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dryjesus 05-29-2012 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by !MiKrofT (Post 7931158)
The videocard doesn't always pull 200W. That's only on full load which most of the time it isn't.
Yeah, but you still have to put into account when the video card IS on full load. If a computer pulls 450w at full load, you're not going to get a 400w and think "most of the time it won't be a 450w, so i'll just go with a little lower".

You should always have a good amount of headroom. As I said before, if you get close to the max wattage of your power supply, the fan will ramp up louder. And then you have capacitor aging, where the capacitors on your PSU degrades over time and the effective wattage of your power supply lowers.

Most power supplies usually have the best efficiency at around 50% load. Shorn's computer will probably idle at around 200~. It would be annoying if the PSU fan ramped up every time he opened something.

And if he ever decides to get a new video card that might use a little more power, he doesn't need to worry or wonder if his psu can handle it.

Don't get me wrong, you're probably fine with the 400w, but I would prefer a 500w to be worry free about upgrading and to avoid a loud fan.

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Originally Posted by Shorn (Post 7931173)
not sure if i should trust jesus or not :pokerface:

but even if it is enough i probably will get the 500w then.. i'd prefer it to be more quiet most of the time
Hope that's enough to convince you? You don't have to trust me... after all, it's just advice! :) You probably don't trust a guy with a 4 post count. I understand... :'(

dryjesus 05-29-2012 12:32 AM
I think NCIX will flash the firmware for free for you also. But a refurb motherboard doesn't have to come back with the latest BIOS update. What if it's an a refurb that's been sitting there for a while, and a new BIOS is released? But yeah, give them a call or borrow from a friend.

Purely 05-29-2012 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Shorn (Post 7931173)
not sure if i should trust jesus or not :pokerface:

but even if it is enough i probably will get the 500w then.. i'd prefer it to be more quiet most of the time
Like Jesus said, for your rig I would get at least 500w+. Aside from the noise factor, I would probably get 5-600w+ so that the PSU would be future proof when you upgrade parts later on.

SkinnyPupp 05-29-2012 02:16 AM
That's somewhat ironic, since an upgrade would bring down his power consumption considerably ;)

.Renn.Sport 05-29-2012 04:32 AM
Gonna build 4 of these for my china home to play Diablo with my frds
not even gonna bother with a DVD drive... all new games are network downloaded anyways...
Core i5 3550
Micro ATX Z77 board
8GB Ram
Any 560GTX
Any branded PSU @500w
Any good looking MATX case
Intel 120GB SSD
Dell 23" Ultrasharp IPS LCD

Around $7300 HKD

!MiKrofT 05-29-2012 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by dryjesus (Post 7931365)
Yeah, but you still have to put into account when the video card IS on full load. If a computer pulls 450w at full load, you're not going to get a 400w and think "most of the time it won't be a 450w, so i'll just go with a little lower".

You should always have a good amount of headroom. As I said before, if you get close to the max wattage of your power supply, the fan will ramp up louder. And then you have capacitor aging, where the capacitors on your PSU degrades over time and the effective wattage of your power supply lowers.

Most power supplies usually have the best efficiency at around 50% load. Shorn's computer will probably idle at around 200~. It would be annoying if the PSU fan ramped up every time he opened something.

And if he ever decides to get a new video card that might use a little more power, he doesn't need to worry or wonder if his psu can handle it.

Don't get me wrong, you're probably fine with the 400w, but I would prefer a 500w to be worry free about upgrading and to avoid a loud fan.



Hope that's enough to convince you? You don't have to trust me... after all, it's just advice! :) You probably don't trust a guy with a 4 post count. I understand... :'(
I think it'll idle lower than 200. But anways I think the first issue to resolve first is the non booting first and then upgrade the powersupply.

J.C 05-29-2012 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by NCIX
HI J---------,
Yes this would have had the latest BIOS from when we had received this from the manufacturer. At this time If you wish to have it brought into an NCIX store to update the BIOS the techs may charge you for this as we do not guarantee any BIOS revisions. I apologize for any inconveniences this may have caused. If you have any further questions or concerns please let me know.
FFFFFFFFFFF, i'll check @ aberdeen later and hopefully I don't get charged

dryjesus 05-29-2012 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp (Post 7931401)
That's somewhat ironic, since an upgrade would bring down his power consumption considerably ;)
You're right, but it depends on the card really.

Most likely the computer isn't booting up right now because the board doesn't support ivy without the newest bios. Or the board is plain broken.

Shorn 05-29-2012 10:59 AM
thank you jesus

!MiKrofT 05-29-2012 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by jc95 (Post 7931590)
FFFFFFFFFFF, i'll check @ aberdeen later and hopefully I don't get charged
They shouldn't need to charge. I mean it's such a simple procedure and if you explain your situation I'm sure they'll end up doing it for free.

J.C 05-30-2012 06:39 PM
Woo got it all set up and done
The guy at ncix fixed it for me no charge and he forgot 4gb of ram on my motherboard
Ill drop it off to them on saturday

belaud 05-30-2012 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by jc95 (Post 7931590)
FFFFFFFFFFF, i'll check @ aberdeen later and hopefully I don't get charged
lol that was me :troll:

belaud 05-30-2012 06:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dryjesus (Post 7931365)
Yeah, but you still have to put into account when the video card IS on full load. If a computer pulls 450w at full load, you're not going to get a 400w and think "most of the time it won't be a 450w, so i'll just go with a little lower".

You should always have a good amount of headroom. As I said before, if you get close to the max wattage of your power supply, the fan will ramp up louder. And then you have capacitor aging, where the capacitors on your PSU degrades over time and the effective wattage of your power supply lowers.

Most power supplies usually have the best efficiency at around 50% load. Shorn's computer will probably idle at around 200~. It would be annoying if the PSU fan ramped up every time he opened something.

And if he ever decides to get a new video card that might use a little more power, he doesn't need to worry or wonder if his psu can handle it.

Don't get me wrong, you're probably fine with the 400w, but I would prefer a 500w to be worry free about upgrading and to avoid a loud fan.



Hope that's enough to convince you? You don't have to trust me... after all, it's just advice! :) You probably don't trust a guy with a 4 post count. I understand... :'(
Capacitor decay is very limited now, as 99.99999999% of the named power supplies are all solid japanesaru caps, however, decay happens immediately once they are ran outside their specified loads (450W on a 420W), this will cause immediate damage to the power supply.

J.C 05-30-2012 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by belaud (Post 7933177)
lol that was me :troll:
really? i got your ram :troll:


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