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Old 06-06-2012, 01:56 PM   #1
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Was recently in a Honda showroom waiting for some service to be done, and looked around. The only worthwhile thing to look at was the Civic SI, and maybe the Fit.

The cr-z is useless, the accord is now ridiculously overweight, the crosstour is . Even recent Acuras as not as desirable anymore due to the horrible beak.

Honda still has a loyal following due to the cars it USED to make, but as everyone else believes, are not heading to a good direction.

The ONLY thing it has going for itself is that its cars are STILL more interesting tha Toyota's. But that's not saying much.
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can't believe its taken people this long to realize that hondas are shit now.
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The Honda lineup is quite depressing and the cars are all blah. It's no wonder why Kia is becoming popular, just look at their lineup.
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See: safety standards and economy regs.

As with a couple other manufacturers, Honda has lost the way. They've concentrated on adding technology and with that, losing the pure road feel that you got in older cars.

Honda has always tried to stay humble, but recently that has been lost, and has been replaced with something that we don't recognize or love.

Some say that the most valued designs of today are those that have already run their course, and I think that this is the period in time where we need those core values back.

Companies are focusing on what the next trend will be instead of keeping the seat of your pants feeling in every car that they make.
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Honda still has a loyal following due to the cars it USED to make, but as everyone else believes, are not heading to a good direction.

The ONLY thing it has going for itself is that its cars are STILL more interesting tha Toyota's. But that's not saying much.
I dunno if that is still the case. It is true that Toyota's line up still consists of mostly boring vanilla flavoured cars, but their current CEO (Akio Toyoda-san) is smart enough to recognize their mistakes and actively do something about it. For example, Toyota's current portfolio has the Lexus LFA, IS-F, Scion FR-S / Subie BRZ twins, etc.

But what has Honda done? Killed off the S2k and Integra/RSX with no successor in the plans (even as a lower production halo car). The Civic Si has been neutered and mutilated again and again. The CRZ is nothing but a dud.

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Honda needs leadership like Akio Toyoda, who understands the passion in driving.

Until then, all Honda has is the V6-Hybrid, AWD, American-designed boat. At least Honda isn't defacing the Type-R badge with any of its junk models.

As posted on JNC, the mindset of Honda right now is ridiculous; it's idea of progression is leaving the past behind.. the past that made it successful.
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only reason why hondas are still selling are because of the awesome hondas of the past.


the pre 00' civics were great cars.
80's-90's hondas were the greatest.

the company really started to die when they pulled the plug on several of their sportier cars...

their R&D nowadays seems to be worse and worse by the year imo..

what happened to all the exciting hondas? even the SOHC motor'ed Si's were nice to drive.
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Old 06-06-2012, 03:27 PM   #11
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“If Honda does not race there is no Honda.”
That just about sums it up. My loyalities to Honda lie with the past, not the present.
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Old 06-06-2012, 03:34 PM   #13
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Honda are still very good vehicle, they last longer than other competition out there,80-90's were like a good era in HONDA marketing...I just blame on lack of design in making new models...they don't stand out now unlike Kia and Hyundai..They should put in more ideas and thoughts in the design...

But still Honda did make very nice model that are now history that people in revscene still have and love....
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Honestly car enthusiasts make up a small port Honda's revenue. In all honestly the move to 4 cylinder engines might play into Honda's hand.
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The Honda lineup is quite depressing and the cars are all blah. It's no wonder why Kia is becoming popular, just look at their lineup.
im also happy that people are finally realizing that honda makes crap cars now
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Honda still race in Indy, GT Racing, Motobike etc.. just because they are not in F1 doesn't mean they are not racing.

Their current problem is they are chasing a larger audience than ignore car enthusiasts... well if you think about their Odyssey is handles better than their competitor's minivan.

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im also happy that people are finally realizing that honda makes crap cars now
Honda doesn't make crap cars. They make boring cars. They just haven't been keeping up with their competitors, namely the Koreans.

For the price of a mid-model Civic, you can get a fully loaded Sonata or Optima with double sunroof, heated leather, navi, back up cam, push start, the list goes on. Not to mention free financing. The new Kias/Hyundais also look way more sleek and modern compared to the Civic's depressing look.

Lot of Hondas in my history of cars, (still driving a beater EL that's running strong), but if I was in the market for a new low cost sedan right now, I'd go with Kia/Hyundai in a heartbeat.
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the CRV is pretty good in person better than it ever was imo

and people seem to still love driving the civic (although its ugly imo)

other than that :/
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Honda is still quite active in racing, especially in SuperGT

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Honestly car enthusiasts make up a small port Honda's revenue. In all honestly the move to 4 cylinder engines might play into Honda's hand.
Except that these days 4-cylinder turbos are becoming the norm. Unless Honda gets on the turbo train soon, I think that they'll fade away.
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I am a big Honda fan, loved the NSX and S2000 and I would still love to drive an ITR or CTR... I wouldn't hesitate to trade my FRS & M3 for a NSX or S2000, assuming they still sell them as new cars.
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I agree that Honda has lost their ways in terms of producing cars that feel alive and worth driving. However, as an employee of a Honda dealership the amount of new car buyers that pass through the service department is fairly impressive. Civics and CRV's are being delivered by the hour, and in Honda's point of view that's all the matters; money.

Honda has established themselves in the general public's eyes as one of the most reliable car manufactures next to Toyota. And for a family looking to purchase a vehicle for themselves or their child, that's what they will look for.

Their attempt to relive their sports car days failed miserably with the CRZ. The car has no 'life' to it and does not capture that raw driving spirit that we as enthusiasts are craving for.
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Honda still race in Indy, GT Racing, Motobike etc.. just because they are not in F1 doesn't mean they are not racing.

Their current problem is they are chasing a larger audience than ignore car enthusiasts... well if you think about their Odyssey is handles better than their competitor's minivan.
Didn't Honda motors win the Indy 500 this year first and second? Third was Chevy I think.
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