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Old 11-25-2013, 12:46 PM   #6626
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The Canucks didn't touch the puck with too many players on the ice. So it is not a penalty, luckily.
pretty sure that was just a missed call. The touched puck is more of a factor during line changes at the bench where guys are going back and others are jumping on.

When you clearly have 6 guys in the zone playing for the puck, its too many men, even if you don't touch the puck.
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pretty sure that was just a missed call. The touched puck is more of a factor during line changes at the bench where guys are going back and others are jumping on.

When you clearly have 6 guys in the zone playing for the puck, its too many men, even if you don't touch the puck.
Official Rules - Rule 74: Too Many Men on the Ice - NHL.com - Rules

Interesting. You are correct sir.
I always read it as long as they didn't touch the puck then it was ok, but according to rule 74.1, it should have been called as too many men.
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Old 11-25-2013, 12:53 PM   #6629
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Yeah, I think the tv/radio commentators make a big fuss about it because usually too many men and puck touches are caught during sloppy/slow line changes.

Otherwise, you could have 10 guys on the ice defending and not 'touching' the puck
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Don't forget the play in the first period where he was standing still with the puck in the corner of their own end and had the puck picked from his stick which resulted in a good scoring chance.
Yeah that might be the same play I was talking about. Either way, he totally screwed up and I immediately thought that would be his last shift!
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I am disappointed in how Aquilini chose to hire Gillis, a player agent, to be the Canucks GM. He had no relevant work experience as a GM in the first place.
His hiring decision is like giving the reins of power over a corporation to a 7 Eleven manager.

You cannot have on the job training to be a NHL GM. That's what Gillis is doing now.
No OJT!

Yes, he helped this team reach game 7 of the Stanley Cup
Finals a few years ago. However, his record
in drafting and trading players is sub par:

Traded Samuelson for an injury prone David Booth

Signs Luongo to a huge contract which makes it hard for the Canucks for players who can help
the team now. Trades a good young goalie
away for draft prospects instead.


Trades Hodgson for a third line winger in Kassian. A player who
produce little offence and is a defensive liability. It's Gillis and also Av's fault for managing
Hodgson's off ice issues in a bad way.

Acquires Keith Ballard who did not fit in with AV's system.

Drafts players like Schroeder who have had no impact on the team.

I point the finger at Gillis and ultimately Aquilini for the mediocre team that we have now.

MG is the main reason this team is not a Cup contender now.
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I stand by my last post about MG. We have one of the most sub par GM's in the league right now.
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was mg the reason the canucks were cup contenders in 2011? it goes both ways...

patience is the key here...people get their panties all riled up when this team loses...
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Patience? This team has not advanced past the first round of the playoffs for the past two seasons.

How much longer do we have to wait for more post season success?
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Lets face it, MG doesn't put pucks in the net....
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Patience? This team has not advanced past the first round of the playoffs for the past two seasons.

How much longer do we have to wait for more post season success?
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I'm going to rebut every single point you made, its the same arguments over and over again. I'm not going to say MG has made no mistakes and is the best GM in the league, but he has done well to keep the team competitive despite some hard luck. You don't make a change for the sake of makign a change, it needs to help the team. But it's not the doom and gloom that you make it out to be either. For somebody who's followed the team this long, you seem to have forgotten the years where the Canucks were just absolutely horrible. To even be a cup contender for 3-4 years, at least on paper, is a pretty nice treat in this league of parity. And only 1/30 teams win the Cup every year, doesn't matter if you can contend for 10 straight years its still pretty easy to not win it (see San Jose), you need to be reasonably lucky no matter how stacked your roster is.

-this 7/11 manager won NHL manager of the year in 2011, no accident

-Booth was not 'injury prone' prior to coming; he had a concussion yes, but many players have successfully come back from far worse concussions. Samuelsson was not performing up to par. Hey, let's bring up Mason Raymond while we're at it, wouldn't 8g and 9a so far this season look pretty good for the Canucks

-if Lu didn't get his 12 year contract, MG would have had to offer him 7-8M/yr which would have destroyed his ability to fit other players in under the cap

-traded Schneider away because nobody would be willing to take on the NEW cba salary cap rules surrounding Lu's contract when he retires. You think Schneider would have made this team a contender?

-Hodgson: you think he would have realistically said yes to playing 3rd line center for the next 4 seasons at the time of his trade? And he makes 4M+/yr this season and the next 5. Kassian hasn't panned out yet, I'd be surprised if he makes more than 2M next season but he can be a serviceable winger in the mean time. They are trying to make him learn the tough lessons right now

-Ballard was acquired before Hamhuis signed; had Hamhuis not signed our blueline would have been thin. Ballard was also an established top 4 d-man at the time, maybe even a top pairing d-man

-70% of players drafted in the first round don't make any difference for their team; so Schroeder being a lower first rounder, odds aren't great for him anyways

To quote Bryz, don't be so mad, its just a game. Maybe Mike Keenan is looking for a job?
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said it before, in the "new" nhl it takes cup contenders awhile to be able to get back, due to the salary cap. this is especially true when they don't have young talent locked up for years like chi and bos do, or talent in the system like the previous 2 teams do. kinda surprised a lot of you don't realize this. next year is when the canucks should have a better push with the realistic possibility of younger players who can produce entering the lineup(horvat,gaunce). the greater picture is the year after that, when we should be able to trade a dman for a decent player and bring up corrado + maybe jensen/shinkaruk being ready. gillis has done a good job, he got the team to the finals, keeping the team competitive while being able to find prospects and restock the cupboards(imo we were probably one of the worst teams when it came to this)
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I am disappointed in how Aquilini chose to hire Gillis, a player agent, to be the Canucks GM. He had no relevant work experience as a GM in the first place.
His hiring decision is like giving the reins of power over a corporation to a 7 Eleven manager.

You cannot have on the job training to be a NHL GM. That's what Gillis is doing now.
No OJT!

Yes, he helped this team reach game 7 of the Stanley Cup
Finals a few years ago. However, his record
in drafting and trading players is sub par:

Traded Samuelson for an injury prone David Booth

Signs Luongo to a huge contract which makes it hard for the Canucks for players who can help
the team now. Trades a good young goalie
away for draft prospects instead.


Trades Hodgson for a third line winger in Kassian. A player who
produce little offence and is a defensive liability. It's Gillis and also Av's fault for managing
Hodgson's off ice issues in a bad way.

Acquires Keith Ballard who did not fit in with AV's system.

Drafts players like Schroeder who have had no impact on the team.

I point the finger at Gillis and ultimately Aquilini for the mediocre team that we have now.

MG is the main reason this team is not a Cup contender now.
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I am disappointed in how Aquilini chose to hire Gillis, a player agent, to be the Canucks GM. He had no relevant work experience as a GM in the first place.
His hiring decision is like giving the reins of power over a corporation to a 7 Eleven manager.
Let's dwell on an event that happened 6 years ago ... that marked the beginning of the best 6 years in franchise history

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No OJT!
That's what Gillis was doing 5 years ago. He has more GM experience than 1/3 of the league now.

Where else do you get GM experience? Is there a GM prep school that one needs to enroll in?

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Yes, he helped this team reach game 7 of the Stanley Cup
Finals a few years ago. However, his record in drafting and trading players is sub par:

Traded Samuelson for an injury prone David Booth
Samuelsson has played fewer games and produced less than Booth since the trade.

Booth was coming off an 82-game, 23-goal campaign and the Canucks were well aware that Samuelsson had a serious injury that would cost him much of the season.

Would you like to lend MG your crystal ball for future trades?

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Signs Luongo to a huge contract which makes it hard for the Canucks for players who can help the team now.
Luongo's contract allowed for the Canucks to load up for the 2010-2011 season. You know, that year they almost won the cup? But I guess a $7M cap hit on a shorter term and a first round exit would've been better.

Luongo also reportedly turned down a trade to Toronto because he wanted to go to Florida.

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Trades a good young goalie away for draft prospects instead.
The league painted the Canucks into a corner 3 years after the deal was signed. The Canucks got a top 10 pick is a good draft.


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produce little offence and is a defensive liability. It's Gillis and also Av's fault for managing Hodgson's off ice issues in a bad way.
Trades Hodgson, a 3rd line center, for a 3rd line winger in Kassian.

Hodgson: 9 ES points in 377.5 ES TOI (1 point every 42 minutes of ES TOI)
Kassian: 6 ES points in 242.25 ES TOI (1 point every 40 minutes of ES TOI)

That's while Hodgson has played with Vanek/Moulson and Ennis/Ott while Kassian has played with Richardson and random 4th line winger (Sestito, Archibald, etc.)

Hmmmm .... But Golden Boy Hodgson must be better than Kassian because ... You know ...

Hodgson is as bad as Kassian defensively.

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Acquires Keith Ballard who did not fit in with AV's system.
And we would know that from the past experience that Ballard had with AV prior to the trade?

Ballard and Ehrhoff both played very similar games for their previous teams, both had similar physiques. Why was one clearly better than the other under AV? Because AV and Bowness tried to change how Ballard played the game.

Also, if you weren't aware, AV approved of the trade at the time as well.

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Drafts players like Schroeder who have had no impact on the team.
He played 3/4 of the season last year with the Canucks, producing 9 points (pace for 24 points) on the 4th line. He was injured this year. Apparently injuries are an excuse for Hodgson, but not anyone else.

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Maybe you should make several hundred million, buy the team, and run it yourself with your crystal ball.

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All of you guys make valid points against my post.
-need to be really patient as a Canucks fan. -like wait 5, 10 years or even longer for this team to get back to playing hockey in June.
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