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Old 04-10-2013, 03:42 AM   #1
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Teen killed herself after alleged sexual assault no charges Halifax

I wonder how long before we find out the the rapists were. I bet those idiots are still on facebook.

Canadian teen commits suicide after alleged rape, bullying - CNN.com



Ottawa, Canada (CNN) -- A Canadian teenager, who was allegedly gang-raped and bullied, has died, her family said.

Rehtaeh Parsons, 17, was hospitalized after she tried to hang herself Thursday. The high school student from Halifax, Nova Scotia, was taken off life support Sunday.

The teen was bullied for more than a year after the alleged sexual assault in November 2011 when she was 15, her family said.

In addition to the sexual assault, a photo taken during the incident was circulated to friends via text and online, and she developed suicidal thoughts as a result, according to her family.

How to talk to your son about rape

She struggled emotionally, especially after a police investigation ended without criminal charges, her mother, Leah Parsons, wrote on her Facebook tribute page.

"Rehtaeh is gone today because of the four boys that thought that raping a 15-year-old girl was OK and to distribute a photo to ruin her spirit and reputation would be fun," her mother wrote. "All the bullying and messaging and harassment that never let up are also to blame. Lastly, the justice system failed her. Those are the people that took the life of my beautiful girl."

How to help young rape victims

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police said charges will not be filed.

"An investigation was conducted into the alleged sexual assault," said Cpl. Scott MacRae, a spokesman for the police. "In consultation with the crown, the decision was made that there was insufficient evidence to proceed with charges."

Healing process after rape never ends

Authorities confirmed that a photograph allegedly showing Parsons having sex with one of the boys was circulated to friends' mobile phones and computers.

Disseminating such a picture even if the sexual encounter was consensual is considered child pornography. However, police said, they did not have enough evidence to bring charges.

"There are factors in determining other than the picture itself; ages, who sent the material, computers, so it's complex," MacRae said. "We do understand people want the answers and the big question here is why was it done or why weren't there charges and we understand that. We're not trying to deflect blame or not be accountable."

The teen's relatives said they hope their story helps families going through the same pain.

Her funeral will be Saturday, her mother said.
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sounds like she just got drunk and had sex, not raped (since even the police and crown didnt believe so)
The problem came from the photo of her puking while having sex, no doubt in a high school, heck any, environment a picture like that would get circulated and in a small town its no surprise that this was major news and she got a lot of flack about it.. undoubtedly too much and bitches will be bitches so the girls turned on her

such a shame RIP
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So if someone is at the point where they are puking during sex while people take photos of them, you don't consider that rape?
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sounds like she just got drunk and had sex, not raped (since even the police and crown didnt believe so)
The problem came from the photo of her puking while having sex, no doubt in a high school, heck any, environment a picture like that would get circulated and in a small town its no surprise that this was major news and she got a lot of flack about it.. undoubtedly too much and bitches will be bitches so the girls turned on her

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if i were the father i'd likely go postal and kill all the students
The police said there was not enough evidence. That does not mean they did not believe her. Also taking a nude photo of a minor and distributing it is illegal.
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So if someone is at the point where they are puking during sex while people take photos of them, you don't consider that rape?


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The police said there was not enough evidence. That does not mean they did not believe her. Also taking a nude photo of a minor and distributing it is illegal.
it means they don't believe her or else photos + her claims = charges; the fact remains is it's not rape at this point under the law the police and crown wont even make the accusation of rape in the form of charges you couldn't call it rape until someone is convicted

the way the story was presented and its content begs biased views as it draws upon emotions
as for your latter part i don't get why you included that? i never said otherwise about the distribution of photos being illegal/legal
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Read what you wrote:

"sounds like she just got drunk and had sex, not raped"

then

"The problem came from the photo of her puking while having sex"

So to you, a girl who is being fucked at a party while having photos taken of her, while puking, does not sound like rape

So again:
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Read what you wrote:

"sounds like she just got drunk and had sex, not raped"

then

"The problem came from the photo of her puking while having sex"

So to you, a girl who is being fucked at a party while having photos taken of her, while puking, does not sound like rape

So again:

Obviously it doesn't sound like rape to the police and crown council either...

as a family member i would yell and scream it was rape and demand justice and likely seek justice myself

but taking an unbiased view from it then, no. from whatever information was given to the public it doesn't sound like rape and obviously there must be more information that the police and crown have which led them to not even press charges
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And maybe that's a problem?
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And maybe that's a problem?
or maybe you've got to stop letting your emotions get in the way of believing without a doubt that this is rape and that those guys are guilty without a trial and take a look at the story again
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I can't say if it was or wasn't either. But it sure fucking "sounds like rape" to me.

The crown has to prove that it is beyond a doubt though, so "sounds like rape" isn't enough to convict.

Even to the judge it could "sound like rape" but with reasonable doubt, he can't convict. Only a fucking idiot would say "it doesn't sound like rape"
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no the crown doesnt have to prove "beyond a doubt" when pressing charges the crown has to prove "beyond a doubt" when seeking a conviction and if they won't even press charges when there's photo evidence and victim testimony that is extremely telling and leads one to believe that they don't even believe it to possibly be rape and i don't just say that 'willy nilly'
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Again, that's a problem, and why it's being covered by CNN

Not having enough evidence to press charges is not saying it "doesn't sound like rape".

It's not even about "believing her side of the story" or anything like that. It's the idea that a 15 year old girl being railed by 4 guys while puking from being so drunk somehow "doesn't sound like rape" to you. Like what is wrong with your head?
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like i said if i were her family member or father id hate the story and want to go out and kill everyone involved

but from what we've been told it doesn't sound like rape happened if you want it to sound like that sure i could see why you would think so after all that's what CNN is doing sensationalizing a story to bring out your emotions etc. but the facts say otherwise and you just can't seem to accept that

edit: if we were simply told there was a sexual incident with a few guys at a party and photos were taken of her puking during the sex/assault + her parents/her? saying she was raped then yes i'd say it sounds like rape too but we're also given the fact that crown and police investigated and they won't even press charges and that's what led me to say "it doesn't sound like she was"

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she was probably too drunk to give consent so thats rape
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So I thought i'd try to find a better article to read more on the story since CNNs wasn't really useful and given Skinnys shock of my conclusion I thought the better thing to do was read more about it before coming to a quick conclusion as i did.

here's little more in-depth article:
Rehtaeh Parsons suicide: Mother launches Facebook attack against those she blames | Canada | News | National Post

first the girls side of the story is she didn't remember much of anything but there was a picture of her puking while having sex

second it's the mom who alleged it was a sexual assault to the police

third the bullying issue seemed to have ended for quite awhile before the suicide however there was drug use and a rebellious attitude perhaps due to the bullying



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Rehtaeh’s Twitter account reflected mood swings but there was nothing in the past four months to suggest she felt under attack by her peers. In fact, she was often quick with an insult.

She did frequently refer to her use of marijuana and other drugs, posting photos of drug paraphernalia. In a self-portrait posted last month, she showed off the words “F— you” written in ink on her index finger.
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Stylin I'm not sure what crowd you hang around, but personally I don't know too many people who would consent to sex while they are puking with other people in the room taking photos.
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well we dont know the circumstances exactly we just know that a picture was taken of her puking out a window while having sex

was the photo taken by someone outside? or taken by the person having sex with her etc etc

were there other people in the room at the time? the mom alleges her daughter told her there may have been multiple people who had sex with her but the daughter also says she doesn't remember anything

obviously the police looked at it and they couldn't see pressing charges with all the evidence they had so i don't see how we could come to a different conclusion than they with even less information



Im trying to look at the situation with all the information we're given not just a mothers anguish and her allegations
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According to one of the articles, crown is going to consider looking at the case again. They will decide next week.
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Yeah the Justice minister initially said no and now he's changed his tune thanks to the media

we'll see how this turns out but given that crown decided against it the first time i really dont think they'll find anything new a year later, unless they press charges simply because of the reports (doubt it) or if a witness decides to do some confessing because of the suicide or someone who distributed photos gets charged

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I do hope charges will get laid. Couldn't imagine what the girl's family is going through.

But assuming the guy is the same age (17), he's not going to get more than a slap on the wrist.
Not sure what the photos look like, but if they're inconclusive, all the suspect has to do is keep his mouth shut and I doubt anything will (could) happen.
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Tragic story.

May the girl rest in peace and may her family find strength.

As for the perpetrators, hope they get what's comning to them, if they are guilty. I'm not going to draw any conclusions until more news and facts are presented. There's always more to the story. ATM, it sounds definitley like rape to me.

In any case, it is tragic.
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There is one thing that everyone needs to know about this case.

That High School is hell. It's a shit hole.

While I lived in NS, it was constantly on the news. Fights all the time-all split down racial lines. It doesn't surprise me a bit that out of all the schools she could have went to, and have problems, it would be that one.

If I had kids, and lived in that area of Dartmouth, I would do anything possible to move them to another school.

This is a sad case, and like so many others, I think there IS more to the sotry...but in my mind, I have no doubt that it was not consensual.
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stylinred - getting drunk and being taken advantage of by four men is rape. Rape doesn't have to mean fighting back, just inability to give permission

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yes... im well aware... but 1 its an allegation that four men had sex with her by the Mother the daughter said she can't remember anything but she thinks more than one guy had sex with her

the police obviously did their investigation... and in the end deemed that they couldn't even press charges... seriously im amazed at how clouded people become (the same ppl that tell the 911 truthers to "look at the facts")... let's just see what happens with a second look which looks like may happen

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