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Nvasion 04-30-2013 10:00 PM

RIP

OGCStrike 04-30-2013 10:17 PM

RIP

dee242 04-30-2013 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by daytona675 (Post 8225685)
at least they died instantly. RIP.

In this case, I could imagine the pilots yell, ENGINEER MORE POWER! BUT NO RESERVE POWER available :(

might have died instantly but probably shit themselves before they did

twitchyzero 04-30-2013 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by LiquidTurbo (Post 8225629)

Sad to just see 7 lives vaporize like that.

relevant


rslater 04-30-2013 10:33 PM

Could someone explain what they mean by a stall? Curious what happened but I dont really understand.

Lomac 04-30-2013 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by rslater (Post 8225845)
Could someone explain what they mean by a stall? Curious what happened but I dont really understand.

Stall (flight) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

vantrip 04-30-2013 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rslater (Post 8225845)
Could someone explain what they mean by a stall? Curious what happened but I dont really understand.

Did you try goggling it? :suspicious:

GabAlmighty 04-30-2013 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rslater (Post 8225845)
Could someone explain what they mean by a stall? Curious what happened but I dont really understand.

Not enough airflow over the wing, center of pressure moves forward, once critical angle is attained, center of pressure moves rapidly back, plane falls on its face

SpartanAir 04-30-2013 11:28 PM

I'm also shocked that the guy recording the video had no reaction whatsoever to a plane falling out of the sky and exploding in front of him at 0:23, until 1:15 when he says "oh, fuck".

How does one stay totally silent when you see that??

LiquidTurbo 04-30-2013 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SpartanAir (Post 8225879)
I'm also shocked that the guy recording the video had no reaction whatsoever to a plane falling out of the sky and exploding in front of him at 0:23, until 1:15 when he says "oh, fuck".

How does one stay totally silent when you see that??

Ever heard of shock?

LiquidTurbo 04-30-2013 11:32 PM

Saw this posted on FB about it.. very relevant..

"Whatever industry you are in, please take your job seriously and take responsibility because it costs people's lives and there's nothing you can do to bring them back..."

Infiniti 05-01-2013 12:37 AM

little to no chance of recovery from that stall

Phuck Yu 05-01-2013 12:46 AM

god bless Afghanistan

Verdasco 05-01-2013 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpartanAir (Post 8225879)
I'm also shocked that the guy recording the video had no reaction whatsoever to a plane falling out of the sky and exploding in front of him at 0:23, until 1:15 when he says "oh, fuck".

How does one stay totally silent when you see that??

everyone is different. They react different in situations.... for ex. (girls scream and shit :rukidding: )

CP.AR 05-01-2013 01:26 AM

That's one nasty ass stall...
but how the hell do you bleed off your airspeed like that?
Bad CofG, shifting cargo?

Nasty stall near the ground, turns into a wing drop. and boom goes the dynamite

nekthx 05-02-2013 02:42 PM

maybe a Vx climb? in hot and humid loaded heavy?
poorly loaded with aft CofG? then a cargo shift.

Kidnapman 05-02-2013 03:04 PM

Shit, I haven't seen a stall that bad since I last played Flight Sim flying over South America.

godwin 05-02-2013 03:09 PM

They were carrying MRAPs apparently one of the tie downs failed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amuro Ray (Post 8225964)
That's one nasty ass stall...
but how the hell do you bleed off your airspeed like that?
Bad CofG, shifting cargo?

Nasty stall near the ground, turns into a wing drop. and boom goes the dynamite


lowside67 05-02-2013 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by vantrip (Post 8225853)
Did you try goggling it? :suspicious:

I tried googling the word goggling but couldn't find anything relevant... :suspicious:

godwin 05-02-2013 04:14 PM

Lets get AppleDaily to explain:

http://www.liveleak.com/ll_embed?f=0b0b6d5eec4e

GoneGuru 05-02-2013 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by lowside67 (Post 8227272)
I tried googling the word goggling but couldn't find anything relevant... :suspicious:

Dunno what you're talking about, worked for me. Maybe you should learn how to google...:troll:

http://i39.tinypic.com/264j3nr.png

JSS 05-04-2013 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by GabAlmighty (Post 8225582)
Are you kidding me? He held the stall until he got a wing drop, that's pretty impressive considering the stick shaker comes on so early in that plane.

Tell us more about how you would have handled it right after rotation mr. expert pilot?

Quote:

Originally Posted by rslater (Post 8225845)
Could someone explain what they mean by a stall? Curious what happened but I dont really understand.

take your index finger and point it straight up, balance a ruler on it and pretend theyre wings... imagen the airflow with forward moment is providing lift to your wings ... hypothetically everthing is in balance... now your finger and your wings are in equilibrium... move your finger backwards on the axis of what would be the planes fuselage and your gonna need more weight toward teh front to keep it balanced...
move it backwards and vice versa......
put all the weight to the back without being able to thrust forward enough for your wings to continue providing lift = stall.

i hope that makes sense.
thats really the simplest way i can explain c of g... maybe the expert pilot guy can explain it better than me.

Ulic Qel-Droma 05-04-2013 07:35 AM

lol the easiest way to explain a stall without getting all scientific is this:

when you make a crappy paper airplane, the kind where when you throw it, it automatically flies upward.

it flies upward and "loses power", and then it just kinda nose dives and crashes.

that's a stall.


so my question is... if you have thrust vectoring, isn't it a lot harder to "stall"? since you can just go full power and the computer can auto adjust it and just "balance" as you slowly descend facing upward lol.

CP.AR 05-04-2013 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ulic Qel-Droma (Post 8228804)
lol the easiest way to explain a stall without getting all scientific is this:

when you make a crappy paper airplane, the kind where when you throw it, it automatically flies upward.

it flies upward and "loses power", and then it just kinda nose dives and crashes.

that's a stall.


so my question is... if you have thrust vectoring, isn't it a lot harder to "stall"? since you can just go full power and the computer can auto adjust it and just "balance" as you slowly descend facing upward lol.

A stalled condition is a reference to the airfoil and the relative airflow.
If you have thrust vectoring and you are dependent on the thrust to keep you afloat (like a hovering Harrier), the wings are technically stalled beyond anything since the angle of attack to the relative airflow is greater than 15 degrees (15 degrees is generally accepted as the critical angle of attack)

If the wing isn't creating any lift, and if the angle of attack is greater than 15 then the airfoil is said to be in a stalled condition
:accepted:

Once you stall a swept wing aircraft your chances of recovery are pretty much close to zero unless you have heaps of power. They simply aren't designed to fly at low speed.

GabAlmighty 05-07-2013 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JSS (Post 8228798)
Tell us more about how you would have handled it right after rotation mr. expert pilot?

Well when you rotate in that plane you go to about 18* nose up a rate of about 3*/sec. Once it started going past that you start pushing the nose over, you know that thing you do to break a stall? That being said, if the cargo shifted so bad that no amount of forward pressure could break the stall then he was simply sol from the begginning.


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