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Old 10-09-2012, 11:10 PM   #1
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Chinese nationals brought in to work B.C. coal mines

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Not a fan of this as most of the Chinese workers will just save up all their money and send it back home. If we can get workers from other provinces ie. newfoundland and nova scotia (if they can be trained to work on Oil rigs, they can be trained to work coal mines). Rather have canadians working and keeping the money within Canada.
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^ I'm not sure if they still do this, but Heinz imports workers from Mexico in order to pay them minimum wage in Ontario.
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that's just wrong same with bringing in mexicans to farm

as long as there are people on welfare and living on the streets they shouldn't be allowed to

if they claim a lack of experience the companies should have to pay for training programs and then be allowed temporary foreign workers until locals are finished with training and yet in this case we'll be training the chinese workers... how does that make sense

its obvious, as noted, this is just a move to try and keep wages down

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Chinese nationals brought in to work B.C. coal mines


Not a fan of this as most of the Chinese workers will just save up all their money and send it back home. If we can get workers from other provinces ie. newfoundland and nova scotia (if they can be trained to work on Oil rigs, they can be trained to work coal mines). Rather have canadians working and keeping the money within Canada.
Of course there going to sent money back to the place they live and have family. You think people from out of province working in Alberta don't send monwy back?


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that's just wrong same with bringing in mexicans to farm

as long as there are people on welfare and living on the streets they shouldn't be allowed to
You think every one on welfare or on the want's to work or is capable of holding down a job?
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You think every one on welfare or on the want's to work or is capable of holding down a job?
well granted there are exceptions, as in everything to life, but you get my point :P
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well granted there are exceptions, as in everything to life, but you get my point :P
Wouldn't the exception be the people on welfare and living on the streets that are willing to work and are capable of keeping a job?

And I'm willing to bet most of RSers wouldn't be here if not for cheap chinese labour
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Wouldn't the exception be the people on welfare and living on the streets that are willing to work and are capable of keeping a job?

And I'm willing to bet most of RSers wouldn't be here if not for cheap chinese labour
Legally if a company applies to hire temporary workers, they cannot pay them less than they would pay a local worker. So the workers they are importing are not necessarily cheap. The government is also not stupid, they won't grant them the ability to hire abroad if there are people here willing to do the job.
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Of course there going to sent money back to the place they live and have family. You think people from out of province working in Alberta don't send monwy back?

Well, that money is still being spent/kept within Canada, which imo is still preferable than overseas.
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The government is also not stupid, they won't grant them the ability to hire abroad if there are people here willing to do the job.
Except if they're making exceptions just to build better relations with China in hopes that it will lead to something better; that may or may not happen but it doesn't take away that this is a bad deal for locals even more so if nothing else comes from it
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Legally if a company applies to hire temporary workers, they cannot pay them less than they would pay a local worker. So the workers they are importing are not necessarily cheap. The government is also not stupid, they won't grant them the ability to hire abroad if there are people here willing to do the job.
Legally, no.
But you have to consider it this way, they are hiring foreign workers because they have are more of a blank slate.
- they don't know how to fight for their rights
- they have less expectation of raises
- they are used to worse working conditions
- less socializing (oh, how are your kids, oh what party did you go to over the weekend)
- they are less trained when they arrive, and will pay them that amount. so no, they can't pay them less than a local, but they can pay somebody less who has less experience, but is trainable and turn build them into somebody better while cheaper than a local.


I think the big question we have to ask here is the ethics behind this....
- should the government be obligated to intervene or allow the free market to run it's course?
- does the company benefit?
- do the locals benefit?
- do the foreigners benefit?
- does the country benefit? (short and long term implications).
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Legally if a company applies to hire temporary workers, they cannot pay them less than they would pay a local worker. So the workers they are importing are not necessarily cheap. The government is also not stupid, they won't grant them the ability to hire abroad if there are people here willing to do the job.
The Chinese managers are not stupid either. They will charge the workers for passage, "visa fees", accomodation, food, etc, etc, at inflated rates so the workers end up making a little more than what they would in China. That's the only reason they are using Chinese workers. You need a couple of workers with specialized skills to operate the machinery and manage the process, not 1600 grunts.
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If this was really about hiring skilled miners, there are lots of countries that you can recruit from, some of which who can actually speak English and train Canadians. Why all from China?
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It's kind of ironic when you think about it...

They are importing Chinese workers to work in our coal mines.. and IIRC about 85-90% of the coal we mine goes to China..
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first thing that came to mind is that we hire foreign workers for our mines, but disallow foreign workers at our strip clubs
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well granted there are exceptions, as in everything to life, but you get my point :P

Know ones stopping them from getting a job on something like a blueberry farm.

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Well, that money is still being spent/kept within Canada, which imo is still preferable than overseas.
Thats because they live in Canada. Offer the Chinese Canadian citizenship if you want the money to stay here.
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I think its wrong but I also think buying shit produced over seas is no different.
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This must be the so called Canadian protectionist unionize everything attitude I've been hearing about. Way to think backwards.
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Is fine with me as long as after the contract is up they are not allow to stay in Canada under any reason. I bet a few will try to stay here though..........
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The reasons I think overseas outsourcing is justified are:

1. Low cost of manufacturing means low cost of consumer products. An iPhone cost $8 in labor. It would probably cost $200+ in labor if made in the US. If you're not willing to pay $1500 for your iPhone 5, then quit bitching about how it's made in China.

2. No one is willing to do these jobs for the money or even minimum wage.

I see this as almost the same idea. If BC residents are willing to do the work at the wages offered, then great...give them the jobs but if they're not, outsourcing is fine by me.

However, I don't think this should be "entry level citizenship".
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bc = china,

get with the program, they are invading
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The reasons I think overseas outsourcing is justified are:

1. Low cost of manufacturing means low cost of consumer products. An iPhone cost $8 in labor. It would probably cost $200+ in labor if made in the US. If you're not willing to pay $1500 for your iPhone 5, then quit bitching about how it's made in China.

2. No one is willing to do these jobs for the money or even minimum wage.

I see this as almost the same idea. If BC residents are willing to do the work at the wages offered, then great...give them the jobs but if they're not, outsourcing is fine by me.

However, I don't think this should be "entry level citizenship".

Your theory is based entirely on you believing that any cost savings measures are passed onto the consumer. They simply are not. I can't think of a single product that got cheaper because they moved manufacturing from North America to China... the only thing that changed was the company's profit margin.

No one is willing to do the jobs here for that money because you can't build a life here on that money... if you want to turn the country into a place that only produces work for people in college who just need a part time job or people from out of country that are willing to live in some craphole up North freezing their nuts off sleeping in bunk bed camps just because it's more money than they could make back in their own country so they're willing to do it to send that money back home to family...... I think that's pretty asinine and destructive to community building in Canada.
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