Driving ban against alleged Ferrari street racer overturned
 

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O well no evidence right?
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and thats really all you need to know about this. our justice system is here for a reason.

The way the law should be. Move on, nothing to see here.

The driver of the 599 should also be getting his car back from the impound lot.

For anyone that thinks this is "justice", I posted this in the other thread:

Ottawa teen convicted in deadly street racing case - Ottawa - CBC News

Witnesses testified to override the statements of those involved that they were doing 50kmph when in fact they were doing 100+kmph.

If the witnesses had testified in this case, the judge hopefully would have ruled differently. Its not like it was one witness out to get a bunch of kids, there were several witnesses, who unfortunately chose not to testify.

If you do agree this is "justice" then the other drive does not deserve to have his suspension lifted. He filed late, that's how our system works.

dont impound the Ferraris they didn't do anything wrong!
i say free the Ferraris (revscene charity raffle LOL) but keep those guys locked up .... :D

13 drivers allegedly sped through a busy stretch of highway. How many eye witness who was driving 80km/h saw the cars zoomed by them and dialed 911? The cops did not act on ONE phone call. They acted upon x-number of calls from callers who are not related to one another. Question is - how many callers where there?

Some of the comments that made sense

I like #3.

I hate #1. Only someone "not so smart" would believe in conspiracy theories where multiple people conspire to call 911 with the same description at the same time.

What I find really amusing (from reading the other thread on this topic) is the assertion that NOBODY who witnessed and phoned in the event could possibly have been competent enough to know how fast these drivers were going, let alone that they were racing or weaving or blocking other traffic... and yet, if you ask around this car-oriented forum, I don't think you'll find one person who doesn't think they're perfectly able to tell how fast another car is going.

^my point exactly. Say I am driving 100km/hr and a car beside me passes by me at amazing speed...

Let's say you happen to be driving an R8, Aston, etc.. responsibly in the vicinity of these alleged street racers. They blow past at twice your speed and unknown to you take the next exit which is still out of sight.

Several 911 calls are made to report exotic cars "racing eachother". Some licence plates are recorded and passed on to police, some not.

You, driving responsibly in your exotic car takes the same exit the racers took a few minutes earlier. The police are now on the case and have started rounding up exotic cars on roads fed by the highway exit you just took.

Nope, not going to look bad at all....

These drivers were charged with minor traffic offenses, not criminal offenses. You can charge someone based on witness testimony but if the ticket is disputed, you can't convict unless the witness is able to show up in court. When you have multiple witnesses without specific evidence or in some cases contradictory evidence, you really don't have much of a case. We live in a country where there is a rule of law and the burden of proof is rightly on the prosecution side. I for one am pleased that justice has prevailed.

Relax, Marco, nobody considers a C4S to be an "exotic" so there's no chance of you getting accidentally lumped in.

I side with the police most of the time but have to disagree on this.

It doesn't matter if you or I know how fast they were going. We are not professionally trained and our statement should NEVER be allowed to use as CONCLUSIVE evidence to take away somebody else's property. You can give them a ticket, fine. But take away their property? That's pretty serious stuffs. What CAN and CANNOT be used as evidence in court matters. Once a verdict is delivered, it's used as reference for judges in future case. Do you cringe at the possibility of any one person being able to report you for whatever stuffs you didn't do and you can your car crushed? Our system of law, or pretty much anywhere else in the world, would rather let the guilty off than hang the wrong person. And it should be that way.

Also I believed they were charged in a civil court, in which the burden of proof is substantially lighter than in criminal court. The fact the judges tossed the case shows you how weak the evidence is.

Also I believed they were charged in a civil court, in which the burden of proof is substantially lighter than in criminal court. The fact the judges tossed the case shows you how weak the evidence is.[/QUOTE]


Police don't charge anyone for civil court, it must be for criminal, treaffic court etc. I'm not aware that you were provided with the reason that the charges were stayed? Could you provide us with a copy of the decision? There are many reasons that a "judge" could dismiss the charges and not having enough evidence to prove a charge is only one of them. Lots of technical legal reasons, witesses that don't show etc...

I posted a case where it was. In Canada that case becomes case law, thus our law now states that untrained witnesses are capable of telling the difference between 50 kmph and 100 kmph.

An Ontario judge just ruled that untrained witness testimony can be used.

So you know how case law works, good. Review the case I posted and see what happens when witnesses actually step forward, unlike this case where it seems none testified.

I have a tin foil hat for you.

Explain how the situation I described couldn't happen.

If they blew by you at twice the speed you were going, then by the time you drive by where they get caught, you 'should' have arrived late enough that they would not lump you in with them. If you arrived soon enough to be rounded up by the cops, then you would have been going quite fast yourself to be able to almost catch up to them.

The government can read your brain waves. You might want to protect yourself from this possibility.

ever notice how people who speed passed you always end up at the same traffic lights as you?