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Old 02-27-2013, 09:00 AM   #1
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Cycling advocates in the Greater Vancouver area say it may be time to look at allowing rolling stops for people riding bicycles into traffic intersections.

According to Erin O’Mellin, a spokeswoman for HUB, an advocacy cycling group in the Greater Vancouver area, Idaho is an American state that allows cyclists to execute rolling stops when pulling up to an intersection stop sign.

She says by allowing cyclists in Idaho to legally roll through stop signs has not caused more accidents.

“The issue does come up time to time and we point out rolling stops have shown to be quite effective in Idaho,” said O’Mellin.

She said the idea is to allow the cyclist enough leeway to slow down but not come to a full stop.

“It is not that the cyclist can just blow through a stop sign,” she said on Tuesday.

LIKE A YIELD SIGN

O’Mellin feels the time is coming for legislators to look at allowing cyclists to obey the stop sign much like a yield sign.

“You would still have to look and yield the right of way — it would be just not a full stop,” she said.

NO EXTRA ACCIDENTS IN IDAHO

In Idaho, O’Mellin said there is no indication the rolling stop sign traffic law has caused havoc on the roads.

Rolling stops have been allowed in Idaho for 30 years.

“They found no increase in collisions or safety concerns,” she said.

ROLLING STOPS SAFER FOR CYCLISTS

Allowing cyclists rolling stops may not be popular with drivers, points out O’Mellin.

By allowing cyclists to simply slow down, they can keep their balance while maintaining a rolling stop, which can be safer she points out.

Changes in B.C. would have to be made to the Motor Vehicle Act.

Cyclists now by law are to make a full stop at traffic sign just like vehicles.

Other states in the U.S. are considering passage of a law that would allow bicycle riders to treat stop signs as yield signs.

These “rolling stops” would allow bike riders to preserve some of the momentum they need for efficient travel.

SENIORS WORRIED

Gladys Hawley, 90, is the co-ordinator of the Semiahmoo Mall Walking Club. She worries about cyclists hitting pedestrians if the law is changed.

“I think it will put pedestrians at risk,” she said. “The cyclists hardly stop now.

“Our cities aren’t geared for this. The cyclists get on their bikes and could care less.”

And while some cyclists would like to see the rolling stop, walkers and vehicle drivers panned the plan.

DRIVERS UNHAPPY

In Facebook postings, residents living in the Greater Vancouver area questioned the proposal of a rolling stop for cyclists.

Tim Weeks wrote: “Cyclists for some reason think they don’t have to obey road rules.”

Zondac Gibson wrote: “As long as they don’t put the responsibility for the extra accidents on the drivers, then fine.”

Norm R. Key wonders if it is going too far. “Cyclists presently have to follow car rules or pedestrian rules. Adding another set of rules? What could possibly go wrong.?

Josh Hall called it “an accident waiting to happen.”

Romeo Thom noted: “Sure I approve it. I could use the entertainment watching cyclists get hit and starfishing through the air.”

Shannon Luchies writes that pedestrians may be hit if there are changes for cyclists. “or for that matter running into pedestrians who think the cyclists are supposed to stop.”

Jeanna Gale, an elderly woman writes about her narrow misses with people on bicycles. “I’ve been almost hit when I was crossing at a crosswalk. I walk with a cane and none of the cyclists would stop from the flashing lights at the cross walk.”

Commuter Maddie Lawson posted:”Why should they be able to do this? If I’m driving my car and did this I’d get a ticket.... so NO.”
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Anyone else besides me think our leniency towards cyclists rules getting a bit out of hand these days? This just sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. I think some cyclists take our roads and rules for granted.

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This is stupid. Plain and simple.

If they want to do this, I say we put rules in place calling for MANDATORY cyclist insurance. So when they roll the stop and hit my car because they aren't paying attention, they are held accountable.

It's like they think they are gods greatest gift.
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i can foresee a car obeying the stop sign, move forward, and a biker that didn't slow down or stop barrels through and gets hit

in vancouver i think it's going to be chaos
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LOL start paying for insurance like all cars then start talking.
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This is stupid. Plain and simple.

If they want to do this, I say we put rules in place calling for MANDATORY cyclist insurance. So when they roll the stop and hit my car because they aren't paying attention, they are held accountable.

It's like they think they are gods greatest gift.
If they want to reg. and insure, and be subject to the same fines/rules as cars, go for it.

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By allowing cyclists to simply slow down, they can keep their balance while maintaining a rolling stop, which can be safer she points out.
By this logic, it should also apply to motorcyclists. A 500lb+ MC is a lot harder to balance than a 30lb bike, right?
AND MC riders actually PAY to use the road.
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Allowing cyclists rolling stops may not be popular with drivers, points out O’Mellin.

By allowing cyclists to simply slow down, they can keep their balance while maintaining a rolling stop, which can be safer she points out.
if they cant keep their balance while slowing down...they shouldnt be fucking riding in the first place.

cyclist's piss me off...they're the reason why i stop as close to the curb as i can so they cant pass me at a red light. if i have to wait for the light to go green, im going out of my way to make you wait as well...lane sharing pricks, run the red light, get hit by a car, then sue the driver for not being cautious and not seeing him...
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if they cant keep their balance while slowing down...they shouldnt be fucking riding in the first place.

cyclist's piss me off...they're the reason why i stop as close to the curb as i can so they cant pass me at a red light. if i have to wait for the light to go green, im going out of my way to make you wait as well...lane sharing pricks, run the red light, get hit by a car, then sue the driver for not being cautious and not seeing him...
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When the fuck did a cyclist ever actually stop at a stop sign in the first place?
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Fuck this, it already takes everything I have to not mow these bastards down with a car.
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cyclists are already ignoring stop signs, 4-way stops and how to properly proceed in a round-a-bout as it is.
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As an occasional cyclist who rides his bike for leisure purposes, I can say that this is probably the silliest idea I've ever heard. I'm pretty sure I'd either be run over or slammed into if I ever failed to stop at a stop sign.
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Getting tired of hearing how hard cyclists have it. Like others have said, if you can't balance your bike, or have a hard time starting from a stop, then you shouldn't be riding a fucking bike.
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like everyone stated.. stupid.. they do rolling stop and cause an accident or gets injuryed, who are they doing to blame.. not themselves, obviously...

If we share the lanes with bicycles, they should obey traffic signs/lights...
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Is comparing Idaho to Vancouver even a valid comparison?!

Let me guess - Mayor Robertson will support this change...
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To think that money was spent to lobby these stupid shits. "Can't balance"???? The fuck I don't even....
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If they want to reg. and insure, and be subject to the same fines/rules as cars, go for it.


By this logic, it should also apply to motorcyclists. A 500lb+ MC is a lot harder to balance than a 30lb bike, right?
AND MC riders actually PAY to use the road.
LOL, first thing I thought about. If I can balance my motorcycle at a light with no fucking effort one should be able to do it with a bicycle.
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In my area cyclists routinely blow stop signs and nearly clip pedestrians who have the right of way. All this does is make it harder to hold the cyclist accountable when this happens.
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So much wrong with this suggestion, but honestly do cyclists actually obey most traffic laws in the first place? Not the ones I often encounter.

As I have said before, many cyclists love to scream “WE ARE TAFFIC TOO!” and “SHARE THE ROAD!”, but they don’t actually seem to understand what “share the road” or being traffic means.

The problem is many cyclists just don’t seem to get that being traffic means you obey the traffic laws.

If Police started enforcing the traffic laws even to cyclists, and cyclists had to pay a small insurance fee on bikes and have them plated for identification, this would help them be safer on the roads, and hold them accountable. Both of these are currently missing from our “lets let the bikists do whatever they want” model.

Before the ”pro everything bike movement and if you say anything against bikes you fail” crowd chime in let me clarify I actually think the more cyclists the better, especially for automotive enthusiasts. The more people riding bikes, the less gas is used world, and the less pollution made. This means I have lower gas prices for longer, and hopefully more leniency to do what I want to a car as air quality improves. I feel the same way about City and electric cars, automotive enthusiasts should be supporting them as much as possible. However with cyclists, we have to look at proper infrastructure, policing, insurance, and right of way solutions for Vancouver. Vancouver was not built with the idea of cyclists having a major part of road, simply putting in some barriers and calling it a day will not work and is dangerous for both bike riders and the rest of the public.
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Haha. At the same time I can't remember the last time I saw a car fully stop at a stop sign.
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I drive & bike and am dismayed at the cycling scofflaws I see daily.

I am convinced the VPD has this low on the priority list, it's becoming a free for all.

The thinking appears to be that as the precious cyclists are unwilling to obey the law then change the law, what a load of bullshit!


I vote nay.




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I am trying to be as narrow-minded as I possibly can to see this through the advocates point of view but all I end up seeing is how this is going to make things much more dangerous for everyone on the road. Traffic calamities is bad enough without factoring in cyclists and pedestrians.
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