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Old 07-31-2012, 12:12 AM   #2426
 
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Seeing how they both play centre.. nothing? Haha.
chances are one of the two will be moved to the wing, especially with Stephen Weiss already there and their current wingers.

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It's almost sad how us Canuck fans are trying to convince ourselves that Florida actually needs Luongo. Luongo isn't the only goalie in the NHL. If Florida wants a goalie, why don't they go after Kipper? He's old but he's only got 2 years left on his contract and played very well last year. Why not go after Halak?
kipper like iginla will rot in calgary until they retire. management refuses to move them. halak is stl #1. elliot just had a jim carey like season a year after he was a incredibly horrible goalie.
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It's almost sad how us Canuck fans are trying to convince ourselves that Florida actually needs Luongo. Luongo isn't the only goalie in the NHL. If Florida wants a goalie, why don't they go after Kipper? He's old but he's only got 2 years left on his contract and played very well last year. Why not go after Halak? With Elliott playing so well last year, Halak might be available. I'm sure either Feaster or Armstrong will trade their goalie for one or two of Florida's awesome prospects. Why would they give up the same propects to Vancouver for a 33 year old who's got 10 years left on his contract?
come on, you would really pick kipper over luongo?
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come on, you would really pick kipper over luongo?
Why not? Kipper had better numbers in every major goaltending stat than Luongo last year except shut outs. Kipper and Luongo in the past 3 years have both averaged 36 wins a year so based on that Kipper has always done more with less in terms of teammates. And like I said, Kipper's contract expires after the 2013-2014 season at which his actual salary is a mil and a half so it'll be way more flexible for a team to trade for him than say Luongo's.
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Seems that might be the only thing holding up a potential trade. Hopefully they can sort it out.. Florida already has a lot of depth at center - Huberdeau, Grimaldi, Wright, McFarland, Bjugstad. That's just the center prospects not on the team - Weiss, Matthias, Goc, Santorelli and Madden are all on the squad.. Something has to give.
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Knowing Florida, they will probably cave in
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they are a team in transition
i doubt it this time
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they are a team in transition
i doubt it this time
But they still need to solve their goaltending problem. I don't think Florida wants to be Tampa 2.0. Firepower and defence but crappy goaltending.

Luongo and Kipper would provide that.

The difference is the asking price from Vancouver and Calgary.

BUT SINCE CALGARY ALWAYS THINK THEY CAN MAKE THE PLAYOFFS WITHOUT REBUILDING .....I don't think Feaster will ask for a lot for kipper.
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I don't know about Kipper, he seems like the type who is just about ready to retire when his contract is up. If not before that - his last year is 1.5 mil. He really likes it in Calgary too, oddly enough
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Why is Mike Gillis Demanding Nick Bjugstad From the Florida Panthers?

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As the NHL summer slowly creeps towards what we all hope will be a season that starts on time the Vancouver Canucks still have goalie Roberto Luongo on their roster. There has been a lot of chatter and assumptions that he will be traded before the season and nearly every hockey pundit is convinced that a likely landing spot for the talented goalie will be the Florida Panthers.

Luongo played there before and liked it, the fans there liked him, his wife is from Florida and the Canucks and Panthers have a long history of making deals together. So get it done already right?


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Many people have speculated that the hold up in the deal is that Canucks General Manager Mike Gillis is demanding that the Panthers include their 2010 first round draft pick, Nick Bjugstad, as part of the deal. Florida, so far, is unwilling to part with the University of Minnesota forward and we find ourselves at the crossroads.

Just who is Bjugstad and why does Gillis want him so badly?

Bjugstad just completed his sophomore year at the University of Minnesota and scored 25 goals and 42 points in 40 games with the Gophers. Those numbers are surely enticing and so his Bjugstad’s size. He is listed at 6’5” and 212 pounds which fits the bigger and younger mold that Gillis has said he is after.

His game also fits the mold that Gillis and the Canucks like. He can play in all situations, kill penalties, play on the power play and takes care of his own end. The Canucks have been after more depth in their top six and Bjugstad definitely projects to be a top six forward.

The only draw back is that he won’t be in the NHL this coming season. Bjugstad will return to Minnesota for another year with the Gophers and if the Canucks were to land him they would at least have to wait until next season to see him in Rogers Arena. While bringing in BJugstad would be great for the future he would not help the Canucks this season.

Surely there would be other pieces coming back in such a trade but Bjugstad would be the key player.

The dilemma here is that the Canucks roster is built to win now and if they pull this trade off they will still be in desperate need for more scoring out of their top six. With the remaining free agent market made up entirely of Shane Doan and his tour of NHL clubs it is unclear where Vancouver is going to get the player they need for this season. Most people assumed they would address the forward situation through the Luongo trade. It does not appear that is what Gillis has in mind.

Should Gillis lower his demands for Luongo? Should he be looking for NHL ready players to win now?

There are some signs that the youth movement may be on in Vancouver. After the season Gillis made a point about getting younger and bigger which explains bringing in players like Zack Kassian, choosing to go with a younger goalie in Schneider and his pursuit for Bjugstad.

Gills may be trying to walk the tight rope of competing for a Cup and rebuilding at the same time.

A General Manager’s job is to win consistently and to do that you have to be able to look forward a bit for sure, but Gillis’ job is tough because he has a Stanley Cup roster whose window is starting to close. The Sedin twins are going to be 32, Ryan Kesler has started to appear injury prone and Alex Burrows is 31 and headed into his last contract year.

How much longer will Vancouver win with this lineup? It would seem that Gillis feels the roster, as it is, can win a Stanley Cup as he has not made any major moves that would suggest a panic or a feeling of lost hope.

Is that wise though?

At the end of last season the Canucks were a tired and worn out lot so on some level getting younger makes sense. However, if ‘younger’ means guys who are a year or two away from contributing is Gillis missing an opportunity here? Should he be selling the farm to win it all now, with this roster? Shouldn’t he be trying to acquire players who are NHL ready and can put the club over the top this season?

We will certainly find the answers to those questions this season.
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Media's perception of building an NHL team.
Sell the Farm vs. Sell your Vets for picks (complete rebuild)

Whereas a lot of Stanley Cup winning teams rely on a lot of up and coming young players to step up their game.

LA - King, Voynov, Lewis, Martinez, Quick. They have young players at cheap cap hits.
Boston - Sequin, Marchand, Peverley.

I actually don't mind what Gillis is doing right now. I think another centre and a defenceman, and we are in good shape.
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its similar to what philly is doing. not quite the same extent, but moving big pieces and STILL remaining competitive.

we just need to find our claude giroux now
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I'm thinking Gillis is holding out and hoping that Florida comes out to a bad start. The pressure will mount and Florida will be forced to overpay and make the trade despite Tallon not wanting to part with him
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Apparently at Italian Kitchen with Canucks execs??
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I'm thinking Gillis is holding out and hoping that Florida comes out to a bad start. The pressure will mount and Florida will be forced to overpay and make the trade despite Tallon not wanting to part with him
And because of Lu's slow start, their bad start will just get even worse.
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