You need to understand that I am not necessarily talking about this specific situation.

Also, I wasn't aware that only drunk chicks are raped. Using the numbers in this care 4:1. Yeah...if they wanted to rape her....they would.

And yes, I am opinionated. As is everyone else who posts on RS threads. Isn't that the point of these forums?

next time i see you at the bar imma beat the shit outta you.

sorry cant be helped, im drunk and outta control you put yourself in a bad place

And I'm going to tell you all now...if you are in a questionable scenario, as a guy where you think she's a little too drunk, or might change her mind or any other questionable scenario where the next day, you think you had great sex and she might think she was raped.

WALK THE FUCK AWAY.

You are not your dick. You can be better than a walking, talking hormone looking to fuck anything that moves. Have some respect, if not for them, then at least for yourself.

i didnt say rape didnt happen, or rape was good, or every girl better wear a chastity belt so evil men cant hurt them... fml, but in this case she did play a roll, a roll that put her in a bad situation, and that bad situation was taken advantage of by bad people...

and of course everyone shares an opinion, but some people are "always right" and "everyone is wrong"

please relate that to my post... because that shit makes no sense

You're an idiot then. That's MY opinion. :)

What he said directly correlates to what you said.

as I would, but like i posted, people suck, there is plenty of bad people that do bad things, so there are always positions where we are more vulnerable, im not sure where any of you guys read that i said it was all her fault, she put herself in a bad position that all

no, you are an idiot, if i walked up wasted and i couldnt control my mouth and i was mouthing people off, then yes, i have then put myself in a position where something bad can happen to me, and chances of something bad happening to me are much higher.. that would make more sense, and in that case, i would partially be at fault, even if i was assaulted, if i had decided to keep more control of myself, i would have walked out of that bar, before anything could have happened

Yeah man....her "roll" was being the victim of a rape.

And, a lil info about dino: There have been situations IRL and on RS where I have come across as possibly being over-opinionated, I admit it. Everyone has a character flaw or two that they should work on and I am certainly not immune to it. However, there are some very strong opinions in life that I hold...and this, my friend, is one of them. It is unfortunate to say, but I think your opinion is wrong and mine is right. Don't take it personally...I don't know you and I do not judge you. I am sure you are a great guy and have some hundreds of great qualities, but I whole-heartily think your opinion is wrong.

I agree with you about the control part. To be fair, I would say there were wrongs done on both the girl's and the boys' parts. In addition, without the truth from the situation, it's all allegations until the boys confess - which may not ever happen.

Sex is everywhere - TV, movie, ads, porn, etc. I have seen so many variations of this line in movies, "you just have to get her drunk and then it's smooth sailing/you're good/bow chika wow wow." <--- Now, that's gotta do something to the average teenage boy's mind, and it's fucked up. Therefore, the guys could have been influenced not only by their desire to fuck, but by the warped aforementioned stigma.

I feel bad for the girl, but I would have hoped she would have been smarter about the situation. Once again, we don't know how close these 6 people were to each other. However, if there were 4 guys 2 girls and I was one of the girls, I would have been extremely cautious about the situation.

Despite whatever possible views one could have on this situation, the girl still committed suicide. But for what reason? She was bullied to the point where she felt her life was worthless.

Why was she bullied? Think about it this way. If the sex with 4 guys was consensual, I don't think she would give two fucks if pictures were sent around. She would continue to sleep around with more and more guys. The fact that she killed herself shows me that this was not a positive experience. With that in mind, my opinion leans strongly towards this situation being rape.

Someone posted about suggesting girls travel in packs - yes, definitely especially when it's dark. Most guys these days out on the street at night are scum when combined with alcohol. Even without alcohol, a lot of them are still scum, just more inhibition.

The four guys shouldn't be let off easily since that just condones more of this behaviour. It's pathetic to see such ape-like behaviour since we should be a more intellectual species. Sadly, this is everywhere, even in the safest neighbourhoods of west-side Vancouver (I bullshit you not).

But dude...what we're trying to say is if you put that blame on her, it takes it away from the puny little fucks that took advantage!

This is where I say, I NEED you guys to understand this.

I can say that about ANY situation. Yeah, a girl that goes walking alone in a park late at night is taking a higher risk of danger. I grant you that.

BUT, if she gets mugged, or raped or murdered, we DON'T say, "well she had it coming to her" we blame the bad guys!

.

but here is the thing! i agree with you! she didnt have rape coming to her, no girl should, no one should get murdered, bad things should never happen in life, all im saying is that she being as young as she is was already doing things a parent would be angry about, and for good reason.

PEOPLE WHO RAPE SHOULD HAVE THEIR DICKS CHOPPED, i dont agree with it or anything, im just saying in this case, there were things that could have prevented it.

i wouldnt want my daughter out drinking at such a young age, or surrounding herself with boys and stuff for this exact reason, cuz some people are bad and do bad things. not that she should expect being raped, but because she put herself in a position with little control.

i think you guys are living in a dream world if you think teenage boys in a drunk situation with a girl wont gravitate to sexual activities 9/10 times.
the 1/10 times that they dont, is because they're acting out of fear, but it is still in their mind. they still want to do it.
you cannot blame kids (especially male, teenagers), for billions of years of programming.


i would be willing to go all in every single time, that in the future (and the past), that men will always take the risk of rape over walking away. every single time.
and i bet i'd come out a billionaire.
no matter how much teaching, or even if you beat the kids. the side of the male that seeks sexual gratification, will always over power anything else.


north americans, especially americans, are so sex deprived and sex starved, that even in prison, they're willing to fuck other MEN, when both parties are straight, to satisfy that lust that's programmed into the CORE of why we exist.


i guarantee you, you take that away, and we'll go on murderous rampages.
im not saying it's OKAY... but im just saying it's going to happen no matter what. no matter what education or punishments you have.
guys will fuck. and nothing will stop them from doing it. they'll kill if they have to.
scorpions gonna sting, sharks gonna eat, men gonna fuck.

you can't stop it.


if i were 15, and there was a girl drunk, and we're all drunk and she seems to be open to getting it on. my mind would be blinded. i wouldnt care about anything except getting my share of her. cop a feel, stick the tip in, whatever. anything. my mind would ignore all consequences, i would do what i was programmed to do.

i would have sex, or at the very least cheer my buddy on (what male doesn't cheer his buddy on for ... getting it on?) ... even if it means punishment or death.


males exist for only 1 reason. to fuck. you can't take that away from us. you can implement rules and enforce rules. but they forget what we're 2nd best at. fucking shit up. war.
we will start wars, and kill countless, to fuck.


all around you, you see technological advances. roads to get places faster, buildings to utilize space. computers to compute.
all those things were invented, for power, so we could fuck.


yeah it's "rape". perhaps it went from legit sex, to over excited teens, to taking pics and doing drunk things, which turned into "rape".
but what do you expect lol.
you take a meal away from a lion half way done, they're gonna bite you.
we're animals.


offtopic but, here is a diagram of what men do. and if you think we're gonna do any different... HAHA yeah fuckin right.
we fuck. if we can't fuck, we'll kill. and rape.



the boys might get convicted of some crime, but that's not my point. you can give them any punishment.
it will not change the future. other men will fuck. you can't stop it.
it's also why prostitution exists, and is the oldest profession, where men and women swap what they want most in life. sex for security, security for sex.
sex is like drugs. you can't take it away. you can't control it. if u tell ppl not to do it a certain way, they're just gonna become more creative and become more deceptive.

men are sex/war incarnate. all men are. everything you do leads to one of those two. achieving it is different. the better you are at your job, the further you go into one of those two.

wow. must suck to have no self-control and no moral or ethical compass. i fear for those around you.

you are speaking on behalf of the entire human race.

any self control you see on this planet is artificial, just a fad. all moral and ethical compasses are illusionary. ideals.

at the most basic level, we are still animals. our existence depend on these core principles. you are a fool and totally ignorant to how humans work to believe one would give those up for some stupid morals and ethics. especially 15 year olds. drunk 15 year olds. with pussy dangling IN FRONT of them.

if you aren't raping people around you, you're raping people from other countries in the form of war. pick one or the other. there's no in between. anything in between is supporting one or the other.


self control huh?
a fine example is yourself. you know when you should keep your mouth shut and keep your opinions to yourself. but you don't do it regardless.

it must suck to have no self control huh.




you mistaken people that are morally straight for something else. they are morally straight because they act on fear. not righteousness. FEAR controls their actions. they are fearful of the consequences. not the actions they are about to partake in.

people that have no "morals" are people with no fear.

I don't agree with what he's saying but the way you put it makes perfect sense. Women DO have to watch out for themselves. I'm not saying it's right to be expected to get raped when you are alone with 4 other drunk male friends....but you need to put it into context. At the age of 15 your male friends probably aren't thinking with their head and instead of their dick when they are intoxicated. They are at their testosterone spiking prime.

Actually, I think we would say that.. If someone was willingly out walking late at night in a sketchy part of town, they never asked to be mugged, they didn't deserve to be mugged, but they certainly put themselves at a higher risk, possibly even to the point of, 'they had it coming'.

The other assumption that you and dino seem to be operating from is that people are mostly good. The point Ulic raises is.. why would you assume that?

If a teenage boy can get away with raping a drunk girl, who are you to say that he can't? I understand that sounds harsh, but really, what is stopping him?

Are you going to tell him 'do as to others as you would have them do unto you'? He probably doesn't believe in that.
Are you going to come from the attitude of human rights? Where are you getting those rights from?
There are just too many other philosophical questions that would stumble your position.

Our current culture is hardly based on imparting good morals... so how can you expect that from a drunk teenage boy with a half naked girl in front of him?

And don't brand me as a rapist supporter, we all know that snails and I would never support a rapist, and that they probably deserve capital punishment (but lets not open that can of worms). However, with the type of naturalistic, relativistic, possibly nihilistic philosophy common in post-modernity, I'm hardly surprised when something like this happens.

dude, yes.
it is exactly how it is.
rape can happen at any time. and it does happen at any time.


countless endless examples from the past, and many more to come in the future.

why do you think fathers are so protective of their daughters?


they know how men think, because they are men themselves. they know how they think, and they are fearful of other men.





for all of you that disagree, all i have to do is provide this one example:
considering all ppl in this experiment are "normal" people.

put 4 random drunk male teens with 1 random drunk female teen at a party in a private setting.

you can reset this infinite amount of times.


if you bet that sexual activity will happen more often than not. then you are agreeing with me.

And, it appears that you are speaking for the entire male gender.



The incoherent dribble that you puke out here on a daily basis is flaccid. Your analysis of every situation results in the same argument every time and it is tiring. You appear to lack the ability to raise your argument to a more complex level and engage in an intelligent debate because you use your 'fear' theory in all situations. It is the most basic approach. Of course fear of consequences controls everyone actions. Fear is one of the most fundamental emotional dictators of behaviour. This shit ain't new. You can't keep responding to these threads with the exact same pseudo-philosophical rhetoric and expect someone to "keep" their "mouth shut".

Self-control is not artificial, it is biological.

I think most of the western worlds degenerate tendencies steams from "monkey see, monkey do" influences originating from a fucked up "free speech" media.
It probably does take a "village" to raise a proper kid... but with both parents working most of the time, television becomes the number one parents for most of us growing up... now couple all that with easily accessible drugs and alcohol, a forcible rape happens every 5 minutes in the states, every 17m in Canada.

Do you lock your house doors?
No one deserves to get robbed, or beaten-up/murdered in their house. Yet I don't know anyone that doesn't take the necessary precautions.

Do you lock your car doors?

Do you know any businesses that don't lock up or have a security system?

Is it right that we have to watch for people who might do bad things to us? Hell no, but you'd be foolish as fuck to think otherwise.

You can have fun without getting pissed drunk with a bunch of guys you know.
Oh, but she's just a teenager and teenagers make bad choices right? That's fine.
But if a MALE teenager gets drunk, misreads a drunk female teenager's cues, and engages in a sexual act, it's rape.

Am I saying rape is ok?
Fuck no.


But we, as a society, shouldn't just jump onto one side all the time.

No one here knows the facts.

-were the boys drunk?
-how drunk was the girl? because there have been hundreds of times where I or friends have puked without being past the point of drunkness where we couldn't make decisions. eating too much, moving around too much, etc can do that to you when you're drinking.

How do you know it was rape, and not a girl telling her mom it was rape to cover-up her bad decision?
The way our culture is, to be known as "sexually loose" could be social suicide, so why not say rape, since rape claims carry no consequences.

The dads response

Rehtaeh Parsons was my daughter | The Chronicle Herald

it's very sad you can really feel his pain from that

I was wondering why I hadn't heard from the father I guess the man sitting next to the mother in one of the interviews wasn't her father as he seemed indifferent


edit: yep, not the same guy, i assume the parents are split up then?

ulic's posts are brutally honest