My dad spent $50k on a roof for our farm's house before we sold it... really stupidly... it was $50k but he did a full metal roof for some fucked up reason on a place that's borderline condemnable and we weren't keeping. We were so pissed at him.

Was Mike Holmes his contractor? lol

I wouldn't doubt it, he never compares anything... that's what happens when you're rich and dgaf I guess.

These 50k for a roof on a regular house is out to lunch.

My parents did the roof on their 3500sq ft home for like 8k 4-5 years ago. It was a buddy guy company but their roof has many peaks and valleys and is fairly complicated.

Roofs are the type of thing though, you go with one company and it could be 40, another company could be 15. There is almost no value in these “warantiees” the larger well known companies provide and say that’s why it costs so much because a properly installed roof should never fail. And what’s the worse case scenario if it did? A few shingles?

The worst case scenario is your house leaks and there's water damage all over.

You think Penfolds is going to cut you a cheque for your damaged cabinets? Lol

They are just going to repair the leak like any other roofing company and tell you to call your insurance company.

Most roofs are extremely simple, if you have a gabled roof with no weird angles or flashing detail, the materials alone should be like 2-3k. A couple days of labour is worth 35k? Unlikely

That's totally built to code and as drawn but that's not how I'd do it if it was my home. Lets rip this perfectly fine whatever apart and redo it with the most expensive materials known to man that are pumped by some really good sales reps and offer no real value other than they are expensive, so much better.

The Mike Holmes way.

The weirdest part for the farmhouse or me was that when I was a little kid, I spent quite a bit of time with my dad up on the roof of that place helping him fix shingles and do repairs... so he's not a dummy about it, but for some reason he's like here take my $... just bizarre.

I'm so triggered right now... lol

Lifetime weird concrete concave shingle on this house. 30 years later we need a roof…. Where’s the company that sold it to us? lol.

Tesla solar roof? Do those still exist?

i'm going to have to check with my old man. maybe he gave me the cedar shakes replacement cost number.

I see a lot of houses in Calgary with solar panels on them when I do satellite view checking neighbourhoods out... wonder if it's worthwhile since it's much sunnier there and electricity costs are so $$$

My house in Calgary is literally vacant right now and everything except the refrigerator is turned off according to my realtor (I haven't been to it yet) and we still got a $45 bill for electricity for last month lol... painter left a light on when he did an estimate?!

You bout to learn about berta private utilities real quick. The electricity costs are cheap… its the distribution charges that get ya

Yah I spent a lot of time looking at comparison sites for like 60 different electricity providers... but really they're only re-selling a couple of companies, might as well sign on with 1 of them.

It's definitely going to be an adjustment.

Avoid Direct Energy!

I'm using Enmax. It's fine. My first bill was $48 and I bundled electricity and natural gas on fixed rate. Not too bad considering my gf likes to leave random lights on overnight :seriously:

It’s not viable in the lower mainland, you’ll never realize the gains to pay off the initial investment

I would not trust anyone but Penfolds or a similar big roofing company to do my roof.

The roof is one of those things that you need some sort of recourse if something f*cks up. Good luck calling that buddy guy back once you paid him.

People who are not experienced with trades do not understand the level of incompetence there is with these guys in the trades.

So my neighbour paid a bunch of gewilos to do his roof. Most were young kids who seem not very motivated. They also blasted loud ass skater music off the roof for 4 days straight and even put a hole in his roof where they accidentally stepped through a weak point and caused the popcorn ceiling to come down all over his bed.

They eventually coughed up money to pay for his new mattress but it was a headache to fight these guys.

40k!!!!! He thought by going with a reputable gewilo company, he would get good results. Nope. More or less the same shit work. He wasn’t pleased.

You think Penfolds hires the good crackheads? You only use Renewal by Andersen for your windows? lol

As I said, if it’s a complicated roof with lots of peaks and valleys that have serious flashing details, then you’re probably going with some kind of boutique company. If it’s a simple roof with a handful of vents, a person with literally zero experience could probably do it 75%. So it very much depends on the type of roof and how complex it is.

I find anyone who uses Penfolds or any contractor like this that is widely advertised tries to justify the cost by the name, whereas, like most things, you’re not getting a massive step up in quality for the additional cost.

Penfolds isn’t doing crazy roofs on the west side etc. it’s boutique companies you’ve never heard of where every person there is a competent craftsman

One of my clients works for Penfolds as just a regular roofer. He told me that they have some dummies working on the teams for sure. Where Penfolds sets themself apart is that they have a formal training process and procedures. So there's at least a formal standard they have in place and they are very compliant as they're a big company.

My client said even the most basic roofs have multiple complicated areas, it's not the basic areas you're worried about, it's those two or three complicated areas you need to pay attention to. You want to make sure those areas are done right, because that's where the issues will start.

Anyone can f*ck up anything, even the best guys, but it's the accountability you're paying for. In trades there are good guys, but there are much more shitty guys than the good guys. At least with big established companies you can go into their headquarters. With most trades, they work out of their truck. Good luck finding them or holding them accountable if you have a problem.

Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. I guess I've just lost enough times with trades to realize I rather pay more to get that accountability of the bigger companies.

Yea they seem to review well etc.

The problem is many people in trades like these don’t understand the material science when it comes to flashing details, overlaps, envelope, etc. which is why flat roofs fail so often. Lucky for me my own roof is as simple as it gets albeit incredibly steep so that’s always $$$

My parents buddy guy roof though is surrounded by tall trees and subject to lots of debris etc. and it’s been perfect since install, so it comes down to how much you’re willing to pay for the perceived piece of mind

My buddy guy roof is bound to have problems sooner or later. I’m thinking of adding those solar tiles afterwards since it’s got some solar connections roughed into the main utility area underneath the stairs.

Problem is I don’t know if 1) they last 2) will ever recuperate the cost given how little sun we get.

Seems to work great for mkhb on da YouTubes.

https://youtu.be/UJeSWbR6W04?si=0_KbIhSmJzVKBxA5

Went through a roof replacement process last year after the original shingle roof failed from poor craftsmanship causing water ingress. Got a few quotes of varying ranges (Buddy Guy, Penfolds etc.) and choosing the right company / team to do the work was uneasy since I don't have the technical aptitude or experience working with any of them.

Penfolds was on the shortlist due to their reputation / professionalism and presence working on other homes in the general area. Seeing completed projects in the neighbourhood and knowing there's a professional team for after-sales support helped during the evaluation process.

From going through this experience, I can understand why some people don't mind paying a premium for peace of mind and / or a more professional operation even if the craftsmanship ends up being similar.

iirc if you're going to add solar you want to do it right after having the roof done so the aging cycles line up. otherwise you have to pull it to do the roof, reinstall it, then pull it in a few years to replace it, etc.

how much would a tesla roof be over a regular roof?