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Old 04-30-2013, 10:47 AM   #1
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Are sequential tail lights legal?

Thinking about installing these sequential tail lights.
Are they street legal in Vancouver BC ?
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2013 Mustangs come stock with sequential turn signals. I don't see why these wouldn't be.
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Was going to say the same thing as above, I see them on other cars as well installed aftermarket.
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In they go, thanks guys.
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Does it say DOT approved? If yes, legal. If no, not legal. Simple.

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Yes, the newer model Mustangs have them, but they are not exactly the same as the aftermarket units. The OEM mustang sequential lights are designed with several factors of visibility considered, and compatibility with Vehicle law requirements in Canada and the USA.

The aftermarket units might not meet these requirements. Seeing them installed on other cars does NOT mean it's legal, it just means someone is taking a risk.

If the lights do not meet any of the relevant requirements, they are not legal, and therefore you risk getting a Vehicle Inspection ordered. Even if the shop you use deems them legal, you may still get VI after VI from officers who don't believe they are legal.


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General lighting requirements
4.02

(1) A vehicle on a highway must only be equipped with and use lamps, reflectors or other illuminating devices authorized by this Division or authorized in writing by the director.

(2) A vehicle on a highway must be equipped with lamps equivalent to those provided by the original manufacturer in accordance with the requirements that applied under the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (Canada), or a predecessor to that Act, at the time of vehicle manufacture.

(3) All lamps, lamp bulbs and reflectors required or permitted by this Division must comply with
(a) the approved standards established by the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (Canada) and the applicable SAE standards,
(b) the conditions of use described in this Division, and
(c) the requirements of Table 1 of the Schedule to this Division.
(table 1 at bottom of this page: CanLII - Motor Vehicle Act Regulations, BC Reg 26/58, Division 1-4 )

(4) The function of 2 or more lamps or reflectors may be combined if each function meets the following requirements:
(a) no turn signal lamp may be combined optically with a stop lamp unless the stop lamp is extinguished when the turn signal is flashing;

(b) a clearance lamp must not be combined optically with a tail-lamp or identification lamp.

(5) The director may exempt vehicles or classes of vehicles from the requirements of this section.
[en. B.C. Reg. 476/98, s. 2; am. B.C. Reg. 135/2003, s. 1.]

Turn signal devices

4.13 (1) A vehicle may be equipped and mounted with

(a) a lamp type turn signal system, or
(b) a semaphore turn signal device,
functionally equivalent to original equipment supplied by the vehicle manufacturer or of a type or make approved by the director.

(2) A lamp type turn signal system must
(a) have 2 lamps, mounted on the front of the vehicle, that are capable of displaying flashes of white or amber light which are visible to the front,
(b) have 2 lamps, mounted on the rear of the vehicle, that are capable of displaying flashes of red or amber light which are visible to the rear,
(c) be visible on each side of the vehicle at a distance of 100 m in normal sunlight at an angle of 45 from the longitudinal axis of the vehicle, and
(d) include a tell-tale lamp which gives a clear indication that the system is activated.

(3) During the time specified in section 4.01, a semaphore turn signal device must be capable of illumination by light or reflection visible from a distance of 100 m.

(4) A public passenger vehicle or a commercial vehicle that weighs more than 4 500 kg may be equipped with supplementary turn signal lamps in addition to the turn signal system required by subsection (2).

(5) A turn signal lamp must be mounted on the vehicle at a height of not less than 38 cm and not more than 1.83 m.

(6) Subsection (5) does not apply to highway construction vehicles, maintenance vehicles, tow cars or vehicles being towed by a tow car.

(7) A vehicle which is being transported in a drive-away/tow-away operation, or is being towed by a tow car, must have turn signals that are synchronized with the turn signals of the towing vehicle when the tow vehicle turn signals are illuminated.

(8) Despite subsection (5), a tow car may be equipped with supplementary turn signal lamps mounted within the maximum allowable vehicle height (4.15 m) and as far forward as the rear of the cab.

(9) The centre of the front signal lamps must be at least 10 cm from the edge of the low beam headlamps
[en. B.C. Reg. 476/98, s. 2; am. B.C. Reg. 135/2003, s.1.]

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Was going to say the same thing as above, I see them on other cars as well installed aftermarket.
that doesn't matter.

because often times,
if it's not stock = illegal

some exotic cars come with 4.5 inch diameter exhaust, but if you put that on Civic, you'll get a ticket for it.

same goes with HIDs, coilovers, wheels, airbags, recaros, etc.
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Does it say DOT approved? If yes, legal. If no, not legal. Simple.

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isn't DOT only for the US?

because we have Transport Canada here.
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Does it say DOT approved? If yes, legal. If no, not legal. Simple.
Do you really think that stops people from modding their cars? lol
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isn't DOT only for the US?

because we have Transport Canada here.
That is right.

Also on 2013 Mustang GTs, there were no foglights in the grille for 2013, but moved to the bumper because of Transport Canada.

The Ford GT(Supercar) had different bumpers in Canada and the USA because of Transport Canada.
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I don't see why these wouldn't be.
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I see them on other cars as well installed aftermarket.

Not at all how that works. Police forum advice at it's finest.


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In they go, thanks guys.

It will be very evident to a peace officer that you have aftermarket taillight bulbs, if not because of the sequential turn signal which wasn't factory offered until recently but because they will "will look up to five times brighter than stock lights". I can pretty much guarantee that they aren't legal, but like most of the dubious modifications done by people here, will likely not become an issue unless you drive like a d-bag or have other modifications done to the vehicle. I went three years without a front license plate without being ticketed by not driving like an a-hole around town but I was under no illusions that what I was doing is illegal. Same situation. Go ahead and install it but don't cry to us if you get VI'd for it.
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Go ahead and install it but don't cry to us if you get VI'd for it.

Dammit! You're no fun at all, i'm telling LE you told me to do it.



The stock lights are hard to see in full sunlight.
First VI, if, and it's back to stock.
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Do you really think that stops people from modding their cars? lol
What is your point? He asked about legality, not if he should mod his car or not. DOT is the standard used here as well.

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What is your point? He asked about legality, not if he should mod his car or not. DOT is the standard used here as well.

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not so.
DOT(Department of Transportation) is US only.

BC Ministry of Transportation
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not so.
DOT(Department of Transportation) is US only.
Doesn't mean DOT certification isn't accepted in Canada.

http://www.revscene.net/forums/59431...ut-lights.html
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They came stock on 1965 Thunderbirds, if you really want them, risk it.
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They came stock on 1965 Thunderbirds, if you really want them, risk it.

I also believe that the 1967 Cougar also had them, if I recall correctly. Ford was marketing the Cougar as kind of a Mustang/TBird cross and combined some of the features.
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Keep in mind guys, all these cars with sequential tail lights, do it with multiple bulbs in multiple sockets... what you're talking about here is essentially one big fancy "bulb". It's not the same thing, and you can't say that just because cars X, Y and Z have it, means that this thing is legal.

Doesn't mean it isn't, either... just saying it's apples and kumquats.

Also, remember that the proper REFLECTORS in your light fixtures are a LEGAL REQUIREMENT. Whether this LED thing is legal on its own, if it's blocking the reflectors, then you may have an issue.
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The stock lights are hard to see in full sunlight.
First VI, if, and it's back to stock.
Cars of this vintage are usually generally given a bit more lee-way. The MVA was probably a bit more open 50 years ago...
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Do you really think that stops people from modding their cars? lol
Would fail if I could. As Berz said, the question was is it legal, not do people do it...
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