongs to someone on BCDSM.

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/bn...800615412.html

Musky is absolutely right. These cars get an unfair reputation because they're affordable and many people who don't know better will throw on power mods without support mods. They can be just as reliable as any other car when done properly.
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get a beater jeep cherokee.

Last year I had a 91 Cherokee Sport, and it was a great beater/winter car.

realistically, with a good set of dedicated snows, you should be able to get around just fine. I have a set on my volvo 740 (rwd), and no issues thus far. Winter hasnt really come all that yet though...
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Ok to be honest, I am more concerned with getting a new car than the snow. I live near the skytrain station... The Civic is not a bad car, but it's getting boring. It's basically like an Eastern European house wife that cleans meticulously, and is great at cooking meat and potatoes, but not much else- the house will be spotless when you come home from work, and there will always be some hearty stew boiling in a pot, but everything else is bland. I want something funner. Something turbo-y and a GSX would be killing 2 birds with one stone.
V8 RX-7. Not very reliable but how about the fun
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Old 01-17-2012, 10:22 PM   #31
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Subaru Legacy GT - AWD, turbo, manual, reliable.

..but I'm biased.
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Old 01-17-2012, 10:28 PM   #32
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I'd probably get a Subaru Impreza if I were in your position as far as a car goes, Jeep Cherokee or a 4runner for a 4x4.
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Old 01-17-2012, 11:18 PM   #33
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V8 RX-7. Not very reliable but how about the fun
putting a LS1 in there would definately make it much more reliable than a rotary. and cheaper for parts too.
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So since we're all talking about DSM's and all... how much truth is there to the infamous crankwalk issue to these things?
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It does happen. It's a lot less common on automatic cars. However, it's not nearly as common as some people make it out to be..and crankwalk can happen on any car. It's fairly common on MKIV Supras with a manual, and I've heard of it happening on big block Chevys.

Here are some stats on the causes of crankwalk..and again, it can happen on any car.

Dirt ........................................45.4%
Misassembly .......................... 12.8%
Misalignment .......................... 12.6%
Insufficient Lubrication..............11.4%
Overloading ............................8.1%
Corrosion ...............................3.7%
Improper Journal Finish ............3.2%
Other ......................................2.8%

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Find yourself a cheap Subaru Justy!!! I found one for school and now I'm bombing past errryone. The thing is so wicked to cruise around in and costs nothing for gas. The 4x4 button on the shifter might as well be this:

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Im a little subaru biased..

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Ive always wanted to get one of these.. but they are hard to find and over priced, even used..
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So since we're all talking about DSM's and all... how much truth is there to the infamous crankwalk issue to these things?
Very true. Late model 92's changed to whats called a 7 bolt bottom end which uses a different thrust bearing layout. Crankwalk doesn't happen to all the cars but we've seen soooo many of them develop crankwalk over time. It's hit or miss. Late 96's and newer were revised and don't seem to have to much of an issue. Furthermore when people upgrade the clutch to a really strong pressure plate it puts a lot of thrust pressure on the crank during start-up when you press in the clutch when there isn't good oil protection. So we usually recommend de-activating the clutch switch so you don't get as much wear.
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Like others have said, AWD only helps if you get stuck, I also find that people with AWD and 4WD tend to crash more because they think it makes them invincible. If you want AWD for the real benefits, then there's also the Mitsubishi/Dodge Stealth VR4, Toyota Celica GTFour, Mitsubishi Galant VR4, Nissan Skyline, Infinity G35X, BMW 325IX, Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution etc etc etc
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+1 for jeep cherokee

i have a 99 jeep cherokee sport and the car feels awesome in the snow even with all seasons on

i am aware that i do not have winters on so that is why i leave larger space margins


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dunno what tires you got on but fwd is awesome in the snow if you have good snow tires... I have semperit speed grip tires from germany for about 3 years now and man, i plow through snow and stop on ice like its dry pavement. do your research on good snow tires and you will be fine.
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my ep3 did pretty well in the snow.. of course i had blizzaks.. . it handled better than my SHAWD MDX with stock all-season..

imo, the ep3 was pretty predicable to drive and i like it overall compared to my big suv
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it is all about the tires.

2 yrs ago i had to abandon my car on the street cause it wont move. I had all season tires.
1 year later, i put on snow tires and i want ripping through that shit like a boss.
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^ true dat.

My suby with all seasons didn't help much in the snow few years back.

Slapped on some snow tires and I was like
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+1 for jeep cherokee

i have a 99 jeep cherokee sport and the car feels awesome in the snow even with all seasons on

i am aware that i do not have winters on so that is why i leave larger space margins

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I just bought a 2000 off my parents because they moved, I love these things.
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lol @ selling your car for awd for a Vancouver winter...

Come up to Edmonton or Calgary to see winter. I know people are gonna go on about how Vancouver is a wetter snow which is true. In Alberta they only really plow main roads which means that you are pretty much driving on ice most of the time when you arent on a main road.
Even the cheapest snow tires will be better then a good set of all seasons when it comes to snow and ice.
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lol @ selling your car for awd for a Vancouver winter...

Come up to Edmonton or Calgary to see winter. I know people are gonna go on about how Vancouver is a wetter snow which is true. In Alberta they only really plow main roads which means that you are pretty much driving on ice most of the time when you arent on a main road.
Even the cheapest snow tires will be better then a good set of all seasons when it comes to snow and ice.
This. I lived in northern alberta down a dirt road that they plowed maybe twice a month. Snow drifts everywhere because of the chinooks from the mountains mixed with the lack of trees. I drove a shitty ford tempo and it still managed to get through those drifts. Dealing with snow driving is a lot easier with a standard and decent winter tires. I always used all seasons because I was a cheap basterd and I learned to be light on the throttle and downshift to slow down.

As for cheap awd/winter cars. I always wanted a celica gt-4. But they're very rare and probably a pain to maintain. Subaru's are always a good answer. Same with toyota 4runners and jeeps. Both will last a lifetime, except for the body.
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Also AWD is not just AWD, there is electronic AWD (ie. Haldex) then there's mechanical AWD (Torsen) then the power distribution ability (i.e. 50/50 95/5) and the complexity of the AWD system (i.e. 3 LSDs on a Evo 9 vs Audi Quattro.) Then you also have each independent car companies traction control program (some sucks so much to the point that it is safer if you didn't have AWD in the first place)

What you are looking for really depends on what you expect out of the AWD system, if you get stuck in snow often then you'd want to get something with a locking diff, and if you want electronic assistance for slippery roads then get ready out major cash for something that is remotely decent.

But seriously AWD vs no AWD only plays a small part of how well a car does in winter. A well designed FWD that has good weight distro and good suspension and drivetrain setup is going to fare better than a front heavy AWD tank (with proper tires of course)
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ill trade u my 95 jeep grand Cherokee v8 limited with flowmaster exhaust, 4x4 package and 4inch lift, great running, plus give u cash for ur ep3 lol gets around in the snow with almost bald tires nevermind if u had good ones and is pretty quick and has the v8 roar!
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Nothing wrong with FWD in the snow IF you know how to drive and have snow tires. Of the various FWD car's I've owned, the only one I ever got stuck in was due to all season tires. Buy some GOOD snow tires and learn how to be gentle with the throttle/brake/2nd gear starts etc. and you'll be just fine. My old MK3 Golf GTI loved the snow.
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