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Old 01-21-2015, 07:33 PM   #1176
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The one thing no one seems to bring up about this deflating scandal is, What about the bals that the Colts used?

like did the NFL only grabbed the 12 pats balls? What about the colts? Were their balls also deflated? Seems like this story is soo overblown. Everyone is assuming pats are guilty before the facts are out.
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The one thing no one seems to bring up about this deflating scandal is, What about the bals that the Colts used?

like did the NFL only grabbed the 12 pats balls? What about the colts? Were their balls also deflated? Seems like this story is soo overblown. Everyone is assuming pats are guilty before the facts are out.
Obviously this doesn't mean that it's impossible that the Colts or any other team used deflated balls. But they probably didn't. The fact is, the Patriots did, and it was brought up after an interception and confirmed later that they were under-inflated by 2 psi. This was after they were warmed up too, so they would have been even more deflated during the game.

Someone dug up a player interview from an earlier game, and it was brought up in passing back then. After 2 interceptions, they noticed that Brady was using under-inflated balls.

This isn't a "huge deal" as in it won the game for them. However it's a big enough deal because they were cheating, probably against the Ravens and every other visiting team they played. A lot of which were close games (obviously the Ravens game, and the Jets game earlier which won them home advantage). They basically cheated enough to get into the Super Bowl, and it needs to be addressed.
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what i meant was for the AFC championship game, did the league collect the balls that the Colts were using too. If both teams have deflated balls, perhaps it can be blamed on the weather or some other unknown factors - or both were deflating it on purpose. But if they also compared the Colts balls and patriots balls from the same game and one team is different, than yes we have a real issue.

reports are out that its fairly common place for deflating to happen.

Insider Buzz: Deflating Footballs Is 'Commonplace' Around the NFL | Bleacher Report

disclaimer : im a seahawks fan, and my take on this is it isnt a big deal. yes its a concern but its way overblown and its taking attention away from the superbowl.

We dont know for sure if they cheated against the ravens or any other team. Ravens intercepted brady during that game too.
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what i meant was for the AFC championship game, did the league collect the balls that the Colts were using too. If both teams have deflated balls, perhaps it can be blamed on the weather or some other unknown factors - or both were deflating it on purpose. But if they also compared the Colts balls and patriots balls from the same game and one team is different, than yes we have a real issue.

reports are out that its fairly common place for deflating to happen.

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disclaimer : im a seahawks fan, and my take on this is it isnt a big deal. yes its a concern but its way overblown and its taking attention away from the superbowl.

We dont know for sure if they cheated against the ravens or any other team. Ravens intercepted brady during that game too.
Yes, the Colts balls were fine. It was that Patriots balls (11 of them) that were under-inflated.

It wasn't the weather, they were cheating. Like they often do

Nope, we don't know if they were cheating against the Ravens, or they only did it against the Colts (twice this season). Maybe they just didn't notice, or maybe they weren't cheating that game...
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Yes, the Colts balls were fine. It was that Patriots balls (11 of them) that were under-inflated.

It wasn't the weather, they were cheating. Like they often do

Nope, we don't know if they were cheating against the Ravens, or they only did it against the Colts (twice this season). Maybe they just didn't notice, or maybe they weren't cheating that game...
say they did cheated, what will happen? I dont think the league can even find proof of tempering.

It's impossible to prove anything. How do you know the refs properly inspected the balls? yea i know they mark them and all, but how do you know it was properly inspected and not just marked because the refs got lazy and didnt properly check it?
Maybe the balls were not properly inspected by the refs? for example, the refs didnt even know it was deflated until after the interception.

Unless they find clear evidence that someone tampered with the balls from the patriots organization, i dont think the league can do anything. The balls could be deflated without Bill even knowing about it.

However if they did find solid evidence, I think draft picks and maximum fine should be the penalty.
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they replaced the balls at half time so the balls didn't matter... They might of been the issue why the Pats didn't start blowing the game wide open until the second half
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^ i honestly think people are just haters of the patriots.

Honestly, I am very jealous of their organization, quality drafting, management, coaching, play selection. innovation (the eligible/ineligible linemens) etc

I actually think the pats might beat the seahawks and if that happens, i wont have sour grapes and I will congratulate you, because they deserved the win. and no it wasnt because of deflated balls or what not.
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deflated balls aside, lets talk real football.

i think weaknesses that the patriots have is their O-line protecting brady against a 4-man rush. the only time they lose big games is when the other team can bring pressure without blitzing.

Look at the giants superbowl wins, brady had no time and their receivers couldnt get open. same with the ravens game 2 years ago.

Not only do the seahawks have an awesome front 4, but their secondary is the best in the business. if the Pats WR cant get open, brady will be forced to take the sack or throw incompletions or picks.

I think wagner and the linemens are given too much credit and are beatable by the likes of gronk etc.
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deflated balls aside, lets talk real football.

i think weaknesses that the patriots have is their O-line protecting brady against a 4-man rush. the only time they lose big games is when the other team can bring pressure without blitzing.

Look at the giants superbowl wins, brady had no time and their receivers couldnt get open. same with the ravens game 2 years ago.

Not only do the seahawks have an awesome front 4, but their secondary is the best in the business. if the Pats WR cant get open, brady will be forced to take the sack or throw incompletions or picks.

I think wagner and the linemens are given too much credit and are beatable by the likes of gronk etc.
If you are discussing gameplans against the Seahawks, the Patriots coaching staff will keep the Seattle D guessing with their trick plays, no huddle offense, and the running game.

New England's offence is not all about Brady. Their RB LeGarrette Blount is a big guy who can run the ball. He's no Marshaun Lynch, but he's not a weak sauce running back.

The offensive strategy that the Patriots use can also be about changing the tempo of the game. - really think that they will use no huddle offence to push the pace and wear down Seattle.

As for trick plays, Edelmann can certainly pass the ball even though he's a wide receiver. His QB experience at Kent State was in display during the Ravens game when he threw for a touchdown.
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However if they did find solid evidence, I think draft picks and maximum fine should be the penalty.
This, if anything, is all it would be. More likely it'll be added to the list of "can't prove anything " cheats that the Pats have gained over the years.
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We dont know for sure if they cheated against the ravens or any other team. Ravens intercepted brady during that game too.
As it turns out, it was the Ravens who told the Colts to look out for it...

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If you are discussing gameplans against the Seahawks, the Patriots coaching staff will keep the Seattle D guessing with their trick plays, no huddle offense, and the running game.
Green Bay tried a "trick play" late in the game by putting in only three rushers with the Hawks pinned back at third and a mile... and that didn't really work out so well for them, did it?

That's the thing with trick plays - gotta be careful you don't trick yourself!
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Just a heads up or anyone who hasn't yet placed bets.

Bet Back Bonus on first or last touchdown is for any successful coach challenge in the game.

Lynch is 7.25:1 - the most favored player to score first and last in the game.

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Using Current Odds right Now I have a few ones I'm betting on.

Total Passing Yards Brady 260.5 UNDER even right now (I think they run the ball more with Blount then risk throwing it to the Secondary).

Total Rushing Yards Blount 62.4 OVER for -115 (Rely on the running game to chew up clock and avoid throwing it to the LOB)

Will Russell Wilson (SEA) score a Rushing TD in the game YES +200 (Hawks receivers are average at best Kearse, Baldwin they were locked up during most of the game against the Packers and with Revis and Browner on the other side for the Patriots I think they'll use more read option.

Total Receptions - Luke Willson (SEA) 2.5 OVER -135 (With the receivers having a hard time getting open I think Russell will look to throw it more towards Luke especially on check downs as a security blanket.

TOTAL POINTS SCORED 48.5 UNDER -115 (Both pass defences are in the top 5 in the NFL, I'm expecting a low scoring game 24-21. Revis and Browner for the Patriots should stifle Baldwin and Kearse, I'm worried about Shermans elbow and Thomas III shoulder without those two Brady is going to put up points

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I'm really thinking about putting down $50 for Blount to win the MVP. He has some pretty decent odds.
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I'm stealing this bet... Cause that's a great one I never saw.
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I'm worried about is if Blount gets injured early on the game or if he fumbles or is ineffective and Belichick pulls him for Jonas Gray or Vereen wouldn't surprise me.
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I'm really thinking about putting down $50 for Blount to win the MVP. He has some pretty decent odds.
Last time a RB won the SB MVP was 1998. Even then I think Marshawn Lynch has a higher chance to win MVP compared to Blount, gets more carries bigger name more recognizable. If the Seattle pulls out the win I think it'll have more to do with Marshawn ( No star/stud receiver it'll lesson the chances of Wilson winning it too) then say if NE pulls the win Brady will get more credit than Blount. With how good both teams pass defence, I don't see either QB having an MVP type stat game.

Marshawn Lynch 4/1
Rob Gronkowski 9/1

TE has never won the SB MVP but I think Gronkowski has a shot, I think Gronk has a good shot against Chancellor and a banged up Thomas.
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I think they will double cover Gronk since they will be so worried about him which will leave room open for the other wideout's. All I know is I'm very excited and can't wait until the smack talking is over and we get to see the talk on the field.

I'm very curious how media day will go for Lynch tomorrow.
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I think they will double cover Gronk since they will be so worried about him which will leave room open for the other wideout's. All I know is I'm very excited and can't wait until the smack talking is over and we get to see the talk on the field.

I'm very curious how media day will go for Lynch tomorrow.

+1. The Patriots will let their performance on the field do the talking on Sunday. -getting so tired of the media focussing some of their questions on "Deflategate".

Everything is left on the field on Sunday.

In fact, this "deflategate" can give the Patriots a little extra motivation, that turbo boost heading into the game. Prove to the haters who's boss.

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Media day is great lol

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Yeah they threatened him with a $500K fine if he doesn't show up

They also said if he ever touches his crotch, it'll be a 15 yard penalty

He was the most fined player last year, all for innocuous things like not talking at interviews, or grabbing his crotch. This league is so retarded sometimes.
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