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Old 08-12-2012, 01:27 AM   #26
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well justified or not, i'd have to say he deserved it. If you are stupid enough to charge at cops with an 11 inch knife, you're pretty much asking for it. In such a high traffic area, if he was capable of pulling out a knife, who knew what he would do next, take a hostage maybe. I don't care how the media is going to turn this one, but if you're acting like a fool then be ready to take the consequences. If I was a cop and had a crazed man charge me and my co-workers with a knife, I'd shoot him too. Our lives > what the media thinks
You're obviously twisting what happened and have no moral value for human life or arent smart enough to see an alternative route to save that poor soul.
First of all he was not chasing anyone, he was scared or out of his mind, this day in his adulthood, running through the streets and the cops positioned themselves to be confronted by him... the video doesnt lie.
Second the SPCA use nets when predatory animals are running wild, why such alternative setups arent used to subdue situations like this is because the cops are programed to kill people that act crazy and also the public, like yourself, have been media conditioned not to be outraged when this happens.


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Although to be fair, I don't think they deserve any awards because they let the pole smoking fatherless mother fucking waste of space and shit scum of humanity, the ones yelling "worldstar", live. I would round them up and kill them too.
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You're obviously twisting what happened and have no moral value for human life or arent smart enough to see an alternative route to save that poor soul.
First of all he was not chasing anyone, he was scared or out of his mind, this day in his adulthood, running through the streets and the cops positioned themselves to be confronted by him... the video doesnt lie.
Second the SPCA use nets when predatory animals are running wild, why such alternative setups arent used to subdue situations like this is because the cops are programed to kill people that act crazy and also the public, like yourself, have been media conditioned not to be outraged when this happens.


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Right... so what kind of normal citizen needs to carry a large knife around with them? How do people even get themselves into these situations?
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Could be a hundred reasons, maybe its legal drugs called pharmaceuticals, which are given out like candy, that is playing with his mind process. Could be he was living in one of the endless destined ghettos that the CIA distributes crack and heroin in which he has tried out of depression and now is looney from.

The7even your raciest (even if your black) monkey speech sounds like you're being hard pressed by the man, so much so that you think its okay to kill mentally unstable people so that you can get a better edge in the rat race... less Americans, more jobs and food right.


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they also use specific bullet....police bullets are made to kill...bullets the army use are meant to only injure...so the enemy can be captured.
police bullets are not made to kill.
they're made to not penetrate flesh, therefore can't penetrate armor. the bullets mushroom out to make sure they don't penetrate through the body and hit somebody else, and that the full force of the bullet is exerted into your body, most probably knocking you down. depending on where you're hit, the shock wave from the bullet can rip through your organs and up your neck into your brain.

military bullets are made to penetrate personnel armor and kill.
they travel way faster, are sharp, penetrate armor, then tumble sideways becoming unstable at high speeds, and shattering in your body, like a mini grenade, trying to rupture as many vital organs and fuck your central nervous system up, and the largest part of the bullet exits the back of your body. you will most likely die relatively fast, or bleed to death.
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You're obviously twisting what happened and have no moral value for human life or arent smart enough to see an alternative route to save that poor soul.
First of all he was not chasing anyone, he was scared or out of his mind, this day in his adulthood, running through the streets and the cops positioned themselves to be confronted by him... the video doesnt lie.
Second the SPCA use nets when predatory animals are running wild, why such alternative setups arent used to subdue situations like this is because the cops are programed to kill people that act crazy and also the public, like yourself, have been media conditioned not to be outraged when this happens.


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I don't think you read my post, I'm not twisting anything. I never said he chased anyone, he charged at police with a knife when cornered. Nor did I say his intentions were to take a hostage, but since he was scared or "out of his mind" as you stated, there could be a possibility he'd take someone hostage out of fear or craze. Not saying he would, but it's possible. I also would not consider him a "poor soul". Do illegal drugs in public in broad daylight, okay whatever, he could be a good person with judgement issues. Carrying a concealed weapon and pulling it on police, I doubt he was Jesus in his past life.

I already think north american law is lenient enough. Anymore so and it would not be a very safe place to live because criminals would just do whatever they want knowing they'd just get a slap on the wrist and be out on the street again to do as they wish. I feel way safer walking down a dark street at midnight with 10k in my bag here in shanghai than I ever did walking empty handed back to my parked car in Yaletown on a busy saturday night.
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see no problem there if he actually lunged at the cops with the knife. think about these cops as being more than cops but mothers, fathers, etc. The guy's clearly asking for trouble and it's lucky he didn't hurt any cops or bystanders in that situation.
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I feel way safer walking down a dark street at midnight with 10k in my bag here in shanghai than I ever did walking empty handed back to my parked car in Yaletown on a busy saturday night.
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police bullets are not made to kill.
they're made to not penetrate flesh, therefore can't penetrate armor. the bullets mushroom out to make sure they don't penetrate through the body and hit somebody else, and that the full force of the bullet is exerted into your body, most probably knocking you down. depending on where you're hit, the shock wave from the bullet can rip through your organs and up your neck into your brain.

military bullets are made to penetrate personnel armor and kill.
they travel way faster, are sharp, penetrate armor, then tumble sideways becoming unstable at high speeds, and shattering in your body, like a mini grenade, trying to rupture as many vital organs and fuck your central nervous system up, and the largest part of the bullet exits the back of your body. you will most likely die relatively fast, or bleed to death.
Hmmmm....Interesting. I learned the opposite when I took ballistics training.
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The Hague Convention of 1899, Declaration III, prohibited the use in international warfare of bullets that easily expand or flatten in the body.[3] This is often incorrectly believed to be prohibited in the Geneva Conventions, but it significantly predates those conventions, and is in fact a continuance of the St. Petersburg Declaration of 1868, which banned exploding projectiles of less than 400 grams, as well as weapons designed to aggravate injured soldiers or make their death inevitable. NATO members do not use small arms ammunition that is prohibited by the Hague Convention.
Despite the ban on military use, hollow-point bullets are one of the most common types of civilian and police ammunition, due largely to the reduced risk of bystanders being hit by over-penetrating or ricocheted bullets, and the increased speed of incapacitation. In many jurisdictions, even ones such as the United Kingdom, where expanding ammunition is generally prohibited, it is illegal to hunt certain types of game with ammunition that does not expand.[4][5] Some target ranges forbid full metal jacket ammunition, due to its greater tendency to damage metal targets and backstops.[6]
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police bullets are not made to kill.
they're made to not penetrate flesh, therefore can't penetrate armor. the bullets mushroom out to make sure they don't penetrate through the body and hit somebody else, and that the full force of the bullet is exerted into your body, most probably knocking you down. depending on where you're hit, the shock wave from the bullet can rip through your organs and up your neck into your brain.

military bullets are made to penetrate personnel armor and kill.
they travel way faster, are sharp, penetrate armor, then tumble sideways becoming unstable at high speeds, and shattering in your body, like a mini grenade, trying to rupture as many vital organs and fuck your central nervous system up, and the largest part of the bullet exits the back of your body. you will most likely die relatively fast, or bleed to death.
Dafuq did I just read?

Based on this post I'm going to guess you don't even have your RPAL let alone any experience with different classes of firearms and ammunition. BRB sharpening my bullets so they travel faster and make a bigger brain impacting shockwave.
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is this making headline only because it happened in a touristy/busy area?

very easy to judge and say "trigger happy" from that shaky ass footage when numerous of cops had their guns drawn
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I never said he chased anyone, he charged at police with a knife when cornered.
Look at it this way, a criminal is riding a knife mounted bike on the street, rather then knock him over with a cop cruiser, you intentionally stand in front of him, shoot him dead and cry self defense. This is murder.
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Dafuq did I just read?

Based on this post I'm going to guess you don't even have your RPAL let alone any experience with different classes of firearms and ammunition. BRB sharpening my bullets so they travel faster and make a bigger brain impacting shockwave.
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Look at it this way, a criminal is riding a knife mounted bike on the street, rather then knock him over with a cop cruiser, you intentionally stand in front of him, shoot him dead and cry self defense. This is murder.
The police previously tried to subdue him with nonlethal means. Most police forces, especially the NYPD, are trained to aim for centre mass. Sure, it's easy to say "just aim for the knees!" but, trust me, it's a hell of a lot harder than it seems, especially when that suspect is running towards you with intention to harm.
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The police previously tried to subdue him with nonlethal means. Most police forces, especially the NYPD, are trained to aim for centre mass. Sure, it's easy to say "just aim for the knees!" but, trust me, it's a hell of a lot harder than it seems, especially when that suspect is running towards you with intention to harm.
Like the previous quote said, Annie Oakley does not exist... neither do any of Clint Eastwood's characters. You shoot for the knee and miss, there's no telling where that bullet will go once it hits the sidewalk, or a light pole, or a park bench, or whatever it hits next.
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especially when that suspect is running towards you with intention to harm.
They confined his free movement on purpose to shoot him many times dead, thats the plain simple truth.
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If I was a cop and had a crazed man charge me and my co-workers with a knife, I'd shoot him too.
Well that's the other part of it: you'd do that to protect your co-workers... and so would every other cop there. You have a even half-dozen cops around, they see the guy lunge at one of their comrades... they're not going to just sit back and wait for someone else to fire first. Each one only needs to squeeze off a couple rounds, and the guy is swiss cheese. 10 or 11 shots is minimal if you consider this.
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They confined his free movement on purpose to shoot him many times dead, thats the plain simple truth.
No, they confined his movements in order to make sure he had nowhere else to go because witness reports state that he was taking random swings at people. The purpose of doing so is to show that the suspect has nowhere else to go and should surrender.

Murder would have been the police officer getting out of his car and shooting him without any warnings or attempting to use nonlethal force. The suspect stood up to several rounds of pepper spray, and the officers gave him ample time to surrender. The fact that they allowed this guy to wander several streets before they took the shot amplifies this fact.



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I would have officers be a block ahead of this possible movements and only a small number tailing him, in civilian uniform (undercover) if possible.
(I wouldnt care if the cities traffic would have to come to a stop for a while, a human life is worth more then the surrounding people skipping lunch or arriving to their appointments on time)
If talking doesnt work I would then order bean bag or plastic bullet guns to be deployed on him, eventually bruising him so much from a distance that he'd tire out and give up from pain.

The damage those bullets do, they can even knock a man out (or kill) if shot to the head.
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The purpose of doing so is to show that the suspect has nowhere else to go and should surrender.
A basic strategy to rid mentally handycap (since you dont challenge a knife to a gun fight) people from the country, nice.

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