To the people who failed me on my previous post, visit Japan. I've never had better service in my life (from a ramen shop to a Kobe steak dinner) and didn't tip a dime. People are genuinely happy to help and make your dining experience memorable.

Unlike here. You go to a swanky steak place, get mediocre service, then the server has the nerve to roll her eyes at you when she sees the "measly" 5% tip print out from the credit card machine.

Bingo.

How much money you think a busy restaurant like Cactus makes a night? Yet they still pay their servers min wage or a tiny bit above min wage.

15% on a $25 meal at a lower end restaurant, that's $3.75
15% on a $150 meal at a high end restaurant, that's $22.50

Now, did the 2 waiters do anything fundamentally different to warrant such a difference in tip amounts?

Tipping is a societal tax.

Worked at mcdicks before, worked at a restaurant before, owned a restaurant and yes, tipping is bs. I was glad to serve and provide customer service, but never expected tipping as mandatory. Hell, I was just glad I had a p/t job while in school.

came in this thread mostly to confirm reservoir dogs clip was posted.

left satisfied.

http://i.imgur.com/uLj0u.gif

fuck no! I hate it when I go to pick up an order at some restaurants, hand them my money and they fuckin throw my change back on the tip plate when im literally standing face to face. Just hand me my damn toonie dumb bitch! Makes it so damn awkward for them when i just dump all the change in my hand and walk out. Now I just try to pay with debit, save me the trouble

At the very least, 10% in a restaurant.
I never tip for take out.

after reading this thread i am now considering if i should even tip when sitting down to eat...

Stupid social constructs that make me feel guilty, even when leaving a 10% tip i feel a little guilty.

Fuck tipping, now im going to be more critical you guys made some killer points.

:lawl:
I came in with the same mentality,
except I was surprised to see it wasn't posted within the first Page.
Left satisfied after posting it.

never

There are some cheap bastards on RS. I can understand low/no tips if the service is shit, and for takeout, but if you have that big of a problem with tipping, you should stay home to eat.

^
You work in the industry.

Maybe you could enlighten us with what you expect or how it "should" be. Please and thank you.

well i remember a previous thread about tipping,

The main point to me in this thread that stands out is that they are getting paid to do a job that they all know in the job description so why tip? Hair dressers I always tip but why?! I hear people tipping their mechanics too... Now I dont wanna tip anyone, not even about being cheap but why support a flawed system

I don't serve, but traditionally good service is 15%. Servers usually tip out about 4-6% of their total sales to bartenders, hostesses, and cooks. Its funny how people thing servers roll home with like 300 bucks a night. It just doesn't happen. Occasionally, sure, but its not common. Again, I don't think if the service is shitty you should tip just because "you are supposed to tip" but tipping is the way its been, and should continue to be. Labour costs are the things that kill restaurants. Even with the garbage pay so many people get, labour costs usually sit around 40% food cost is about 25-30% and rent and fixed costs make up the rest. Profit is only around 3-4% in most places. If tipping stops, your favourite restaurant will likely be closed next time you try and go for dinner, or your favourite burger will be 28 bucks.

^ so why does it work in places like japan then?

the reason is cause tipping is simply not needed. there should be no 'incentive' for someone to give you a good service, because giving you good service is part of their job description.

if people don't like the pay that comes with serving, they're not going to go for those kind of jobs. therefore restaurants will be forced to increase their wages to attract workers.

the only party that has to gain from tipping is the restaurants themselves. the consumers lose because they have to be guilt tripped into paying extra for something they should be getting. and workers lose because they get paid less than they should from their employer.

Thanks for the explanation.

I understand where you're coming from but the thread has gone way above and over your head. It seems as if you are throwing everybody on Revscene into the same slop bucket, thinking everybody is a cheap skate. Nobody here is going to "stop tipping" simply because of a thread on Revscene. Tipping is ingrained in North American culture. You can't change such customs overnight. Personally, I think you're overreacting. Stop and think for a second and take into consideration the demographic on Revscene and the restaurants people are possibly thinking of.

It would be quite taboo if somebody called ahead to a restaurant like Bishop's and asked for a 3-course meal to go, show up, pay, and not leave tip.

No, I didn't mean that. I certainly don't think everyone is cheap due to a few people in 1 thread.

Its apples to oranges. The business plan would not even be close to the same as here. Different job market, different food costs, different everything. The business plan would be entirely different from the get-go.

you bet they did...have you seen the waitresses at cactus? :ifyouknow:




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Stolen from a tumblr:

"When the waitress at Cactus asks if I want anything else"
http://i.imgur.com/9leUo.gif

Sauce: When the waitress at Cactus Club asks if she can get me anything else.

need sauce now!

I dont understand why people now adays think your supposed to tip. Customers and servers alike assume tipping is mandatory....well its not.
Tipping is a wage supplement (for all employees of the establishment) based on the quality of product and service dont forget that. Eat in eat out it does not change anything. I tip on eat in places and eat out and only if the product and service is worthy. Unless theres booze noisy kids (mine) or a mess involved I never tip more than 10% pre tax and I round up to the nearest dollar from there.
When doin take out the first time round with an establishment I just round up to the nearest dollar. If it was good and up to standard for me to go back a second time then I'll tip up to 5%.

Friend had a Groupon for The Libra Room that was a 3 course meal for two. He got there with his gf around 7pm, and they they didn't even leave until 1030. Service was absolutely horrible and slow as shit. He got the bill and they had charged him a mandatory 17% tip. He asked the waiter about it and waiter said, "Yeah, we charge a 17% tip because you have a Groupon." There was no mention of a mandatory tip in the fine print of the Groupon.

Here's my question to all of you. Would you just pay this 'tip' considering you were just given absolutely dreadful service, or would you just pay the bill and leave your own tip?

i would pay the bill not leave a tip at all, when people ask for a specific % or $ of tip it really grinds my gears. If i put down 10 % its 10% for a reason, no worker is gonna tell me otherwise, and if they do im taking back my 10%



I dont get it, how is it that much different. If anything Japan has higher food costs? I mean thats what i found when i was there... fucking 10000 yen melons LOL

this is your solution

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0uqpy4mSz1qjrxbg.gif

Legally, the gratuity fees that are on restaurant bills are there "as a courtesy for the customers and the establishment", and can/must be removed when the customer asks them to.